Mel Gibsons True Colors? - Page 2

Carrera · #16 08-02.-2006

If it's genuine, then I think the situation should be dropped and then he can get on with his career. Seems to me reminiscent of the time John Lennon said the Beatles were more popular than Jesus Christ and that caused some waves in the Southern States.

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Originally Posted by lwedge

Wow! Well done. I hope this is from the heart and not just a collaborative PR from Mel and a Hollywood spin-doctor.

lw

**jhuskey** · #17 08-02.-2006

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Originally Posted by limerickman

The papers said that Cruises baby is 3 months old - and has never been seen publicly!

And with a little luck it never will be.

ryan_velo. · #18 08-02.-2006

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Originally Posted by davidmc

Arrested for a potentially dangerous crime is bad enough but to then go on to expel a litany of unprovoked, anti-semitic remarks begs the question: is he an anti-semite/bigot

http://www.slate.com/id/2146880/?GT1=8483

I really dislike Mel Gibson, I think he sucks, but mad max was pretty good

MountainPro · #19 08-03.-2006

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Originally Posted by ryan_velo.

I really dislike Mel Gibson, I think he sucks, but mad max was pretty good

he is arguable the most famous actor in hollywood. Anti Semitic views would really have gotten in the way of his career in the early days...

so what if he offends people now.

people are always gonna say, yeah Lethal Weapon etc. was a great movie...and move on.

a lot of people hold personal beliefs either at work, or in politics or in music and never say it because it may harm thier career or public standing...when you are as rich as MG, you can say what the hell you want.

**jhuskey** · #20 08-03.-2006

Mel is a great actor,off his rocker a bit ,but so are a lot of people.

Carrera · #21 08-03.-2006

His view that Jews are behind all wars (expressed after an alcoholic binge) seems a bit unfair to me. I mean, come on! What about the Japanese and the way they treated allied POW's in WW2 and how they treated the Chinese?
Israel doesn't have that kind of human rights record on its conscience.
You could successfully argue that Jews did have something to do with global communism seeing as Lenin and trotsky were both Jewish but, even in that case, communism came from the Greeks and the first neo-communist in Russia was Tolstoy. The you have Marx who was German.
By the same token, it would also be unfair to say that all Moslems are extremists and any public figure who made such a comment should likewise apologise.

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Originally Posted by jhuskey

Mel is a great actor,off his rocker a bit ,but so are a lot of people.

2FAST4U · #22 08-03.-2006

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Originally Posted by Carrera

His view that Jews are behind all wars (expressed after an alcoholic binge) seems a bit unfair to me. I mean, come on! What about the Japanese and the way they treated allied POW's in WW2 and how they treated the Chinese?
Israel doesn't have that kind of human rights record on its conscience.
You could successfully argue that Jews did have something to do with global communism seeing as Lenin and trotsky were both Jewish but, even in that case, communism came from the Greeks and the first neo-communist in Russia was Tolstoy. The you have Marx who was German.
By the same token, it would also be unfair to say that all Moslems are extremists and any public figure who made such a comment should likewise apologise.

I find it amusing that there are people here that are so pissed off at Mel Gibson (Trust me, I’m not taking up for the guy) but…These same people are not as upset as some TERROR GROUPS or ….uh, the bozo from Iran for all the threats he has made towards the Hebrew people. Let me think who is more dangerous…A middle age alcoholic actor or a leader of a country with the firepower to back up his threats…I mean what is Mel going to do…vomit them to death???? Tell stupid jokes? Steal their lampshades????

**jhuskey** · #23 08-03.-2006

Actor,Definition:

1. performer in plays: somebody who acts in plays, movies, or television

2. somebody who pretends: somebody who pretends to be somebody else or to feel something so as to impress or deceive

Not to be confused with someone that has informed political views or should be taken seriously and has a valuable perspective on real life .
For entertainment purposes only. Like the internet.

