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Seems like a new Cold war is definitely on the cards and I've been following the situation for some time, especially as I used to live in Russia. Putin's latest vacuum bomb is apparently 4 times more powerful than anything in the U.S. to date, except nuclear (which the vacuum bomb isn't). Russia has likewise threatened to retaliate by pointing missiles at NATO targets if countries such as Poland are used for strategic defence but there's more to it than that. The current Government in Russia feels the U.S. is trying to bring the Putin regime down and install another Yeltsin type leader. Russia's point is there is currently no nuclear threat from Iran so any missile defence placed in Poland or Prague must be directed against Moscow with Iran as a pretext. Relations with Europe are not so good either, especially Germany. Russia seems to be moving far closer to China militarily. Here's the lowdown on the latest vacuum bomb: "The Tu-160 supersonic bomber that dropped the bomb, widely known under its NATO nickname of "Blackjack", is the heaviest combat aircraft ever built. Putin, who has overseen the roll-out of new tactical and anti-aircraft missiles and combat aircraft, has ordered "Blackjacks" and the Tu-95 "Bear" bombers to patrol around the world. The report said the new bomb was much stronger than the U.S.-built Massive Ordnance Air Blast bomb -- MOAB, also known under its name "Mother of All Bombs". "So, Russian designers called the new weapon 'Father of All Bombs'," it said. Showing the orange-painted U.S. prototype, the report said the Russian bomb was four times more powerful -- 44 metric tons of TNT equivalent -- and the temperature at the epicenter of its blast was two times higher."
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"The test comes after weeks of increasingly belligerent rhetoric from the Kremlin. Mr Putin has ordered his long-range nuclear bombers to mount patrols in international airspace for the first time since the Cold War. Last week, Russian Tupolev bombers approached British airspace for the fourth time in two months and sorties have also been flown close to US military installations. Since Mr Putin, an ex-KGB officer, came to power, Russia's annual defence spending has been quadrupled. In addition, the Kremlin has announced a £100 billion military modernisation programme. The new bomb is further proof that Russia's military has regained its technological edge. New ground and sea launched nuclear missiles have also been developed."
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The consensus is the rift between Putin's Russia and the U.S. and E.U. is here to stay. Russia will sell oil to Europe and invest in European industry e.t.c. but the idea of Russia as a European state or NATO ally is off the agenda. Democracy in Russia isn't as good as it could be although this is mainly in the field of the press and media coming under too much State control. However, you have to remember the majority of Russians like what Putin has done since Yeltsin retired. He's probably got about 80 per cent support throughout the country since the economy is now far far stronger than the Yeltsin era.
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With Bush's aggressive foreign policy being used around the globe, I am not surprised there's such a response. If the US is entitled to dot their soldiers all over the world, then why can't another country in the name of fair play?
