3 Peaks challenge in October

Discussion in 'General Fitness' started by Alex, Aug 22, 2004.

  1. Alex

    Alex Guest

    Hi,

    I was thinking of doing the 3 peaks challenge (with a group of people)
    during the first or second weekend of October.

    Could anyone offer advice as to how feasible and/or safe it is to be
    climbing that time of the year.

    Thanks in advance,

    Alex
     
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  2. RJ Webb

    RJ Webb Guest

    On 22 Aug 2004 15:18:44 -0700, [email protected] (Alex) wrote:

    >Hi,
    >
    >I was thinking of doing the 3 peaks challenge (with a group of people)
    >during the first or second weekend of October.
    >
    >Could anyone offer advice as to how feasible and/or safe it is to be
    >climbing that time of the year.
    >
    >Thanks in advance,



    Before the predictable starts......

    NOt advised in a 24hour period - you will be out in the dark a lot,
    those doing that usually play in June/July - Bloody daft idea anyway
    as I am sure others will tell you.

    As 3 separate trips should be OK, but depending on the weather, Ben
    Nevis in particular could be affected by snow. - probably will be
    snowy on top.

    Of course that time of year is often stormy - but in a year like this
    would you notice any difference with summer?

    Richard Webb
     
  3. Alex wrote:

    > Hi,
    >
    > I was thinking of doing the 3 peaks challenge (with a group of people)
    > during the first or second weekend of October.
    >
    > Could anyone offer advice as to how feasible and/or safe it is to be
    > climbing that time of the year.
    >
    > Thanks in advance,
    >
    > Alex

    Which 3 peaks? Pen-y-ghent, Ingleborough & Whernside? Ben Nevis,
    Scafell Pike & Snowdon? Or do you have something else in mind?

    This question is likely to generate strong opinions on the subject, both
    pro & anti. Have a look at http://www.3peaksdiary.co.uk/index.html
    which 'attempts to highlight the bad and the good side to the challenge,
    so that everyone may benefit'


    --
    Dave McLaughlin

    Homo Sapiens Non Urinat In Ventum
     
  4. Alex

    Alex Guest

    Thanks for the responses. The peaks are 'the' 3 peaks: Ben Nevis,
    Scafell Pike & Snowdon.

    Appreciate that it will be dark during some of the time, is it still
    'safe' given cautious climbing and the fact that the routes are well
    marked. Also which would be the most sensible order (North-South or
    South-North)?

    cheers,

    Alex
     
  5. RJ Webb

    RJ Webb Guest


    >Appreciate that it will be dark during some of the time, is it still
    >'safe' given cautious climbing and the fact that the routes are well
    >marked. Also which would be the most sensible order (North-South or
    >South-North)?


    Dont know.. They are almost as daft as one an other..

    Decide which hill you would rather do while knackered - Snowdon or
    Nevis and finish on that. However bearing in mind that outwith times
    of lying snow, Snowdon has an easy descent to Llanberis while Nevis
    has a few nasty navigational traps on it, I would go for North South.

    Getting off Snowdon in the dark while tired is probably a far easier
    end to your trip than getting off Nevis.

    Another advantage is that your walk up Ben Nevis will show the wonders
    of neighbouring peaks and you will want to stay and do some of those
    instead of slogging off down the A82 and motorway :)

    Richard Webb
     
  6. Andrew

    Andrew Guest

    On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 16:43:25 GMT, "spongebob" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >The routes are not well marked, it's quite easy for example to get
    >lost in the dark on Scafell if you're doing it from Seathwaite. People
    >have died on Snowdon and Nevis from straying off route. If your night
    >nav is good then ok, but don't assume it will be easy to stay on
    >route.


    I am new to this group and no expert, but I have been to the top of
    Nevis and certainly wouldn't want to do it at night, especially
    without knowing the lie of the land, the top part is deceptive even
    during the day.
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  7. spongebob

    spongebob Guest

    "Alex" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Thanks for the responses. The peaks are 'the' 3 peaks: Ben Nevis,
    > Scafell Pike & Snowdon.
    >
    > Appreciate that it will be dark during some of the time, is it still
    > 'safe' given cautious climbing and the fact that the routes are well
    > marked.


