2008 Tour de France : Stage 4 Cholet 29 km Individual time trial Tuesday, July 8
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From the live commentary on CN, "We're still baffled by Schumacher's performance, and eager to find out what he and Cancellara will have to say after the stage is over".limerickman said:
Which other riders jump at you as "******** performance" thumper?
thunder said:
do you have any idea what the hell you are talking about? Shumi is and has always been a very good TTer.. he places top 5 to top 10 in just about every TT he rides in... what a dumb ass!!
this is like when Honchar won the TT in the giro and all these idiots started saying hey.. where did that guy come from... and how come he can TT now... even though he had a Gold, Silver and Bronze at the world TT champs and had placed 3rd (8 seconds) behind Armstrong in a TdF long TT... yes i know he's a dope cheat.. but so what, so is everyone else, so who the hell cares
please get a clue! Schumacher has always been a good TTer.. would anyone have predicted that anyone would have finished in front of Cancellara much less 4 guys
and if you don't think that the vast majority of these guys still aren't on something... you are doubly and idiot.. Kim Kirchen's time doesn't seem a little odd to you? Devolder suddenly being able to climb the way he started to last year doesn't seem odd to you?
please people.. get a clue! the vast majority of them are still on the juice (yes even Cadel Evans too).. basically if you don't want to watch juiced up riders then don't watch the tour because that's what the tour is! please stop all the ******** dope talk and enjoy the damn race!
**** you mate.doctorSpoc said:
I know Schumi has been winning tts and prologues since 2004/5 with Skil-Shimano. This is a bit of a step up, and he obliterated the field.
There is one common theme thru his tting achievements.
2005 Skil-Shimano: flu medication
2007 Worlds: high hematocrit
2007/8 off-season: cocaine positive.
So **** you spoc.
thunder said:
you completely missed my main point... and my point is... WHO THE **** CARES!! they are all on it... get a clue! if you don't like watching doped riders, then don't watch the damn tour, because that's what it is. and don't come here telling us your ********... people know what the tour is and enjoy it just the same.
- and cocaine... yeah that sure makes you ride fast eh
- we all know about Valverde (aka Piti) look at his TT time.. dope helped him a lot.. not!
- the weirdest result in that TT is not Schmacher it's Kirchen... where did that come from?
i just hate the hypocrisy... they all train, they all dope, let the best rider win.
Yeah, I was surprised by him and Nibali. Very good rides to both of them, but I still think they will be destroyed by Andy in the mountains.zlatan said:very good ride from lövkvist today
watch out from him in the mountain!!!
Kreuziger was a bit disappointing today, I think.
This was a shorter more technical TT like the Dauphine where he performed really well recently. He has looked strong this race and in the build up. If anything... last year's TdF ITT's were a bit of an anomoly... though it has never been his strength I don't think. But you're right... a lot of people thought he would do better...including this dumbarse.TheDarkLord said:
Let's see... (actual time-splits in brackets)thunder said:
Evans
Menchov +20 seconds [+7 secs]
Popo +30 seconds [+176 secs.... obviously saving himself for Cadel in the humpy stages]
Valverde +80 seconds [+67 secs]
Sastre +85 seconds [ +76 secs]
F Schleck +100 seconds [ +107 secs]
A Schleck +130 seconds [+62 secs]
Crikey... apart from Popo who was coasting... and Andy Schleck.... you were within 13 secs on the other four relative to Cadel. Impressive. That's enough evidence for me that I am in the stupidest betting game that a dumbarse patsy sucker has ever backed himself into...
Zubeldia was never going to do a good time trial but he will be very disappointed by today finishing over 3 minutes behind Schumacher.
Ah, Cranky, but it's early yet, remember? Isn't that what you told me when I tried to warn you?Crankyfeet said:Let's see... (actual time-splits in brackets)
Evans
Menchov +20 seconds [+7 secs]
Popo +30 seconds [+176 secs.... obviously saving himself for Cadel in the humpy stages]
Valverde +80 seconds [+67 secs]
Sastre +85 seconds [ +76 secs]
F Schleck +100 seconds [ +107 secs]
A Schleck +130 seconds [+62 secs]
Crikey... apart from Popo who was coasting... and Andy Schleck.... you were within 13 secs on the other four relative to Cadel. Impressive. That's enough evidence for me that I am in the stupidest betting game that a dumbarse patsy sucker has ever backed himself into.........
That was two stages ago. A lot has happened since then...C'dale Girl said:Ah, Cranky, but it's early yet, remember? Isn't that what you told me when I tried to warn you?
Hey thumper - clear out your PM box. I bet your room's a mess too, so clean that up while your there...
As I said, Andy is doing better than his brother. And he will be even better in the mountains.Crankyfeet said:Let's see... (actual time-splits in brackets)
Evans
Menchov +20 seconds [+7 secs]
Popo +30 seconds [+176 secs.... obviously saving himself for Cadel in the humpy stages]
Valverde +80 seconds [+67 secs]
Sastre +85 seconds [ +76 secs]
F Schleck +100 seconds [ +107 secs]
A Schleck +130 seconds [+62 secs]
Crikey... apart from Popo who was coasting... and Andy Schleck.... you were within 13 secs on the other four relative to Cadel. Impressive. That's enough evidence for me that I am in the stupidest betting game that a dumbarse patsy sucker has ever backed himself into.........
Is Ricco that bad at TTing (relatively speaking of course)? Needs to pick up that part of his game if he is ever going to be a threat in GT's with his bike... not just his mouth.
Yes, he is that bad. And he did appear to be something of a threat in the Giro this year... let us see what he can do in the mountains (keeping in mind that he has been repeating that he came to the TdF for stage wins and not for GC).Crankyfeet said:
In the post-TT interview with RAI today he admitted he needs to focus on TT-ing this winter if he wants to up his GC game.
Crankyfeet said:
are you talking about the same Ricco that placed 2nd in the Giro the 1st time out of the blocks? that's a pretty damn good 1st outing in a GT i'd say.
in spite of his relative sub standard TTing and as much of a loud mouth as he is, i think he did some pretty good talking with his legs in the Giro... he was also the most aggressive of the top tier guys... not at all afraid to go out on the attack... i think people are letting their personal view of him cloud his actual accomplishments on the road which have been pretty damn good... remember he was not even supposed to ride the tour he got thrown into it a few days before the start.
Yeah... I didn't realise he was chucked in here so late. I see that he lost 2 mins to the stage winner (in 39km) on Stage 10 at the Giro... but he beat Di Luca. That ITT had some serious climbs though (one of 4km at about 9%). Just thought his 115th here stood out... in that I imagined he would have been all out for the white jersey.doctorSpoc said:
I don't have anything against Ricco. Cycling needs colourful characters IMO who aren't afraid to say what they think.
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