2004 Campy Chorus vs. 2003 Campy Record



Originally posted by mjw_byrne
Campag wears in, Shimano wears out".
This has definitely been my experience.
Shimano stuff has needed replacing in 1 - 2 years (chain, cluster, +/- rear der.)
Campy stuff has lasted 3-7 years before needing replacing and I was riding more kms on these bikes.
 
Originally posted by patch70
This has definitely been my experience.
Shimano stuff has needed replacing in 1 - 2 years (chain, cluster, +/- rear der.)
Campy stuff has lasted 3-7 years before needing replacing and I was riding more kms on these bikes.

chain and cassette? i dunno i kinda expect to replace those, like tires and tubes ya know?
 
Originally posted by boudreaux
And the bearings in a a record BB are different or you just get a nifty CF shell??

Its not about a CF shell. Go for a 1995-6 Record BB . Its about 1 oz. heavier , but just as bomb-proof- triple sealed bearing. Thats the key, being Bomb-proof ....... and not having to go out every 10K miles, and buying another BB. Yes, we are consumers........ but cut the ****, break out a bit more money $, and buy something of high durability = Record = Toyota/Lexus = Kirby = Dura Ace = Super REcord = Chris King = Rolex.

Need some more examples ?


If your not in it for the long term , then sure... go for 105 , or Mirage . Higher the price, higher the durability .... and visa versa.
 
Originally posted by Adam-from-SLO
Its not about a CF shell. Go for a 1995-6 Record BB . Its about 1 oz. heavier , but just as bomb-proof- triple sealed bearing.
And where does one find a 1995 record BB?...LOL BTW, both the current record and chorus BB have triple cartridge(sealed) bearings.
 
Originally posted by boudreaux
And where does one find a 1995 record BB?...LOL BTW, both the current record and chorus BB have triple cartridge(sealed) bearings.

Ebay , check it.

It may take some time... but its worth it. I bought my 1996 record from Ebay for $25.
 
Originally posted by Adam-from-SLO
Ebay , check it.

It may take some time... but its worth it. I bought my 1996 record from Ebay for $25.
....and tell me how it is so much better than a current one.
 
Originally posted by boudreaux
....and tell me how it is so much better than a current one.

I never said it was better or equivilent...... you be the judge.

1996 Record-triple sealed bearing = 235grams
1997+Record Carbon triple sealed bearing(slightly oversized tapered spindle) = 195grams


*Equivilent durability in my minds eye(in terms of durability.. not weight). The only difference would be is how much $$ you are able to get one BB , versus the other. Obviously, the money thing is a factor with most people.
 
Is there any proof that the bearing of Chorus 2004 is less than that of Record? My bike specialists says he has no significant difference in repairs on Chorus and Record. Only thing is that Record is lighter. He actually says DA hubs are same quality as Record (just the hubs dear fanboys)

General "disadvantage" with Record (and carbo Chorus/FSA)The coating of the Carbo cranks might wear if you ride with over-shoes. Its not really a biggie.

General tip: The Stronglight needle bearing steering part (heck if I know the english word) lasts forever.
 
Originally posted by Tuschinski
Is there any proof that the bearing of Chorus 2004 is less than that of Record? My bike specialists says he has no significant difference in repairs on Chorus and Record. Only thing is that Record is lighter. He actually says DA hubs are same quality as Record (just the hubs dear fanboys)

General "disadvantage" with Record (and carbo Chorus/FSA)The coating of the Carbo cranks might wear if you ride with over-shoes. Its not really a biggie.

General tip: The Stronglight needle bearing steering part (heck if I know the english word) lasts forever.


The bearings in the Chorus 2004 and Record 2004 are the same.
 
Originally posted by BaCardi
The bearings in the Chorus 2004 and Record 2004 are the same.

Ahhhhhhhhh, probably true.

But is the real question about the bearings........ or the races that the bearings ride on ????

I have been told by countless bike mechanics , young and old .... that Record Hubs are the absolute way to go- in terms of durability - mainly.
 
Originally posted by yayaya
I know by looking on paper what the differences are between the two groupsets, I.e. different bolts, slightly more carbon on the Record and such but is thier any BIG difference other than price?

The weight difference between both groupsets (levers, cranks, cassettes, derailleurs, hubs, BB) is about 125g or so.
 
Originally posted by yayaya
I know by looking on paper what the differences are between the two groupsets, I.e. different bolts, slightly more carbon on the Record and such but is thier any BIG difference other than price?

If you have the dough, get Record - if you have less dough get Chorus - if you have a little more dough than but you cannot decide, get a bit of both.

The biggest thing to remember with Record vs Chorus is that the Chorus parts are virtually identical but lack the very nice Ti bolts in the brakes, and ders. and the alloy chainring bolts on the cranks.

The chain rings for Record have a coating that is suppose to make them last longer. Both have the carbon post, with Record having the micro adjusting carbon plate on top, alloy for Chorus.

If it were me, I would get Chorus with the Carbon cranks but add the new black Record brakes to finish it off!!
 
Originally posted by Adam-from-SLO
Ahhhhhhhhh, probably true.

But is the real question about the bearings........ or the races that the bearings ride on ????