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To be honest, I don't blame Russia at all in this instance. Russia has been told a defence system is needed close to its borders to protect the U.S. from Iran but Russia knows only too well Iran doesn't have such a missile capacity. Iran has no nuclear weapons thus far. So, Russians are asking who is the target here, Iran or Russia? Add to that, Russian accusations that there have been plots to get rid of Putin and install another Yeltsin - a man who was a complete disaster for the economy and left the country bankrupt. It's also pretty incredible Russia should be lectured on democracy when you see the U.S. not respecting human rights even within its own borders in too many cases. I mean, I was watching a documentary on that sheriff in Arizona who's been accused by Amnesty of serious human rights abuses against prisoners who he locks up in tents. So, it's a pity Putin doesn't bring that one up to Condi Rice next time she meets with Russian liberals in Moscow. Yes, America has a far more liberal press and media than Russia but I think Russians have other freedoms Americans don't have at the moment. I beieve Russia is saying if you put missile defence as close as Poland there's going to be a major response. Ultimately that could mean Poland coming under strategic targeting as well as bombers patrolling the sky. It's unfortunate but if Russia feels threatened it will naturally respond. There could even be an alliance with China which would pose a serious counterweight to NATO. Quote:
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He has squandered the opportunity that came from the end of the cold war. In this he has had the help of the UK, France, and Germany. Those countries could have embraced Russia, poured in tons of capital investment, and made it a friend and an ally. Instead they have a pursued a policy that seems almost like it must have been preplanned to alienate Russia. They have pushed NATO right up to Russia's doorstep. From the Russian perspective this was not only unnecessary, it is provocative. From a non-Russian perspective it is inexplicable. What is the purpose of continuing to expand NATO when its old enemy has crumbled? Bush has put bases into the new NATO countries. He has put bases in old Soviet territories. It looks like a policy of surrounding Russia and pressing inward.. Then there are the U.S. two invasions for regime change, which can be combined with the obvious distaste for the current Russian leadership. Putting in anti-missile systems to protect against a threat from Iran that does not exist has become the final straw. Just recently McCain was calling for the expulsion of Russia from the G8. For the last few months the CIA and the defense department has been ramping up the tempo on the planning for an attack on Iran, another country. The Russians would have to be stupid not to be scared of NATO imperialism.
__________________ "You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates |
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If Russia can't be prodded, then there is always China. America seems to always need a public-enemy-number-one to keep it invigorated as a nation. Before 9/11, China was being discussed ad infinitum as being the new evil nemesis (ironically - given our latest exploits with regard international prisoners - on human rights grounds primarily). That discussion went moot when Osama popped up his hand and volunteered for the job of "Outlaw". This then was cleverly morphed into a posse round-up to bring the rogue Saddam in from the wilderness. Now we have Iran, but Russia as a returned enemy engenders a lot more government spending perhaps.
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I have very moderate friends in Russia and know something about what makes younger Russians tick. For starters, I know they were very unhappy over the NATO bombing of Serbia and the apparent bungling of a drunken Boris Yeltsin at the time. This prepared the path for Putin - a stronger leader. Of course, under Putin today, Russians are still a free people. The only problem you may get is if you're anti Putin and working for the press or a very rich millionaire new Russian who wants to see the Oligarchs back in power. Then, I confess there is this very unpleasant right-wing fascist movement amongst teens that's a bit scary. Still, the average, educated Russian just wants to live well and make money. I know many such people. They could care less about the Kremlin and prefer drinking beer in an Irish bar somewhere in Moscow and shopping e.t.c. They enjoy freedoms Britons and Americans don't have in many ways as they're free to live as they please - so long as they don't plan on investing millions in rival political parties at this point in time. 80 per cent of Russians are happy with Putin. It's mainly the economy that makes Putin popular as Moscow is now pretty loaded. Of course, there is a fear now that Russia could feel so alienated by Europe it will seek alliances in Iran, Turkey and China. It would be a big mistake to exclude Russia or push Russia into a corner since Russia has a history of a superpower status, even back to the era of Peter the Great. Besides, Russia doesn't want another cold war at all. Quote:
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At the moment it's Iran. I don't think Islamic clerics would be at all popular in Iran were it not for the invasion of Iraq. In fact, younger Iranians want democracy and more liberalism but fear of conflict has put the religious clerics into office. Quote:
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This is what Iranians voted for- a return to populist economic nationalism in the hope of alleviating some of their poverty and hardship. It is unfortunate that the Islamic movement has been the primary mouthpiece for anti-imperialism and social justice; it shows how weak the genuine left is in the middle east. |
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I'd place Iran's government as a lot more progressive than the monarchies in the Middle East that the U.S. props up.
__________________ "You are like the wind and I like the lion. You form the tempest. The sand stings my eyes and the ground is parched. I roar in defiance but you do not hear. But between us there is a difference. I, like the lion, must remain in my place. While you like the wind will never know yours." -- Mulay Hamid El Raisuli, Lord of the Riff, Sultan to the Berbers, Last of the Barbary Pirates |
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