His final TT in the Giro was somewhat similar. But is he in this Tour for getting a good placing in the GC, or is he there more for trying for stage wins?Crankyfeet said:
2008 Tour de France : Stage 4 Cholet 29 km Individual time trial Tuesday, July 8
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Well he's said stage wins, which would mean it would be in his interest to not go all out in the TT...TheDarkLord said:
But surely he's not ruling out the white jersey... or is the white jersey a non-event compared to getting a stage win? Probably is.
I would imagine that getting the white jersey is probably harder than trying for a stage win.Crankyfeet said:
Probably is. But I doubt that Ricco' is that interested. He was fighting for the pink a few weeks ago. Not the young rider's jersey.TheDarkLord said:
He decided for the Tour right after the Giro, and is there for stage wins.
Some surprising results today for me.
Not the winner (so much), or top 10, but Schlecks, Cunego, Valverde (on current form) and several others (for example, Luis Leon Sanchez, Bruseghin).
Interesting TT... Interesting Tour and everything's, still, up for grabs.
Not the winner (so much), or top 10, but Schlecks, Cunego, Valverde (on current form) and several others (for example, Luis Leon Sanchez, Bruseghin).
Interesting TT... Interesting Tour and everything's, still, up for grabs.
this year was *not* Ricco's first Giro - he rode the 2007 Giro in support of Simoni and had a stage win then too.doctorSpoc said:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007//giro07/?id=results/giro0715
They might be dead... but those two are tough cyclists. They'd walk over broken glass to stay in the TdF until Paris. I reckon their team would get them to the start line... but they'd probably crash out of the race about 5 yards from the bottom of the ramp.classic1 said:
confusedfan said:
ok... so first time actually riding for himself in a GT he gets 2nd place... he has a mouth, but he actually backs it up with actions.
Malkmus said:
If Kirchen goes down then Stapleton's in a loooot of trouble.
(And Rogers will be fuming - sitting at home in Varese, legs in top shape, and he got Telekomed from the Tour team just like Evans in 2004).
For that matter - why was Dekker left at home? Form or something else?
Kirchen's form is astonishing. Schumacher was far stronger than I thought (as was Hincapie), but Kirchen was a bolt from the blue. I've never seen him TT like that before. He claims not to be chasing green (but so did Robbie Mac in 2006), but his form so far suggests he will be going for GC and green. I expect him to attack hard at Super Besse.
A quick easy search will see Kirchen has a pretty good TT
I don't think his performance is a dramatic standout in comparison to last year. It's better but certainly not a dramatic improvement.
TDF 07
stage 13
Kirchen finished in 18th 3:18 down on Vino.
of the riders placed in front him, 11 of them are not racing.
2 others in front Popovych & Hoste riding for Silence Lotto now cruised the TT this year.
Course was much longer.
stage 19
Both Kirchen & Schumacher finished 3:17 down on Leipheimer placing 13th & 15 respectively. Of the riders finising in front of them only Leipheimer, Karpets, Contador, Dekker & Gerdemann are not racing. Popovych & Hoste cruised the course. Plus it was a much longer TT which either aren't as good at.
I don't think his performance is a dramatic standout in comparison to last year. It's better but certainly not a dramatic improvement.
TDF 07
stage 13
Kirchen finished in 18th 3:18 down on Vino.
of the riders placed in front him, 11 of them are not racing.
2 others in front Popovych & Hoste riding for Silence Lotto now cruised the TT this year.
Course was much longer.
stage 19
Both Kirchen & Schumacher finished 3:17 down on Leipheimer placing 13th & 15 respectively. Of the riders finising in front of them only Leipheimer, Karpets, Contador, Dekker & Gerdemann are not racing. Popovych & Hoste cruised the course. Plus it was a much longer TT which either aren't as good at.
Without the prologue this year, there must have been bunches of riders on the same time before the chrono. Does anyone know how they determined the order of riding for the TT? Was it drawn out of a hat?
They may have the same time but they still have a finishing order as they cross the line. So I'd say it's just an accumulative placings order.
ie:Rider A - finishes in 25 & 32nd,
Rider B finishes in 10th & 158th
Rider A has over all better finish positions.
Something like that I guess.
ie:Rider A - finishes in 25 & 32nd,
Rider B finishes in 10th & 158th
Rider A has over all better finish positions.
Something like that I guess.
It would be the reverse GC obviously (thanks gplama - TAN), but wouldn't they determine that as being the finishing order in the most recent stage...if rider's are on the same time?Trev_S said:
I see your point however... why only weight the order in the last stage 100% and give zero weighting to previous stages... if rider's are on the same time?
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