2FAST4U · #24 08-03.-2006

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Originally Posted by jhuskey

Actor,Definition:

1. performer in plays: somebody who acts in plays, movies, or television

MEL GIBSON

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2. somebody who pretends: somebody who pretends to be somebody else or to feel something so as to impress or deceive

Wurm

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Not to be confused with someone that has informed political views or should be taken seriously and has a valuable perspective on real life .
For entertainment purposes only. Like the internet.

Me

hmmm...Hey did I pass the test?

darkboong · #25 08-03.-2006

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Originally Posted by 2FAST4U

[font=Times New Roman][size=3]I find it amusing that there are people here that are so pissed off at Mel Gibson (Trust me, I’m not taking up for the guy) but…

Can't say that I am too bothered by Melly being Smelly.

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Originally Posted by 2FAST4U

These same people are not as upset as some TERROR GROUPS or ….uh, the bozo from Iran for all the threats he has made towards the Hebrew people.

Prove it.

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Originally Posted by 2FAST4U

Let me think who is more dangerous…A middle age alcoholic actor or a leader of a country with the firepower to back up his threats…

Fair point. Let's have a quick review of the situation.

"we're going to turn Lebanon back into what it was 20 years ago," - Dan Halutz - Chief of Staff (IDF)

"According to Israeli army radio on July 24, he ordered the destruction of 10 multistory buildings in the Shiite-inhabited suburbs of Beirut for every rocket hitting Haifa." - referring to Dan Halutz

900 dead Lebanese civillians, $2bn of infrastructure damage, 1 million new refugees (25% of the population of Lebanon), and a colony of green turtles say that Dan Halutz and Ehud Olmert are far more dangerous than Mel Gibson or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. It would be nice if I could put Halutz and Olmert into the big mouth no trousers category along with Mel Gibson and the Iranian President.

The record has to go to Tony Blair and George Bush though, GWB called for a "crusade", Tony waved his Bent as a Nine Bob Note Dossier, and lo and behold a few hundred thousand victims later there is full blown civil war going on in Iraq and Afghanistan.

As a sideline to their multi-million civillian murder & refugee rap Tony Blair and GWB fly big bombs to their chums Olmert and Halutz so they can make more refugees, kill more civillians, blow up more bridges, airports, docks, hospitals, petrol stations, and Dan's personal favourite : Multistory appartment blocks.

In a civilised society that lot would be confined to solitary confinement in a padded cell until they died.

Carrera · #26 08-04.-2006

I think when I slip up, it's not so bad. I can afford to make slips - hell, I'm just a cyclist with an opinion. Mel Gibson, however, has a fantastic, multimillion dollar career and he can't afford to stereotype.
I only just corrected a girlfriend in America when she talked about America vs the Moslems. This is the same mistake Mel Gibson made. There are thousands of Moslems who don't believe in any violence or mixing religion with violence. It would be just as much a mistake to tar all Moslems with the same brush. It's unfair to to generalise about Jews as Mel did. Besides, one of the most radical ant-Lebanon war protesters we have in the Government over here is Jewish - the guy they kicked out of Parliament not too long ago.
In short - people are people.
Still, Mel Gibson made a sincere apology and I think he should be allowed to move on and get on with his life.
As for Iran, I heard the other day they had directly threatened the U.S. and are certainly making a lot of noise. I saw shots of them burning Amnerican and Jewish flags. Then on ABC news I heard many American churches believe it's Armageddon coming.

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Originally Posted by 2FAST4U

I find it amusing that there are people here that are so pissed off at Mel Gibson (Trust me, I’m not taking up for the guy) but…These same people are not as upset as some TERROR GROUPS or ….uh, the bozo from Iran for all the threats he has made towards the Hebrew people. Let me think who is more dangerous…A middle age alcoholic actor or a leader of a country with the firepower to back up his threats…I mean what is Mel going to do…vomit them to death???? Tell stupid jokes? Steal their lampshades????

Carrera · #27 08-04.-2006

"According to Israeli army radio on July 24, he ordered the destruction of 10 multistory buildings in the Shiite-inhabited suburbs of Beirut for every rocket hitting Haifa." - referring to Dan Halutz."