I have been told by countless bike mechanics , young and old .... that Record Hubs are the absolute way to go- in terms of durability - mainly.


You're the one that just knows that Record **** is soooo much smoother spinning than Chorus, so why don't you tell us what the difference is with the Record races as compared to the Chorus?
 
Originally posted by BaCardi
You're the one that just knows that Record **** is soooo much smoother spinning than Chorus, so why don't you tell us what the difference is with the Record races as compared to the Chorus?
The bearings are the same, the Record is finished better than Chorus, meaning they spend a bit more time polishing the Record parts over the Chorus. Nearly all of the Chorus group parts come from the same molds as the Records but are set apart by the bolts used, mosly Ti bolts on Record and steel on Chorus. The 2004 Chorus crank is basically the 2003 Record.
 
Originally posted by boudreaux
And the bearings in a a record BB are different or you just get a nifty CF shell??

I'm very happy with my '04 Chorus. '04 Chorus is essentially '03 Record with the '03 Chorus Bottom Bracket and Cassette. One thing to note - Centaur, Chorus and Record hubs ALL use the same internals - The locknut is black resin on Centaur and Chorus, and I'm told the flange is thinner on Record. Some riders report short service life from Record due to cracked flanges (I'm guessing but this could be as much attributable to inappropriate lacing patterns or slotting for bladed spokes, or poor wheel building as to material thickness). If you're a big/strong guy maybe go with the more meaty "lower-spec" hubs.
 
Originally posted by BaCardi
You're the one that just knows that Record **** is soooo much smoother spinning than Chorus, so why don't you tell us what the difference is with the Record races as compared to the Chorus?

none.

Buy Chorus......

Maybe one day Campy will change there product line again(which I'm sure they will)... so that price refects durability/lightness/elegentness/ etc. At this point , most people are just as happy w/Chorus..... then having to go spend an extra $300 or so on Record.
 
Originally posted by Adam-from-SLO
none.

Buy Chorus......

Maybe one day Campy will change there product line again(which I'm sure they will)... so that price refects durability/lightness/elegentness/ etc. At this point , most people are just as happy w/Chorus..... then having to go spend an extra $300 or so on Record.


Dude! Give it up. You just said on p.1 of this thread that Record was so smooth and just jizzy all over it and how "Anything spinning..........rotating........... you want Record, trust me... its worth the extra $100 .. or so.", now after the bearings were pointed out to you to be the exact same, you said the diff was the bearing races yet couldn't tell anyone what difference there actually was between the Chorus and Record bearing races. Now, you're all about Churus. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by BaCardi
Dude! Give it up. You just said on p.1 of this thread that Record was so smooth and just jizzy all over it and how "Anything spinning..........rotating........... you want Record, trust me... its worth the extra $100 .. or so.", now after the bearings were pointed out to you to be the exact same, you said the diff was the bearing races yet couldn't tell anyone what difference there actually was between the Chorus and Record bearing races. Now, you're all about Churus. :rolleyes:

No..... I wont give it up....why...... because I care !

People are going to buy what they feel as though is the best "bang for there buck" , bottom line. Chorus "looks" great... no doubt. Everyone is intitaled to there own perceptions to what they feel as though is "good" , or "right" , or "perfectly functional".

Again, if it were my money... I'd buy Record Hubs and BB..... but everything else would be Chorus- or even for that matter.... I'd be more then happy with a Athena dual pivot break calipers- which for that matter... I paid $50 for a pair- and SAVE more money there !


Here is some words of wisdom........Just ride your damn bike...... enjoy it on every ride you go on- no matter if thats 6 days per week... or 6 days per year.

Personally, I am going to ride my bike hard.... year round.... 3-5K miles per year....... so I do not mind spending a bit more money on a Record product... that justifies myself spending "that much more" for it as opposed to Chorus product, "if I feel as though some difference in durability might be compromised by buying Chorus........ then I will buy Record". Plus , if I can get a Record product..... maybe slightly used..... or on closeout for the same price as a New Chorus product is............. then obviously I will buy the Record item.

I have never sported Shimano(except for MTB.. for a few years) on the Road............. , and never will.

Make sense yet....:confused:
 
Another bit....

I am on mainly Record.... and Chorus-cassette... + Athena Breake calipers + King HS and built wheels on Open Pro black rims, but ALL 9spd. So..... all this talk about Chorus or REcord 10 speed is all "out of my league", so to speak.

9spd works perfectly fine for me, for the money I spent on it.

If new 10sped Record costs about $1650(non Carbon Crank)... and Chorus is $1200(non carbon crank) , and I spent Less then $800 on my Groupo ................ then I win !!!!!! Haahhhh hahhhhhhhh !!

Again.... its all a matter of what you want to spend on a groupo. The main reason why I am opposed to the 10spd set up , is that its relitively new..... and the Chain situation.. costing $40+ , plus needing a special tool for it............ is kinda too much trouble in my minds eye. Plus, the narrower the chain..... the shorter the life span. So, maybe 1000-1200 miles out of a 10spd chain.... as opposed to about 1500 miles out of a 9spd chain.

Duribility is job #1
 

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