2nd RFD: uk.rec.gps

Discussion in 'UK and Europe' started by Dave Fawthrop, Oct 10, 2004.



    This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the following changes
    in the uk.* Usenet hierarchy:

    create unmoderated newsgroup uk.rec.gps

    Newsgroup line:
    uk.rec.gps Use of Global Positioning Systems and radio navigation systems


    This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
    Further procedural details are given below.

    RATIONALE: uk.rec.gps, Second RFD

    Discussion of RFD1, and the previous thread showed that there will
    never be consensus on combining recreational, professional and
    technical posts. See http://tinyurl.com/5swwb for the reason this was
    included. Nevertheless reference to professional and technical posts
    has been deleted. Others may wish to RFD uk.tech.gps, or uk.sci.gps
    should they see fit.

    The first RFD only implied that other systems would be On Topic.
    Specific reference to the EU Galileo, and the Russian GLONASS systems,
    added. Also reference to radio navigation systems added.

    Support for this proposed ng from the combined threads stands at 24
    persons from across uk.* Most interestingly including 4 who are not
    subscribed to the obvious gps using ngs. Others are Motorcaravans 2,
    cars (various) 4, waterways 3, sailing 1, walking 5, scuba 2, sci 1,
    railways 1, motorcycles 1.

    RATIONALE: uk.rec.gps, First RFD

    The Global Positioning System (GPS) is run by the US Department of
    Defense using about 24 satellites in polar orbit. GPS receivers which
    now cost as little a GBP100 in a mobile phone sized case, use signals
    from these satellites to give a position accurate to a few meters. The
    more expensive versions may be combined with a mobile phone, personal
    organizer, palmtop, laptop computer, and may include map, car or
    person navigation software.

    GPS receivers are used in many recreational activities, walking,
    sailing, climbing, cycling, Geocaching, etc where it is useful to know
    where you are, and which direction to travel, speed etc. etc. in the
    middle of a moor, lake, sea, city or even motorway. Also such
    recreations as rocketry for altitude verification, tracking etc.

    Google groups shows that in uk.* newsgroups there have been more than
    800 threads mentioning GPS in the past year.

    Geocaching is a relatively new recreation, where a cache of objects of
    little value are placed in a waterproof box at stated coordinates
    where others can find them by GPS. The new "Right to Roam"
    legislation together with improvement in accuracy and falling prices may
    well catalyze other GPS based recreations.

    It is expected that uk.rec.gps will have general GPS threads, in the
    same way as uk.food+drink.misc, and other uk.* groups will have
    threads specific to their own charters. As an example the "GPS
    versus map and compass" debate will continue on uk.rec.walking for the
    foreseeable future. It is hoped that it may become a repository for
    uk.* expertise on GPS.

    A thread subject "uk.rec.gps anybody" Raised 16 people in favour of
    this newsgroup, and many who wished to continue ???+gps threads on

    The vast majority of GPS posts on uk.* are recreational, so
    positioning this group in the uk.rec hierarchy seems reasonable.
    The word "recreational" has however been omitted from the charter, so
    Professional and Scientific GPS posts will not be Off Topic.

    Various other ng names including satellite-nav have been suggested.
    Google groups lists only 40 uk.* threads mentioning satellite-nav in
    the past year, which indicates that British English usage is for GPS
    rather than satellite-nav. Also not all uses of GPS are
    navigational, for geocaching only a position is important.

    Various suggestions have been made about the effect uk.rec.gps would
    have on the uk.* hierarchy. I will have only one vote in any such
    developments, but I would prefer to see uk.rec.gps.garmin etc. but
    uk.rec.geocaching should anyone in the future see fit to raise such

    There are various alt.* GPS groups with the usual alt.* USA bias and
    propagation problems, also sci.geo.satellite-nav for the scientific
    community. Also several national gps newsgroups. It is suggested
    that a uk newsgroup would be advantageous to discuss uk specific
    subjects, such as OS mapping, laws, regulations etc.

    The number of newsgroups this RFD should be crossposted to has caused
    problems because Control, understandably, objected to 29 group
    crossposting and insisted on only 6 newsgroups plus uk.net.news.announce,

    I used google groups to count the number of threads mentioning GPG
    in the last year see below. I have chosen the six newsgroups with most
    threads mentioning GPS in the last year:
    uk.rec.cycling, 88 uk.rec.driving, 67
    uk.rec.motorcycles, 117 uk.rec.sailing, 102
    uk.rec.walking, 287 uk.telecom.mobile, 66

    This means that many uk.* newsgroups which have demonstrated an
    interest in GPS will not be officially informed of this RFD.
    These are:
    uk.sci.astronomy, 50 uk.business.agriculture, 23
    uk.radio.amateur, 32 uk.railway, 41
    uk.rec.audio.car, 16 uk.rec.boats.power, 4
    uk.rec.camping, 5 uk.rec.caravanning, 29
    uk.rec.cars.4x4, 6 uk.rec.cars.maintenance, 20
    uk.rec.cars.misc, 44 uk.rec.cars.modifications, 33
    uk.rec.climbing, 6 uk.rec.models.engineering, 2
    uk.rec.motorcaravans, 6 uk.rec.running, 18
    uk.rec.scuba, 27 uk.rec.waterways, 18
    uk.tech.rocketry, 8 uk.transport. 33

    Importantly, a response to the previous thread "uk.rec.gps anybody"
    asked that one of the uninformed ones uk.tech.rocketry (8 posts)
    be informed of the thread.

    CHARTER: uk.rec.gps

    This newsgroup is for the discussion of all aspects of the UK
    recreational use of the US Department of Defense Global Positioning
    System, the EU Galileo, the Russian GLONASS systems, and any other
    satellite positioning/navigation systems which may be developed. Also
    any improvements, or extensions to the above. Also radio navigation
    systems. GPS threads also occur on other uk.* newsgroups where they
    may be On Topic.


    Advertising is forbidden, with these exceptions:

    Suppliers of goods and services relevant to GPS in the UK
    may post an invitation to visit their web site or request details.
    It should be of four lines or fewer and not posted more than once
    every 3 months. The subject line should begin "ADVERT: ",
    except for vacancy adverts, when it should begin "JOB: ".

    Advertisements of Geocaches are allowed,
    the Subject: field should be of the form
    "GEOCACHE: " <8 or 10 figure National Grid Reference of cache>
    Followed by a short description of its position etc.

    Binaries & Formatting

    Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are
    forbidden. Such material belongs on a web or FTP site to which
    a pointer may be posted. Cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP)
    may be used where authentication is important and should be as
    short as possible.

    Posts must be readable as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly
    formatted messages are prohibited. To see how to make some
    common newsreaders comply with this, read

    Warning. Anyone posting contrary to this charter may be reported to
    their "postmaster" and/or Service Provider.



    This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase of
    the process, any potential problems with the proposal should be raised
    and resolved. The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 10
    days, starting from when this RFD is posted to uk.net.news.announce
    (i.e. until October 21st) after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be
    posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it.
    Alternatively, the proposal may proceed by the fast-track method. Please
    do not attempt to vote until this happens.

    This RFD attempts to comply fully with the "Guidelines for Group Creation
    within the UK Hierarchy" as published regularly in uk.net.news.announce.
    Please refer to this document if you have any questions about the process.


    This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

    Dave Fawthrop <[email protected]>

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