2nd Ave. Deli RIP



Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:18:13 -0600, Melba's Jammin'
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[email protected]>,
> > Boron Elgar <[email protected]> wrote:
> >(snip)
> >>
> >> I admit, having lived near the 2nd Ave Deli for years, that I grew to
> >> like it less and less as those years went by. I know that is not what
> >> most feel about it here, but I had to say it.
> >>
> >> Boron
> >
> >Did the quality of the food decline, your tastes change, or was it the
> >service? I've enjoyed their hospitality. I'm not treated here, in
> >restaurants I frequent regularly, as generously as I have been there, a
> >place I've been maybe once a year.
>
>
> I think the food changed. The chopped liver was better, the challah
> was moist and fresher, the tongue was nicer, the salami was
> impeccable...(of course, you cannot get good Jewish salami anywhere
> anymore the waiters were 90 years old and had been serving there
> since the year 1. The place was cleaner.
>
> Neither Katz's or The Carnegie stayed the same, either.
>
> The places I miss the most, though, are the dairy restaurants that
> used to be in the garment district. Those places were something else.
>
> I started going to all of them in the early 70s.

There are no kosher delis that are anywhere close to the quality that
existed in the early '70s, and even those didn't compare to those in
the '40s-'50s. Today there are no more kosher delis in NYC than
fingers on two hands. Your unborn grandchildren will very likely never
experience a kosher deli, none that close ever reopen... no one in
their right mind would consider operating a kosher deli nowadays. The
few decent ones still left are all in Brooklyn.

http://brooklyn.citysearch.com/sear...n, NY&pre_geo_id1=&started=1&hotelAttraction=

The 2nd Ave Deli closed for one reason and one reason only... the owner
got old, was time to retire.

Sheldon
 
On Sun 19 Feb 2006 08:24:19p, Thus Spake Zarathustra, or was it Edwin
Pawlowski?

>
> "Boron Elgar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> The places I miss the most, though, are the dairy restaurants that
>> used to be in the garment district. Those places were something else.
>>
>> I started going to all of them in the early 70s.
>>
>> Boron
>
> I used to like the Ambassador in Philly. It was on Girard Avenue. Last
> time I was there was about 25 years ago though. Yes, the waiters were
> all very old and had been there for many years.

It's usually like that in the grand old steakhouses, too. I've never seen a
young waiter in one.



--
Wayne Boatwright o¿o
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BIOYA
 
"Terry Pulliam Burd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:09:46 GMT, Ted Campanelli
> <[email protected]> rummaged among random neurons and opined:
>
>>This wasn't Katz's Deli in the Bowery, was it ?
>
> No. Completely different place. 2nd Ave. Deli is in Manhattan.
>

Bowery is a street and a neighborhood in Manhattan.
 
In article <[email protected]>,
me <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <V%[email protected]>,
> "Edwin Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "Stan Horwitz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > >
> > > I am not questioning the concern about the rental increase, but why not
> > > move the deli to a different location with lower rent?
> >
> > Where would that be? What about the existing walk in clientele and how
> > will
> > they maintain or attract new ones? Moving a business to a new neighborhood
> > can be death itself, or it can be the best thing that ever happened. Moving
> > around the corner can kill some trade. It is not always that simple, nor
> > it is cheap. New businesses have to comply with all the latest regulations
> > where an existing one may be grandfathered for certain improvements.
>
> As someone else already mentioned, the owner had offers from as
> close as a couple of blocks away. He already stated that he was on
> the hook for numerous (and expensive) code improvements at the
> existing location anyway. And 2nd Ave. was a long-time destination
> restaurant I'd bet most 2nd Ave. customers would walk or ride a
> couple blocks more to get there.

I just spoke on the phone with Margaret Suran, who just finished having
computer problems, so she's way behind with email and RFC. Margaret told
me the owner had an offer to move directly across the street and that he
made no attempt to acknowledge requests from his landlord to negotiate a
new lease. I suspect Sheldon is correct that he just wanted to get out
of the business, but its sad that he didn't even try to sell the 2nd
Ave. Deli to someone else ... or maybe he did.

At least I still have their cookbook!
 
