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Micheal Artindale
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"Steph" <[email protected]_CUT> wrote in message
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> "Micheal Artindale" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> >
> > Lifeguards do help me. I feel kind of wierd asking them. They are
> > supposed to be there to watch out for people to rescue, at that time,
> > not to watch me do lengths and critique them
> >
> Naturally you do not want to distract someone from their job. Perhaps
> when one guard rotates off the chair they could spend five minutes given
> you some direction... although read more below.
I do get them to assit me after they are not watching people.
>
> >> >> Also, it sounds like you swim a lot - I'd try cutting back on your
> >> pool
> >> >> time and focusing on quality for a while. Not saying lots of
> >> >> hours in the pool is a bad thing, just that it doesn't sound like
> >> >> it's helping you and when you're stuck, it's worth trying a
> >> >> change. Short
> >> distances
> >> >> with a focus on form are worth trying, and cutting your total
> >> >> volume
> >> in
> >> >> half for a few weeks won't hurt you.
> >> >>
> >> >> Hope that helps some.
> >> >
> >> > It has given me somethings to think about.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Again, stop worrying about going fast. Slow down your rotations and
> >> work on form -- glide and pull. You could also use paddles (only low
> >> resistence and slow speed) to help with your form.
> >
> > Anytime I have ever used paddles it screw up my stroke worse.
> >
>
> This is concerning.
> I am guessing your fundamental stroke (the path your hand and arm take
> in completing a revolution) is severely flawed. Don't be ashamed of it;
> acknowledge, embrace, and correct --- same process independent of the
> sport, Tiger Woods still does it after 20+ victories.
I am not ashamed of it, all I know is paddles screw me up badly.
>
> >>
> >> Note that it is a never-ending process if you wish to improve.
> >> I can swim 4-5 miles without stopping in a pool, all at a regular lap
> >> split of 26 minutes per mile. And I can do the same in calm water
> >> swims, but in open water with REAL rough water I "drown"; I still get
> >> there but it is a little slower and I take on a lot of water. I
> >> spent so much time perfecting my pool swim technique I lost my
> >> ability to lift my head and push through water chop -- so I have my
> >> new goal come spring. Until then I am working to increase my speed
> >> without injuring my shoulder (still at ~15 strokes per length and
> >> breaths every third so ~ 4 breaths).
> >>
> >
> > I know, you can never get to the point that you can never get to the
> > point where you cannot improve.
> >
> > Micheal
> >
>
> I think working with paddles and dissecting your stroke is where you
> need to go. It sounds like you are fighting against the water, when you
> need to "ride" it.
>
> Basics of front crawl:
> arm comes forward with hand entering water with a nearly fully exteneded
> arm; I find in drills it helps a bit to "slap" the water with my thumb
> and let the hand follow. Be sure you are not "flaring" the hand towards
> the surface after it enters the water, it should rotate down and
> towards your midline (center of chest).
>
> This is the "top" of the S shape pull.
I was reading the TI book I had previously mentioned, it tells me that the S
part is basically pointless. Who is right?
>
> Now pull down your midline from above your sternum to your navel, then
> away from the body - the middle of the "S". You should FEEL the water
> on your hand and forearm the entire time.
>
> continue the PUSH with your hand going nearly fully extended past your
> waist -- another tip is to brush your thigh with your thumb as your hand
> exits the water; also feel free to let a let splash come off your hand
> while getting the feel for it.
>
> The is the bottom of the "S".
>
> Ideally your glide and timing are adequate that your other hand begins
> it's pull just as the first is reentering the water above your head
> (with a little slap?).
>
> If you ue a pull-buoy to float your lower body you can work on the
> stroke and accentuate the glide (pause) between strokes.
>
> There are so many other details to help you tune this: head position,
> body roll, taking a breath, kick, etc.
>
> Seriously, if it is that important to make progress, pay for a couple of
> sessions of buddy up to someone that knows what they are doing. The help
> you get here is not going to be adequate as we cannot see what needs to
> be corrected (and neither can you, so you wouldn't be able to tell us).
I plan to get that when I have spare money.
>
> Heck, when is your birthday ask for a couple of lessons.
Middle of the summer, Aug 5.
> Are you near York Univ? I have a triathlete friend that would be happy
> to give some pointers. Speaking of which, you could see if any Water
> Safety Instructor classes are in progress in your area and be a sampe
> student for practice teaching -- they are learning to teach the basics
> and it sounds like it wouldn't hurt you (and might be free).
>
I live in North Bay, a 4 hr drive due north of Toronto. As far as the safety
instructors, they are the lifeguards.
