1 Folding Bike, 1 Cold Boxing Day, 3 Beers & 50 Miles

Discussion in 'UK and Europe' started by Not Responding, Dec 28, 2004.

  1. I was more excited this Christmas Eve than I have been for some years.
    I'd been allowed a pre-Christmas preview of my Dahon Speed TR on the
    basis that if some crucial part or tool was required, I wanted to find
    out ahead of a four day retail shut down. In the end the only
    requirement from messers Halfords was a pump and a puncture repair kit.

    Christmas morning was spend doing serious origami and getting the fit
    right. Experimental runs included quick dash to the pub for a sharpener
    and a couple of times around the village showing my 6 yr old how to ride
    her new bike on the roads.

    The Big Ride was on Boxing Day. The cold almost put us off; everything
    was frozen solid and the roads very icy. The plan was to do the
    Peterborough Green Wheel; just under 50 miles of mixed roads and
    landscapes. Everything from perfect tarmac, through Sustrans
    abominations to undrideable construction traffic mud-ways.

    On tarmac, the folding bike was superb. Agile and fast. I like the SRAM
    hub/derailleur combo but, think it's all a bit low geared. Great for
    climbing hills but most people will spin out quickly on the other side.
    No that I got to try this as the roads were so slippery, we went down
    under braking at less than 10mph.

    25 miles saw us feeling fresh but cold. An open pub could not be passed
    and the open fire kept us there for 2 drinks too many. We faded rapidly
    after the pub. This also coincided with the start of the Sustrans style
    tracks. Horrible on any bike but ghastly on a small wheeler with high
    pressure tyres and no front suspension. Every rut or pebble went
    straight through the bike and into my long suffering arm. Ouch.

    It was soon dark and the low full moon hanging over the fens was wonderful.

    Made it back in time for turkey and pickles in front of the fire at
    about 1900.

    Excellent.
     
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  2. Thanks for the review. What do you think of the suspended seatpost? Also,
    what's Sustrans?

    EFR of the Dahon Impulse P21
    Ile de France
     
  3. JLB

    JLB Guest

    Elisa Francesca Roselli wrote:
    > Thanks for the review. What do you think of the suspended seatpost? Also,
    > what's Sustrans?


    See
    http://www.sustrans.org.uk/

    The name derives from "sustainable transport".

    --
    Joe * If I cannot be free I'll be cheap
     
  4. Peter B

    Peter B Guest

    "Elisa Francesca Roselli" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Also,
    > what's Sustrans?


    Where I live they appear to be an organisation who put up route markers on
    country lanes I've been cycling on for 40 odd years, and my father before,
    then claim to have provided another x amount of cycle routes ;-)

    Pete
     
  5. Simon Brooke

    Simon Brooke Guest

    in message <[email protected]>, Elisa Francesca Roselli
    ('[email protected]') wrote:

    > Thanks for the review. What do you think of the suspended seatpost?
    > Also, what's Sustrans?


    'Sustrans' started up as the Campaign for Sustainable Transport. It's
    now an organisation that puts up steel barriers across cycle paths.

    --
    [email protected] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    Age equals angst multiplied by the speed of fright squared.
    ;; the Worlock
     
  6. Simon Geller

    Simon Geller Guest

    Not Responding wrote:

    > 25 miles saw us feeling fresh but cold. An open pub could not be passed
    > and the open fire kept us there for 2 drinks too many. We faded rapidly
    > after the pub. This also coincided with the start of the Sustrans style
    > tracks. Horrible on any bike but ghastly on a small wheeler with high
    > pressure tyres and no front suspension. Every rut or pebble went
    > straight through the bike and into my long suffering arm. Ouch.
    >

    When you say "Sustrans style tracks", do you actually mean sections of
    the National Cycle Network? Or when you go down any unmade track do you
    think "oh that's a sustrans type track"? Just wondering.

    --- a few more comments:

    If as Peter B. says Sustrans put cycle route signs up on routes he's
    been using for years, obviously they are choosing the right routes
    aren't they? Or was he just hoping to keep them to himself.

    Sustrans don't put access barriers across cycle routes, as Simon B.
    alleges - Local Authroties do. Sustrans policy is that these should be
    removed as soon as practicable. Abuse by motorcyclists is still an issue
    in some areas.

    Sustrans have facilitated the provision of £8,000 miles of waymaked
    cycle route in the UK, with an eventual target of 10,000. Two thirds of
    the network is on road.

    Simon
     
  7. Simon Geller wrote:
    > Not Responding wrote:
    >
    >> 25 miles saw us feeling fresh but cold. An open pub could not be
    >> passed and the open fire kept us there for 2 drinks too many. We faded
    >> rapidly after the pub. This also coincided with the start of the
    >> Sustrans style tracks. Horrible on any bike but ghastly on a small
    >> wheeler with high pressure tyres and no front suspension. Every rut or
    >> pebble went straight through the bike and into my long suffering arm.
    >> Ouch.
    >>

    > When you say "Sustrans style tracks", do you actually mean sections of
    > the National Cycle Network? Or when you go down any unmade track do you
    > think "oh that's a sustrans type track"? Just wondering.


    OK, looking at the Sustrans map in more detail, they don't get all the
    blame. The worst tracks must be down to Peterborough City Council but
    some of the Sustrans bits were fairly grim.

    However, I'm not knocking the enterprise; it's a good ride and if the
    perceived safety of off-road tracks encourages more people to try it
    then that's good. Had I wanted to stick to roads, I could have done so.