Stan Horwitz wrote:
>
> I just spoke on the phone with Margaret Suran, who just finished having
> computer problems, so she's way behind with email and RFC. Margaret told
> me the owner had an offer to move directly across the street and that he
> made no attempt to acknowledge requests from his landlord to negotiate a
> new lease. I suspect Sheldon is correct that he just wanted to get out
> of the business, but its sad that he didn't even try to sell the 2nd
> Ave. Deli to someone else ... or maybe he did.
>
> At least I still have their cookbook!

The entire planet knew the business was available for offers... there
were no good faith offers, obviously. Offering a cheaper place to rent
is no offer at all, just some greedy jerks with empty storefronts. No
one in their right mind would choose to go into the kosher deli
business. There hasn't been a new kosher deli grand opening in at
least twenty years. Since some of yoose are so interested and think
the deal is so great why don't you buy it... because compared with the
kosher deli business coal mining is a piece of cake. And none of you
would have a clue where to begin... there's no kosher deli school, you
learn only from the cradle... and it's a far more difficult occupation
than coal mining, you answer to a far higher authority than the
UMWA.org.

Sheldon
 
"Sheldon" <[email protected]> wrote

> learn only from the cradle... and it's a far more difficult occupation
> than coal mining, you answer to a far higher authority than the
> UMWA.org.

Who?

nancy
 
Nancy Young wrote:
> "Sheldon" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>
>>learn only from the cradle... and it's a far more difficult occupation
>>than coal mining, you answer to a far higher authority than the
>>UMWA.org.
>
>
> Who?
>
> nancy
>
>

Alex, of course. Just ask Barbara. :eek:)
 
"Margaret Suran" <[email protected]> wrote

> Nancy Young wrote:
>> "Sheldon" <[email protected]> wrote

>>>learn only from the cradle... and it's a far more difficult occupation
>>>than coal mining, you answer to a far higher authority than the
>>>UMWA.org.

>> Who?

> Alex, of course. Just ask Barbara. :eek:)

Oh! Silly me ... tsk tsk ... I must pay closer attention.

(smile) nancy
 
Nancy Young wrote on 20 Feb 2006 in rec.food.cooking

> Who?
>
> nancy
>

Pssst! Nanners read your mail...

--
-Alan
 
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:41:00 -0500, "Nancy Young"
<[email protected]> rummaged among random neurons and opined:

>Have you tried the Carnegie Deli stuff you can get from
>Costco? I am quite happy with it, polished off the second
>packet when we got back from vacation. So good.
>
No - is it in the meat section or frozen? It's the marvelous,
handcarved pastrami that I can't find in Orange County. <sigh!>

Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

--
"If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

-- Duncan Hines

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"
 
"Terry Pulliam Burd" <[email protected]> wrote

> On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:41:00 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> <[email protected]> rummaged among random neurons and opined:
>
>>Have you tried the Carnegie Deli stuff you can get from
>>Costco? I am quite happy with it, polished off the second
>>packet when we got back from vacation. So good.
>>
> No - is it in the meat section or frozen? It's the marvelous,
> handcarved pastrami that I can't find in Orange County. <sigh!>

Dee Dee turned me on to it, I am continually whining about the
dirth of good deli sandwiches outside of NYC (smile) ... it's
in the case by the kielbasi? That type of stuff? It's in a black
box (that was my overall impression) with a neon sign saying
Carnegie Deli. The box contains two packets of pastrami, I
heated it in boiling water (ala boil-in bag).

It's great, and I froze one packet, it came out perfectly as well.

nancy
 
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:11:26 -0800, Terry Pulliam Burd
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:41:00 -0500, "Nancy Young"
><[email protected]> rummaged among random neurons and opined:
>
>>Have you tried the Carnegie Deli stuff you can get from
>>Costco? I am quite happy with it, polished off the second
>>packet when we got back from vacation. So good.
>>
>No - is it in the meat section or frozen? It's the marvelous,
>handcarved pastrami that I can't find in Orange County. <sigh!>
>
>Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd
>AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA

I have heard, that Langers Deli in Los Angeles has wonderful pastrami.
Have you tried it?

