capwater said:A new set of cables would do wonders and cheap. I've built super crisp shifting race bikes with 105, it all depend on how good a wrench you are.
6.25 - 7.9zaku said:what's the "real" performance difference between those groups? ?
Best description ever of why Campy is better than Shimano. LOL!alienator said:Yup. New cables and housings can do wonders for performance, much like a night spent with Balinese twin sisters.
Otherwise, the performance difference between 105, Ultegra, and Dura Ace, is not very big at all. There is a quasi significant weight difference between 105 and Dura Ace, but that won't affect your performance in any way at all.
Dura Ace is certainly durable and a good performer--although I don't like it. Dura Ace is like that chafing on the inside of a 400 pound person's thighs whereas Campy Record is like Mila Jovovich's hot breath low on yer belly. What are your criteria for a component group?
i have used all 3 groupsets & dura - ace is a far better ride - shimano 105 are for poor men/old men & beginners who wanna go slow & avg 15mph - not alot of difference beteen ultegra & dura but i would buy dura over ultegrazaku said:what's the "real" performance difference between those groups? they all have metal components in shifters, kinda same design, etc... or is it only a weight difference?
i was looking in to upgrade to ultegra from 105. dunno if it worth the extra bucks?
Otherwise, the performance difference between 105, Ultegra, and Dura Ace, is not very big at all. There is a quasi significant weight difference between 105 and Dura Ace, but that won't affect your performance in any way at all.azdroptop said:Best description ever of why Campy is better than Shimano. LOL!
Why are you quoting me? I didn't write that. LOLsteelem said:Otherwise, the performance difference between 105, Ultegra, and Dura Ace, is not very big at all. There is a quasi significant weight difference between 105 and Dura Ace, but that won't affect your performance in any way at all.
what a load of bull !!!!! have you ever used these groupsets or just making this **** up
sorry m8 its alienator talkin ****azdroptop said:Why are you quoting me? I didn't write that. LOL
Cut him a break already, a misquote is nothing in this guy's list of accompishments. Retarded, err.... mentally disabled, no.... socially inept, perhaps.... mongrel, umm.... "special" people deserve a bit of leeway on these forums. Hell, he's lucky he has opposable thumbs or else he would just slide right off his bike's handlebars.azdroptop said:Why are you quoting me? I didn't write that. LOL
http://www.english-online.org.uk/Scotty_Dog said:Cut him a break already, a misquote is nothing in this guy's list of accompishments. Retarded, err.... mentally disabled, no.... socially inept, perhaps.... mongrel, umm.... "special" people deserve a bit of leeway on these forums. Hell, he's lucky he has opposable thumbs or else he would just slide right off his bike's handlebars.
steelem said:sorry m8 its alienator talkin ****
steelem said:
i run 2 bikes at present - cannondale six13 dura ace & a cannondale liquigas shimano105 - before this i had a caad5 tiagra & a timetrials cannondale ultegra & a caad8 ultegra - so ive pretty much tried all the shimano groupies over the yrs.. taigra ild put in the same category as the 105 - shame newbies have to put up with these group sets as they probaly give it a go & think **** it.alienator said:Alright, Mr. Zinn. Care to point out exactly where I'm wrong, eh? Exactly how does Dura Ace provide a significant performance advantage over Ultegra or 105? Try giving your explanation from an objective view point. Saying "I feel" or "I saw" or "I know" won't cut it. So, quantitatively, please demonstrate how Dura Ace has a performance advantage over Ultegra and 105.
Good luck.
That was a fine example of the infinite monkey theorem.steelem said:i run 2 bikes at present ...................
PLANK...Scotty_Dog said:That was a fine example of the infinite monkey theorem.
Tell me though, do you wipe your ass with paper or just drag it along the ground?
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