    > --- a few more comments:
    >
    > If as Peter B. says Sustrans put cycle route signs up on routes he's
    > been using for years, obviously they are choosing the right routes
    > aren't they? Or was he just hoping to keep them to himself.
    >
    > Sustrans don't put access barriers across cycle routes, as Simon B.
    > alleges - Local Authroties do. Sustrans policy is that these should be
    > removed as soon as practicable. Abuse by motorcyclists is still an issue
    > in some areas.


    A part of sustrans route 2 runs near me. The first thing to go up before
    the blue signs were barriers. Never seen a motorbike.

    > Sustrans have facilitated the provision of £8,000 miles of waymaked
    > cycle route in the UK, with an eventual target of 10,000. Two thirds of
    > the network is on road.
    >
    > Simon
     
  8. Simon Geller

    Simon Geller Guest

    Not Responding wrote:


    > OK, looking at the Sustrans map in more detail, they don't get all the
    > blame. The worst tracks must be down to Peterborough City Council but
    > some of the Sustrans bits were fairly grim.


    The NCN is a bit like the Road system in general - some of its great for
    cycling, some of it's pretty grim. Often the grim bits are where an
    existing track has been adopted because of it's logistical benefit to
    the network, without much work being done to it. However, once the line
    of route is established there's always potential for future improvement.

    for some good bits try: Hull to Harwich; Brownhills to Derby; Derby to
    Leicester; Cornish Way; Lon Las Cymru ; Celtic Trail.

    > A part of sustrans route 2 runs near me. The first thing to go up before
    > the blue signs were barriers. Never seen a motorbike.


    Maybe that's because of the barriers, or maybe people are just a bit
    more civilised down your way than they are here in Yorkshire.

    Simon
     
  9. Simon Brooke

    Simon Brooke Guest

    in message <[email protected]>, Simon Geller
    ('[email protected]') wrote:

    > Not Responding wrote:
    >
    >> 25 miles saw us feeling fresh but cold. An open pub could not be
    >> passed and the open fire kept us there for 2 drinks too many. We
    >> faded rapidly after the pub. This also coincided with the start of
    >> the Sustrans style tracks. Horrible on any bike but ghastly on a
    >> small wheeler with high pressure tyres and no front suspension. Every
    >> rut or pebble went straight through the bike and into my long
    >> suffering arm. Ouch.
    >>

    > When you say "Sustrans style tracks", do you actually mean sections of
    > the National Cycle Network? Or when you go down any unmade track do
    > you think "oh that's a sustrans type track"? Just wondering.
    >
    > --- a few more comments:
    >
    > If as Peter B. says Sustrans put cycle route signs up on routes he's
    > been using for years, obviously they are choosing the right routes
    > aren't they? Or was he just hoping to keep them to himself.
    >
    > Sustrans don't put access barriers across cycle routes, as Simon B.
    > alleges - Local Authroties do.


    Oh yes they do, and I can photograph it for you. It's eight feet high,
    steel, topped with barbed wire, and extends right across the viaduct
    (which Sustrans was given FOR FREE) from one parapet to the other,
    making it completely impossible for anyone to cross.

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  10. Simon Geller

    Simon Geller Guest

    Simon Brooke wrote:

    >>Sustrans don't put access barriers across cycle routes, as Simon B.
    >>alleges - Local Authroties do.

    >
    >
    > Oh yes they do, and I can photograph it for you. It's eight feet high,
    > steel, topped with barbed wire, and extends right across the viaduct
    > (which Sustrans was given FOR FREE) from one parapet to the other,
    > making it completely impossible for anyone to cross.
    >


    Could you be a bit more precise about the location? This sounds like a
    Fence to me - not an access barrier. Access barriers allow access to
    certain users whilst denying it to others - they don't deny access to
    everyone. If a viaduct is considered to be dangerous it would be logical
    to block it off until it is possible to make it safe, presumably.
    Sustrans have made it possible for many disused railway viaducts to be
    opened up for cycling & walking.

    Simon G.
     
  11. Simon Brooke

    Simon Brooke Guest

    in message <U%[email protected]>, Simon
    Geller ('[email protected]') wrote:

    > Simon Brooke wrote:
    >
    >>>Sustrans don't put access barriers across cycle routes, as Simon B.
    >>>alleges - Local Authroties do.

    >>
    >> Oh yes they do, and I can photograph it for you. It's eight feet
    >> high, steel, topped with barbed wire, and extends right across the
    >> viaduct (which Sustrans was given FOR FREE) from one parapet to the
    >> other, making it completely impossible for anyone to cross.

    >
    > Could you be a bit more precise about the location? This sounds like a
    > Fence to me - not an access barrier. Access barriers allow access to
    > certain users whilst denying it to others - they don't deny access to
    > everyone. If a viaduct is considered to be dangerous it would be
    > logical to block it off until it is possible to make it safe,
    > presumably. Sustrans have made it possible for many disused railway
    > viaducts to be opened up for cycling & walking.


    <URL:http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.s...r+of+fleet&st=3&tl=Big+Water+of+Fleet+Viaduct
    +Dumfries+and+Galloway+&searchp=newsearch.srf&mapp=newmap.srf>

    The viaduct was safe and was in use by cyclists (and farm tractors, for
    heaven's sake) when it was given to Sustrans. All Sustrans have done is
    put up the barrier and ignored it.

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    [email protected] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

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