Christine
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Terry Pulliam Burd <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:41:00 -0500, "Nancy Young"
> <[email protected]> rummaged among random neurons and opined:
>
> >Have you tried the Carnegie Deli stuff you can get from
> >Costco? I am quite happy with it, polished off the second
> >packet when we got back from vacation. So good.
> >
> No - is it in the meat section or frozen? It's the marvelous,
> handcarved pastrami that I can't find in Orange County. <sigh!>

What about that deli in the Rodeo Drive area; I think its called Nate's
or Nick's. The food there was awesome that last time I was there, but
that was in 1999 when I tagged along with a friend to attend a science
fiction convention. Its a bit of a schlep from Orange County, but not
nearly as long as a cross country trip to Manhattan! Is that place still
there? I heard it was popular with the local show business celebrities.
 
Sheldon is, as usual, a total idiot.

Kosher delis open up all the time.

In other cities.

--Blair
 
At the risk of igniting a jihad:

I'm in So Cal, and upon my most recent visit to NYC a couple years ago I was
taken to one of the "big name" delis (I believe the Carnegie) for lunch.

I was anxious for some real corned beef, specifically a corned beef and Swiss
on rye.

No Could Do!

Now I really don't begrudge anyone their mythological quirks, but how in
Arthur's name can one consume a corned beef sandwich without cheese, ideally
Swiss??? And if some of their clientele choose to have the sandwich without
cheese, well fine - I don't like tomatos and always say "hold the tomatos" on
my Italian subs or whatever.

In fairness, while expensive, there was a substantial body of meat on the
sandwich and it was otherwise tasty.

Art
 
Arthur Shapiro wrote:
> At the risk of igniting a jihad:
>
> I'm in So Cal, and upon my most recent visit to NYC a couple years ago I was
> taken to one of the "big name" delis (I believe the Carnegie) for lunch.
>
> I was anxious for some real corned beef, specifically a corned beef and Swiss
> on rye.
>
> No Could Do!
>
> Now I really don't begrudge anyone their mythological quirks, but how in
> Arthur's name can one consume a corned beef sandwich without cheese, ideally
> Swiss??? And if some of their clientele choose to have the sandwich without
> cheese, well fine - I don't like tomatos and always say "hold the tomatos" on
> my Italian subs or whatever.
>
> In fairness, while expensive, there was a substantial body of meat on the
> sandwich and it was otherwise tasty.
>
> Art


It could not have been the Carnegie, which serves eggs with ham or
bacon and I know that they have a sandwich made with tongue, corned
beef and Swiss cheese on Rye bread, They also make ham and cheese
sandwiches. It had to be a kosher restaurant, perhaps Ben's. The
Stage is not kosher, either.
 
Arthur Shapiro wrote:
> At the risk of igniting a jihad:
>
> I'm in So Cal, and upon my most recent visit to NYC a couple years ago I was
> taken to one of the "big name" delis (I believe the Carnegie) for lunch.
>
> I was anxious for some real corned beef, specifically a corned beef and Swiss
> on rye.
>
> No Could Do!

Of course not, no dairy and meat, not at a kosher deli.

But The Carnegie is kosher style, not kosher.

If you were at The Carnegie they would have gladly served you cheese,
look at their menu: http://www.carnegiedeli.com

That said, being from S. Calif. you'd have no way to compare corned
beef, there is no _real_ corned beef west of Chicago, not now, never
was.
 
Sheldon spewed:

: That said, being from S. Calif. you'd have no way to compare corned
: beef, there is no _real_ corned beef west of Chicago, not now, never
: was.



Gawd Sheldon's an idiot - the above statement shows what a complete
ignoramus he really is! He lives in his own little world, outside
of it there is no other.
 
[email protected] wrote:
> Sheldon spewed:
>
> : That said, being from S. Calif. you'd have no way to compare corned
> : beef, there is no _real_ corned beef west of Chicago, not now, never
> : was.
>
> Gawd Sheldon's an idiot - the above statement shows what a complete
> ignoramus he really is! He lives in his own little world, outside
> of it there is no other.

So you've been lurking a day or so and figure that your entree is to
join the Sheldon bashers, huh? While you go look up 'hyberbole' take a
detour to see if you can find a sense of humor. There will be lots of
better occasions to bash him -- picking this one says more about you
than about him. -aem
 
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