Anyone have any tips

Marty said:

Anyone have any tips for 12 hour night rogain in summer? (In Australian
open bushland.)
(WARA rogaine in May)

ie
Backpack or bumbag.
Water bottles or camel back.
Joggers or boots
Type of lighting.

Thanks
Marty

Tip 1 - May is Autumn not summer - take thermals & a beanie if in southern states or the desert.

warrwych said:

Marty said:

Anyone have any tips for 12 hour night rogain in summer? (In Australian
open bushland.)
(WARA rogaine in May)

ie
Backpack or bumbag.
Water bottles or camel back.
Joggers or boots
Type of lighting.

Thanks
Marty

Tip 1 - May is Autumn not summer - take thermals & a beanie if in
southern states or the desert.

So should we take that to mean Marty's mate Roger has taken to more
elaborate impersonations (and learnt to spell)? Will the real Marty
please step forward?

DaveB

Marty said:

Anyone have any tips for 12 hour night rogain in summer? (In Australian
open bushland.)
(WARA rogaine in May)

ie
Backpack or bumbag.
Water bottles or camel back.
Joggers or boots
Type of lighting.

Thanks
Marty

Please note that this posting is from the troll.
Everyone knows my real address is [email hidden] NOT
[email hidden]

The impersonator is Roger Bratton.

See here. http://www.hyperactive.oz.nf/Bratton/Roger%20Bratton.htm

My web page is here. http://www.hyperactive.oz.nf/

The (real) Marty

Marty said:

Marty said:

Anyone have any tips for 12 hour night rogain in summer? (In Australian
open bushland.)
(WARA rogaine in May)

ie
Backpack or bumbag.
Water bottles or camel back.
Joggers or boots
Type of lighting.

Thanks
Marty

Please note that this posting is from the troll.
Everyone knows my real address is [email hidden] NOT
[email hidden]

The impersonator is Roger Bratton.

See here. http://www.hyperactive.oz.nf/Bratton/Roger%20Bratton.htm

My web page is here. http://www.hyperactive.oz.nf/

The (real) Marty

This one or that one?

Hehehe here's a tip - don't carry a troll around!

Tam

DaveB said:

warrwych said:

Marty said:

Anyone have any tips for 12 hour night rogain in summer? (In Australian
open bushland.)
(WARA rogaine in May)

ie
Backpack or bumbag.
Water bottles or camel back.
Joggers or boots
Type of lighting.

Thanks
Marty

Tip 1 - May is Autumn not summer - take thermals & a beanie if in
southern states or the desert.

So should we take that to mean Marty's mate Roger has taken to more
elaborate impersonations (and learnt to spell)? Will the real Marty
please step forward?

DaveB

Roger Bratton tends to cut and paste from people that can spell.
He's not capable of conversing.

Marty?

Marty said:

Anyone have any tips for 12 hour night rogain in summer? (In Australian
open bushland.)
(WARA rogaine in May)

ie
Backpack or bumbag.
Water bottles or camel back.
Joggers or boots
Type of lighting.

Thanks
Marty

Interesting that you should ask. I'm off to do the 12 hour here in Vic this Saturday with a group of lads with whom I did many events more than 20 years ago. It'll be a bit of a nostalgia trip and a boys weekend combined; we don't intend to worry the teams going for placings.

I'll take a Camelbak bladder for convenience in a small backpack, either my Kathmandu cycle pack (12litres?) or my larger Deuter (23l), depending if I have to carry lots of rainwear. Looking at the forecast, it'll should be fine all weekend, but I imagine it'll get pretty cold at night so I'll take gloves and a beanie.

I used to use a convertible pack/bumbag which was handy as I could fold it down to a bumbag when I was wearing all the extra layers of clothes, but then I just used a small water bottle.

I'll wear ankle-high light-weight boots, as my left ankle has been a bit dodgy of late, and a little extra support won't go astray. KT26s used to be our favourite in our youth. I thought about buying a pair as they're still cheap, but then I would have had to have gone out and worn them in. My only training for this (apart from cycle commuting) is the 4km Mother's Day Classic walk around the bot gardens last Sunday.

For lighting I'll take a 4 LED headtorch (Smart/Basta brand that has a handlebar mount as well as an elastic head band). I'll probably also take my home made helmet light with it's 10W 6V globe and 7.2V 4400maH Li-on battery. It's a pretty compact unit with a very focussed beam for spotlighting when we think we are close to a checkpoint. In the past we just used piddly Maglites for reading the map and used our night vision for seeing where we were going, but I think we need all the help we can get these days.

I did one of my last Rogaines in the area (Wombat State Forest, east of Blackwood) about 15 years ago and I remember some awful razor grass. We have been warned that there is some in many of the watercourses and they've advised us to use gaiters and/or long pants.

Not sure what clothes to take, as the ones with the better fabrics, eg. my Superroubbaix cycling longs would be great at night, but I don't want them to get all ripped up. Might just take some old jeans and thermals for night time.

What else? Contact for the map, or a map case, markers, first-aid, whistle, compass, sun hat, sunscreen, energy food, camping gear including table and chair, esky for post event relaxation.