Mel Gibson did that??? Now I'm really getting confused.

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Originally Posted by darkboong

Can't say that I am too bothered by Melly being Smelly.

Prove it.

Fair point. Let's have a quick review of the situation.

"we're going to turn Lebanon back into what it was 20 years ago," - Dan Halutz - Chief of Staff (IDF)

"According to Israeli army radio on July 24, he ordered the destruction of 10 multistory buildings in the Shiite-inhabited suburbs of Beirut for every rocket hitting Haifa." - referring to Dan Halutz

900 dead Lebanese civillians, $2bn of infrastructure damage, 1 million new refugees (25% of the population of Lebanon), and a colony of green turtles say that Dan Halutz and Ehud Olmert are far more dangerous than Mel Gibson or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. It would be nice if I could put Halutz and Olmert into the big mouth no trousers category along with Mel Gibson and the Iranian President.

The record has to go to Tony Blair and George Bush though, GWB called for a "crusade", Tony waved his Bent as a Nine Bob Note Dossier, and lo and behold a few hundred thousand victims later there is full blown civil war going on in Iraq and Afghanistan.

As a sideline to their multi-million civillian murder & refugee rap Tony Blair and GWB fly big bombs to their chums Olmert and Halutz so they can make more refugees, kill more civillians, blow up more bridges, airports, docks, hospitals, petrol stations, and Dan's personal favourite : Multistory appartment blocks.

In a civilised society that lot would be confined to solitary confinement in a padded cell until they died.

Carrera · #28 08-04.-2006

A very true comment I reproduce:
"For centuries, Jews were viewed as sinister wandering rootless cosmopolitan figures of no national allegiance. So they became a conventional sovereign state and now they’re hated for that. The standard defense is that it’s not anti-Semitic to criticize Israeli policies, but, as Miss Campbell’s letter suggests, what’s being questioned is not Israel’s policies but the right of Israel to have policies, especially on national security. If, say, some fellows in Mexico had kidnapped California State Troopers and were lobbing rockets randomly into residential areas of San Diego and Los Angeles, even La-La-Land libs would be demanding the US respond. It’s only the Israelis the world wishes to deny the conventional rights of sovereignty. In other words, it’s the legitimacy of the state that’s at issue. In effect, Israel has become the geopolitical version of the European Jew who’s allowed to operate a store in the town but not to exercise full ownership rights: in the old days, Jews faced property restrictions; now they face sovereignty restrictions."

darkboong · #29 08-04.-2006

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Originally Posted by Carrera

A very true comment I reproduce:
"Miss Campbell’s letter suggests, what’s being questioned is not Israel’s policies but the right of Israel to have policies, especially on national security.

Absolute tosh. The point is that no government has the moral right to attack civillians indiscriminately. I do not see any reason see why Israel should have a uniquely moral right to murder civillians.

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Originally Posted by Carrera

If, say, some fellows in Mexico had kidnapped California State Troopers and were lobbing rockets randomly into residential areas of San Diego and Los Angeles, even La-La-Land libs would be demanding the US respond.

That isn't how it has panned out though is it Crappy ? The actual order of events is that Hezbollah took two soldiers prisoner, Israel retaliated by killing a few dozen civillians, destroying an airport, fuel depots, bridges and a power station. A full day passed before the rockets started flying into Israel.

Also it's worth noting that the Israeli soliders were actually caught as they were *retreating* after a botched raid on Lebanon. The IDF have bragged about their commando raids on Lebanon on several occasions. Hell they have even shelled UNIFIL observation posts as a matter of routine, have you even bothered to look at the number of casualties that UNIFIL have reported and where the fire came from on each occasion ?

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Originally Posted by Carrera

It’s only the Israelis the world wishes to deny the conventional rights of sovereignty.

Untrue. That said Isarel is denying the conventional rights of sovereignty to the Palestinians. We are seeing a classic example of paranoia and projection here.

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Originally Posted by Carrera

In other words, it’s the legitimacy of the state that’s at issue.