Thanks for the information.
Micheal
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> "Micheal Artindale" <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> >
> > Lifeguards do help me. I feel kind of wierd asking them. They are
> > supposed to be there to watch out for people to rescue, at that time,
> > not to watch me do lengths and critique them
> >
> Naturally you do not want to distract someone from their job. Perhaps
> when one guard rotates off the chair they could spend five minutes given
> you some direction... although read more below.
I do get them to assit me after they are not watching people.
>
> >> >> Also, it sounds like you swim a lot - I'd try cutting back on your
> >> pool
> >> >> time and focusing on quality for a while. Not saying lots of
> >> >> hours in the pool is a bad thing, just that it doesn't sound like
> >> >> it's helping you and when you're stuck, it's worth trying a
> >> >> change. Short
> >> distances
> >> >> with a focus on form are worth trying, and cutting your total
> >> >> volume
> >> in
> >> >> half for a few weeks won't hurt you.
> >> >>
> >> >> Hope that helps some.
> >> >
> >> > It has given me somethings to think about.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Again, stop worrying about going fast. Slow down your rotations and
> >> work on form -- glide and pull. You could also use paddles (only low
> >> resistence and slow speed) to help with your form.
> >
> > Anytime I have ever used paddles it screw up my stroke worse.
> >
>
> This is concerning.
> I am guessing your fundamental stroke (the path your hand and arm take
> in completing a revolution) is severely flawed. Don't be ashamed of it;
> acknowledge, embrace, and correct --- same process independent of the
> sport, Tiger Woods still does it after 20+ victories.
I am not ashamed of it, all I know is paddles screw me up badly.
>
> >>
> >> Note that it is a never-ending process if you wish to improve.
> >> I can swim 4-5 miles without stopping in a pool, all at a regular lap
> >> split of 26 minutes per mile. And I can do the same in calm water
> >> swims, but in open water with REAL rough water I "drown"; I still get
> >> there but it is a little slower and I take on a lot of water. I
> >> spent so much time perfecting my pool swim technique I lost my
> >> ability to lift my head and push through water chop -- so I have my
> >> new goal come spring. Until then I am working to increase my speed
> >> without injuring my shoulder (still at ~15 strokes per length and
> >> breaths every third so ~ 4 breaths).
> >>
> >
> > I know, you can never get to the point that you can never get to the
> > point where you cannot improve.
> >
> > Micheal
> >
>
> I think working with paddles and dissecting your stroke is where you
> need to go. It sounds like you are fighting against the water, when you
> need to "ride" it.
>
> Basics of front crawl:
> arm comes forward with hand entering water with a nearly fully exteneded
> arm; I find in drills it helps a bit to "slap" the water with my thumb
> and let the hand follow. Be sure you are not "flaring" the hand towards
> the surface after it enters the water, it should rotate down and
> towards your midline (center of chest).
>
> This is the "top" of the S shape pull.
I was reading the TI book I had previously mentioned, it tells me that the S
part is basically pointless. Who is right?
>
> Now pull down your midline from above your sternum to your navel, then
> away from the body - the middle of the "S". You should FEEL the water
> on your hand and forearm the entire time.
>
> continue the PUSH with your hand going nearly fully extended past your
> waist -- another tip is to brush your thigh with your thumb as your hand
> exits the water; also feel free to let a let splash come off your hand
> while getting the feel for it.
>
> The is the bottom of the "S".
>
> Ideally your glide and timing are adequate that your other hand begins
> it's pull just as the first is reentering the water above your head
> (with a little slap?).
>
> If you ue a pull-buoy to float your lower body you can work on the
> stroke and accentuate the glide (pause) between strokes.
>
> There are so many other details to help you tune this: head position,
> body roll, taking a breath, kick, etc.
>
> Seriously, if it is that important to make progress, pay for a couple of
> sessions of buddy up to someone that knows what they are doing. The help
> you get here is not going to be adequate as we cannot see what needs to
> be corrected (and neither can you, so you wouldn't be able to tell us).
I plan to get that when I have spare money.
>
> Heck, when is your birthday ask for a couple of lessons.
Middle of the summer, Aug 5.
> Are you near York Univ? I have a triathlete friend that would be happy
> to give some pointers. Speaking of which, you could see if any Water
> Safety Instructor classes are in progress in your area and be a sampe
> student for practice teaching -- they are learning to teach the basics
> and it sounds like it wouldn't hurt you (and might be free).
>
I live in North Bay, a 4 hr drive due north of Toronto. As far as the safety
instructors, they are the lifeguards.
Thanks for the information.
Micheal