(There was a note in the last VRA newsletter that the emergency helicopter will be on standby for our team. Hope we won't be needing it.)

Marty said:

Anyone have any tips for 12 hour night rogain in summer? (In Australian
open bushland.)
(WARA rogaine in May)

ie
Backpack or bumbag.
Water bottles or camel back.
Joggers or boots
Type of lighting.

Toilet paper!

Brings back fond memories of a conversation between crash hot orienteer
trying first rogain (Howes Valley 1980's/90's) and loudly telling his
mate "you don't want to take toilet paper, you won't have time for a
[censored]" and so on for several other items including water bottle.

Next morning mate is obvserved carely leading delerious gung-ho
orienteer into hash house. "He wouldn't even stop for a drink in the creek"

Back pack, bottles(2x1L), whatever foot wear you are used to, torch with
spare batteries and globes, plus small spare(s). Jumper, space blanket,
rain coat, map bag, sugar fix, chew bars (low GI), hat compass and spare.

And we take trangis, tea. milk cups, bikkies, etc for a cuppa stop every
5th control. (Yep, we can second one time, and "we went home to feed the
baby too"😉

On Thu, 12 May 2005 at 00:56 GMT, Marty (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

Marty said:

Anyone have any tips for 12 hour night rogain in summer? (In Australian
open bushland.)

....

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Thanks
Marty

Please note that this posting is from the troll.
Everyone knows my real address is [email hidden] NOT
[email hidden]

I think this is why PGP was invented. Get a PGP signature, then use
it for all usenet (and email, for that matter) posts.

--
TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/
"It took people a long time to figure out which machine was [mooing],
and even longer to figure out how. But for some reason it didn't take
them any time at all to figure that I'd done it." -- Paul Tomblin on ASR

Terry Collins said:

Toilet paper!

Yup, you can use toilet paper to blow your nose but wiping your bum with a
tissue doesn't work.

Theo

TimC said:

On Thu, 12 May 2005 at 00:56 GMT, Marty (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

Marty said:

Anyone have any tips for 12 hour night rogain in summer? (In Australian
open bushland.)

...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Thanks
Marty

Please note that this posting is from the troll.
Everyone knows my real address is [email hidden] NOT
[email hidden]

I think this is why PGP was invented. Get a PGP signature, then use
it for all usenet (and email, for that matter) posts.

How does it work?

Marty

Slaw, you're a gentleman & a scholar. Good read with much helpful information.

Can everyone else see what I'm highlighting here?

On Thu, 12 May 2005 at 05:22 GMT, Marty (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

TimC said:

On Thu, 12 May 2005 at 00:56 GMT, Marty (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

Please note that this posting is from the troll.
Everyone knows my real address is [email hidden] NOT
[email hidden]

I think this is why PGP was invented. Get a PGP signature, then use
it for all usenet (and email, for that matter) posts.

How does it work?

I'm not entirely sure. I have a PGP key, and have never used it. You
generate a key using gnupg or pgp. I think you register your key with
a central pgp keyserver, put it on your website, advertise it in all
your mail, and sign all outgoing mail/news with it[1]. People who
have seen just the littlest hint of your postings will realise
straight away if a post suddently appears without your signature.
With a suitable plugin, and an un-inadequate newsreader (ie, not OE),
the message will be flagged very obviously if there is a PGP key, but
it doesn't match. If enough people use it (it is free, and is even
now legal in the repressed USofA), then the attacks on you wouldn't be
possible.

[1] There's also these things called webs of trust for PGP, but I
don't think they're relevant for just email/usenet - good for signing
linux packages with.

--
TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/
Press any key to continue, any other key to abort
-- thrillbert's code

TimC wrote:

...snip

Quoted message said:

[1] There's also these things called webs of trust for PGP, but I
don't think they're relevant for just email/usenet - good for signing
linux packages with.

thats all pretty close.

it works by you generating a public/private key pair. once you've
generated the key pair you can publish the public key to a key server,
if you're really paranoid you distribute your public key in person and
only trust public keys you've physically been handed. the math on them
works using one way functions which are difficult to factor and is and
interesting field on its own (if you're a nerd).

once you have the key pair you can use it in a few ways. you can sign
messages with your private key and people can verify your identity by
getting your public key and putting the two parts together. mostly you'd
have the public key on your keychain and your email client will do the
comparison for you and mark a message trusted or untrusted.

the other way to use it is for someone to encrypt a message to me using
my public key then for me to on receipt decrypt it using my private key.
it gives you relatively secure email communications ...

brett
(who knows more about encryption than cycling)

TimC wrote:

...snip

Quoted message said:

[1] There's also these things called webs of trust for PGP, but I
don't think they're relevant for just email/usenet - good for signing
linux packages with.

thats all pretty close.

it works by you generating a public/private key pair. once you've
generated the key pair you can publish the public key to a key server,
if you're really paranoid you distribute your public key in person and
only trust public keys you've physically been handed. the math on them
works using one way functions which are difficult to factor and is and
interesting field on its own (if you're a nerd).