I think that question is at the back of her mind more than mine.

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Originally Posted by Carrera

In effect, Israel has become the geopolitical version of the European Jew

Hmm is that because Israel's ethnic background is predominately European Jew ?

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Originally Posted by Carrera

who’s allowed to operate a store in the town but not to exercise full ownership rights:

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Originally Posted by Carrera

in the old days, Jews faced property restrictions; now they face sovereignty restrictions."

I don't see any restrictions on Israel's sovereignty whatsoever. There are no sanctions, there are no bombers destroying the IDF, weapons are being supplied quite openly, aid is flowing freely. The Israel is still sitting on the Occupied Territories, Shebba Farms, Jordan Valley, and the Golan Heights. If anything Israeli is enjoying some rather large extras as far as Sovereignty goes, particularly in the light of the fact that they are operating in direct violation of UN Resolution 242.

Why don't you put on a Clown suit and tell the Palestinians that Israel is suffering from restrictions on it's Sovereignty ?

You don't let the facts get in the way of a good slogan do you Crappy ?

Carrera · #30 08-04.-2006

"That said Isarel is denying the conventional rights of sovereignty to the Palestinians. We are seeing a classic example of paranoia and projection here."

Again, this is where you slip up and I wish other posters would follow what I say here and point this out to you.
I recently posted examples where 2 gays were subjected to a public flogging of over 50 lashes in Iran and then hung up to die. I provided further evidence of Christians churches being closed down in Iran and informed you that a Moslem who converts from Islam to Christianity faces the death penalty. I could provide far worse examples than that and the list would go on and on.
The fact remains that if you fail to be shocked and horrified by such a situation and support Hezbollah which is a recognised Iranian backed terrorist organization, then we clearly have different value systems altogether.
It seems to me you seem to research every possible irregularity you can find in Israel but it's funny I never read about death penalties being dealt out to Jews who converted to Christianity or floggings and hangings of gays and lesbians in Telaviv.
What about that?
I still maintain you're apparently as anti-Jewish and anti-American as the rest of the Londoners who happily rally around London burning American flags but are never seen protesting over Iraq's gassing of the Kurds or religious persecutions in Iran.
This attitude seen lately in London has been making some waves overseas and you guys are getting a reputation for appeasement and basically grovelling to Islamic extremists and any other religious nutter who shouts out for Jihad against democracy.

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Originally Posted by darkboong

Absolute tosh. The point is that no government has the moral right to attack civillians indiscriminately. I do not see any reason see why Israel should have a uniquely moral right to murder civillians.

That isn't how it has panned out though is it Crappy ? The actual order of events is that Hezbollah took two soldiers prisoner, Israel retaliated by killing a few dozen civillians, destroying an airport, fuel depots, bridges and a power station. A full day passed before the rockets started flying into Israel.

Also it's worth noting that the Israeli soliders were actually caught as they were *retreating* after a botched raid on Lebanon. The IDF have bragged about their commando raids on Lebanon on several occasions. Hell they have even shelled UNIFIL observation posts as a matter of routine, have you even bothered to look at the number of casualties that UNIFIL have reported and where the fire came from on each occasion ?

Untrue. That said Isarel is denying the conventional rights of sovereignty to the Palestinians. We are seeing a classic example of paranoia and projection here.

I think that question is at the back of her mind more than mine.

Hmm is that because Israel's ethnic background is predominately European Jew ?

I don't see any restrictions on Israel's sovereignty whatsoever. There are no sanctions, there are no bombers destroying the IDF, weapons are being supplied quite openly, aid is flowing freely. The Israel is still sitting on the Occupied Territories, Shebba Farms, Jordan Valley, and the Golan Heights. If anything Israeli is enjoying some rather large extras as far as Sovereignty goes, particularly in the light of the fact that they are operating in direct violation of UN Resolution 242.

Why don't you put on a Clown suit and tell the Palestinians that Israel is suffering from restrictions on it's Sovereignty ?

You don't let the facts get in the way of a good slogan do you Crappy ?

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