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.............................in your opinion
Kind of like its your opinion that George Bush hates blacks?
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.............................in your opinion
Prove it wrong!
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Bush does - you only have to look at the lack of response to katrina to know that.
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............................in your opinion.
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katrina proved it.
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After watching the media reports and such for the past few weeks I came away with a view that I do not like. `It is going to be really hard to point the finger at anybody.An important note here.The Feds can not send federal troops into a state without being asked. It is illegal to do so. And the governor was slow to ask. But let's talk about personal responsibility here. The poor and old were vulnerable. That is a given fact. Where were the neighbors that lived there? Why didn't more of them help the poor and old?? What saddens me after watching this was how too few of the victims stepped up to a leadership role. The Superdome incidents were an example. Granted the people were faced with a problem. But they compounded it by expecting someone to take care of them. I read reports where the Superdome was filthy. Did it have to be that way to the degree it was???
But even more then that... We have known of N.O.'s vulnerability to wild winds and floods for decades.It's common knowledge. And why is it my responsibility as a taxpayer to keep sending funds to the area for levee improvement's when the local politicians pocket it ??? It was their choice to build a city in a delta. It was their decision to live there. And Katrina just proved it was a bad decision on their part.
After watching all the reports I have come to the conclusion that the Feds or State governemnt did not fail . What failed was the human race when they did not step up to help a fellow human. We are closer to the apes then we want to believe.
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After watching the media reports and such for the past few weeks I came away with a view that I do not like. `It is going to be really hard to point the finger at anybody.An important note here.The Feds can not send federal troops into a state without being asked. It is illegal to do so. And the governor was slow to ask. But let's talk about personal responsibility here. The poor and old were vulnerable. That is a given fact. Where were the neighbors that lived there? Why didn't more of them help the poor and old?? What saddens me after watching this was how too few of the victims stepped up to a leadership role. The Superdome incidents were an example. Granted the people were faced with a problem. But they compounded it by expecting someone to take care of them. I read reports where the Superdome was filthy. Did it have to be that way to the degree it was???
But even more then that... We have known of N.O.'s vulnerability to wild winds and floods for decades.It's common knowledge. And why is it my responsibility as a taxpayer to keep sending funds to the area for levee improvement's when the local politicians pocket it ??? It was their choice to build a city in a delta. It was their decision to live there. And Katrina just proved it was a bad decision on their part.
After watching all the reports I have come to the conclusion that the Feds or State governemnt did not fail . What failed was the human race when they did not step up to help a fellow human. We are closer to the apes then we want to believe.
I was away in Europe during and after Katrina - and unless there is a vast international conspiracy, all of the media I saw (in three different countries) showed different shots of people of the same colour left stranded.
Invariably they were black people.

The media, across all genre, reported that the Louisiana state authorities did request assistance from Federal goverment prior to Katrina hitting land.
So either that is a lie or it isn't.
if it is a lie - and Louisiana didn't request help - then the international media has been played for fools.

yes, I am all for people fending for themselves.
yes, I am all for personal responsibility.
But none of this can cloud the fact that the US goverment willfully chose not
to assist Lousiana in time.
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yes, I am all for personal responsibility.
No you're all about pointing fingers and blaming others.

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But none of this can cloud the fact that the US goverment willfully chose not to assist Lousiana in time.
Did your media report that Bush urged a mandatory evacuation from New Orleans before the hurricane? Did your media report that the mayor didn't use the city and school buses at his disposal to evacuate the poor?
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No you're all about pointing fingers and blaming others.


Did your media report that Bush urged a mandatory evacuation from New Orleans before the hurricane? Did your media report that the mayor didn't use the city and school buses at his disposal to evacuate the poor?
The media - in three different European countries where I travelled to on business during katrina - showed black, poor and old people stranded.

That's what the media in three separate countries showed.
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The media - in three different European countries where I travelled to on business during katrina - showed black, poor and old people stranded.

That's what the media in three separate countries showed.
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Did your media report that Bush urged a mandatory evacuation from New Orleans before the hurricane? Did your media report that the mayor didn't use the city and school buses at his disposal to evacuate the poor?

So obviously your media didn't report all the facts?
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Did your media report that Bush urged a mandatory evacuation from New Orleans before the hurricane? Did your media report that the mayor didn't use the city and school buses at his disposal to evacuate the poor?

So obviously your media didn't report all the facts?
The media did show people - black, old, poor people - stranded in NO and other locations in Louisiana during Katrina.
The media also reported that Bush was in texas on his holidays immediately prior to Katrina.
The media reported that the Govenor requested PRIOR to Katrina, help from Federal goverment.

That was what was reported by the media in three separate countries.
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For the first time, George Bush yesterday explicitly took responsibility for shortcomings in the federal response to Hurricane Katrina.
Speaking at a press conference at the White House, President Bush said that it had "exposed serious problems in our response capability at all levels of government".
"And to the extent the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility," Mr Bush said. "I want to know what went wrong or what went right ... It's in our national interest that we find out exactly what went on so we can better respond. I'm not going to defend the process going in but I am going to defend the people on the ground saving lives."
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The media did show people - black, old, poor people - stranded in NO and other locations in Louisiana during Katrina.
The media also reported that Bush was in texas on his holidays immediately prior to Katrina.
The media reported that the Govenor requested PRIOR to Katrina, help from Federal goverment.

That was what was reported by the media in three separate countries.
Then they didn't report that Bush urged a mandatory evacuation. They also failed to report that the mayor didn't use the assets that were at his command and use.
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Then they didn't report that Bush urged a mandatory evacuation.
Just to be clear, the only record of Bush urging a mandatory evacuation comes from what Gov. Blanco said during the press conference (to announce the evacuation) on the morning of Sunday, Aug. 28:

Blanco: "I want to reiterate what the mayor has said. This is a very dangerous time. Just before we walked into this room, President Bush called and told me to share with all of you that he is very concerned about the citizens. He is concerned about the impact that this hurricane would have on our people. And he asked me to please ensure that there would be a mandatory evacuation of New Orleans."

The AP then reported:

"Gov. Kathleen Blanco, standing beside the mayor at a news conference, said President Bush called and personally appealed for a mandatory evacuation for the low-lying city, which is prone to flooding."

The AP article omits the point that Bush called Blanco at about 9:00am, after the press conference was already called.

Apparently, CNN took it even further:

"Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said that it was President Bush that had called and urged the state to order the evacuation."
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