once you have the key pair you can use it in a few ways. you can sign
messages with your private key and people can verify your identity by
getting your public key and putting the two parts together. mostly you'd
have the public key on your keychain and your email client will do the
comparison for you and mark a message trusted or untrusted.

the other way to use it is for someone to encrypt a message to me using
my public key then for me to on receipt decrypt it using my private key.
it gives you relatively secure email communications ...

brett
(who knows more about encryption than cycling)

"spook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

TimC wrote:

..snip

Quoted message said:

[1] There's also these things called webs of trust for PGP, but I
don't think they're relevant for just email/usenet - good for signing
linux packages with.

thats all pretty close.

it works by you generating a public/private key pair. once you've
generated the key pair you can publish the public key to a key server,
if you're really paranoid you distribute your public key in person and
only trust public keys you've physically been handed. the math on them
works using one way functions which are difficult to factor and is and
interesting field on its own (if you're a nerd).

once you have the key pair you can use it in a few ways. you can sign
messages with your private key and people can verify your identity by
getting your public key and putting the two parts together. mostly you'd
have the public key on your keychain and your email client will do the
comparison for you and mark a message trusted or untrusted.

the other way to use it is for someone to encrypt a message to me using
my public key then for me to on receipt decrypt it using my private key.
it gives you relatively secure email communications ...

brett
(who knows more about encryption than cycling)

You weren't by any chance a bear in a previous life??

Gags

On Thu, 12 May 2005 at 12:13 GMT, Gags (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

"spook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

Heh. Appropriate nick.

Quoted message said:

news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

brett
(who knows more about encryption than cycling)

You weren't by any chance a bear in a previous life??

I don't slurp that robot, but if you asked him whether he was perhaps
a blowfish, I might have understood.

--
TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/
I don't want Perl to be beautiful -- I want you to write
beautiful programs in Perl. --Larry Wall

Gags said:

"spook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

TimC wrote:

..snip

Quoted message said:

[1] There's also these things called webs of trust for PGP, but I
don't think they're relevant for just email/usenet - good for signing
linux packages with.

thats all pretty close.

it works by you generating a public/private key pair. once you've
generated the key pair you can publish the public key to a key server,
if you're really paranoid you distribute your public key in person and
only trust public keys you've physically been handed. the math on them
works using one way functions which are difficult to factor and is and
interesting field on its own (if you're a nerd).

once you have the key pair you can use it in a few ways. you can sign
messages with your private key and people can verify your identity by
getting your public key and putting the two parts together. mostly you'd
have the public key on your keychain and your email client will do the
comparison for you and mark a message trusted or untrusted.

the other way to use it is for someone to encrypt a message to me using
my public key then for me to on receipt decrypt it using my private key.
it gives you relatively secure email communications ...

brett
(who knows more about encryption than cycling)

You weren't by any chance a bear in a previous life??

Gags

Gags...

So was hippy right when he said you might be over at Watsonia?

Tam

TimC said:

On Thu, 12 May 2005 at 05:22 GMT, Marty (aka Bruce)
was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

Quoted message said:

TimC wrote:

[1] There's also these things called webs of trust for PGP, but I don't think they're relevant for just email/usenet - good for signing linux packages with.

On the contray webs of trust are the very concept that PGP is based on.

I could put up any persona on the web and assign a key to that. People get to know that persona and ``trust'' it, which isn't a good idea.

Essentially the validity of a key is only as good as the trust you have in that key. If you've met someone face to face and exchanged keys, you can fully trust that that key represents the person attached to it and sign it as such. Someone else who you fully trust may choose to fully trust that key because you trust it.

That's pretty much why PGP hasn't got the foothold it should, not many people on Usenet trust each other ;-)

Check here gnupg.orgmanual.htmlOpen ↗ for a fuller description of a web of trust.
--
Cheers
Euan, who did gpg his mail for a while but when one hand's clapping, it don't do much good.

"Tamyka Bell" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Gags said:

"spook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

TimC wrote:

..snip

> [1] There's also these things called webs of trust for PGP, but I
> don't think they're relevant for just email/usenet - good for

signing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> linux packages with.
>

thats all pretty close.

it works by you generating a public/private key pair. once you've
generated the key pair you can publish the public key to a key server,
if you're really paranoid you distribute your public key in person and
only trust public keys you've physically been handed. the math on them
works using one way functions which are difficult to factor and is and
interesting field on its own (if you're a nerd).

once you have the key pair you can use it in a few ways. you can sign
messages with your private key and people can verify your identity by
getting your public key and putting the two parts together. mostly

you'd

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

have the public key on your keychain and your email client will do the
comparison for you and mark a message trusted or untrusted.

the other way to use it is for someone to encrypt a message to me

using

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

my public key then for me to on receipt decrypt it using my private

key.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

it gives you relatively secure email communications ...

brett
(who knows more about encryption than cycling)

You weren't by any chance a bear in a previous life??

Gags

Gags...

So was hippy right when he said you might be over at Watsonia?

Tam

I live over that way but I work in at Vic Barracks. Was in Sigs in a
previous life as an OR.

Gags