    The routes are not well marked, it's quite easy for example to get
    lost in the dark on Scafell if you're doing it from Seathwaite. People
    have died on Snowdon and Nevis from straying off route. If your night
    nav is good then ok, but don't assume it will be easy to stay on
    route.

    Graham
     
  8. Ed Whittaker

    Ed Whittaker Guest

    [email protected] (Alex) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Hi,
    >
    > I was thinking of doing the 3 peaks challenge (with a group of people)
    > during the first or second weekend of October.
    >
    > Could anyone offer advice as to how feasible and/or safe it is to be
    > climbing that time of the year.
    >
    > Thanks in advance,
    >
    > Alex


    Whats you and your friends level of experience? Are you suitably
    equiped and know how to use it? Would you or whoever is leading be
    happy to take up a group in awful conditions/at night on mountains
    where a navigational error could be fatal?

    From your question, I suspect the answere is no. I`m not knocking the
    Three Peaks, i`ve done it myself but suspect you would have a safer
    and more enjoyable time doing it in say, June/July when there is no
    need to walk in the dark and the weather should be better. If you do
    decide to do it, do Nevis in the light.

    (Of course it goes without saying that you will have two drivers, not
    count the motorway driving/speed, be well equiped, leave the residents
    of Wasdale in peace, etc...)

    Ed.
     
  9. jhiker

    jhiker Guest

    I should try and go a bit earlier in the year when the evenings are
    lighter for longer. Go north to south starting with Nevis
    mid-afternoon. This will put you on Scafell in the early hours. Park
    at the Wastwater car park (it's a much shorter trek to the summit than
    from Seathwaite). You'll be up & down in the dark but that needn't
    worry you - Scafell isn't difficult to navigate
    Back down the M6 (pausing for an indeterminate time in the bloody
    Thelwall traffic jam and get to Pen-y-Pass late morning.Up & down the
    Pyg track and you've done it - you'll even have time for a brew at the
    top.

    If the weather's grotty on Nevis take a bearing at the top of the
    zig-zags - it's easy to carry on too far and end up in the gully
    ahead!

    Good luck.

    If it helps your planning our timings for the hills (up & down again)
    were:
    BN 4hr 40min
    SF 3hr.30min
    Sn 4hr.15min
     
  10. Mike Clark

    Mike Clark Guest

    In article <[email protected]>, jhiker
    <URL:mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
    > I should try and go a bit earlier in the year when the evenings are
    > lighter for longer.


    Better still, don't do it at all.

    "Robbing Peter to pay Paul"

    <URL:http://www.thebmc.co.uk/safety/advice/articles/issue28_3peaks.pdf>

    Mike
    --
    o/ \\ // || ,_ o Mike Clark, "An antibody engineer who also
    <\__,\\ // __o || / /\, likes the mountains"
    "> || _`\<,_ // \\ \> | Cambridge Climbing and Caving Club
    ` || (_)/ (_) // \\ \_ <URL:http://www.path.cam.ac.uk/~mrc7/cccc/>
     
  11. Mike Clark

    Mike Clark Guest

    In article <[email protected]>, Mike Clark
    <URL:mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>, jhiker
    > <URL:mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
    > > I should try and go a bit earlier in the year when the evenings are
    > > lighter for longer.

    >
    > Better still, don't do it at all.
    >
    > "Robbing Peter to pay Paul"
    >
    > <URL:http://www.thebmc.co.uk/safety/advice/articles/issue28_3peaks.pdf>
    >
    > Mike


    and also

    "OUTDOORSmagic Insider - Three Peaks Challenge - A Local's View"

    <URL:http://www.outdoorsmagic.com/news/article.asp?UAN=1505>



    Mike
    --
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    <\__,\\ // __o || / /\, likes the mountains"
    "> || _`\<,_ // \\ \> | Cambridge Climbing and Caving Club
    ` || (_)/ (_) // \\ \_ <URL:http://www.path.cam.ac.uk/~mrc7/cccc/>
     
  12. Peter Clinch

    Peter Clinch Guest

    Alex wrote:

    > Appreciate that it will be dark during some of the time, is it still
    > 'safe' given cautious climbing and the fact that the routes are well
    > marked.


    Define "safe"... People have fallen off the top of the Ben before now,
    including ones that generally knew what they were doing.

    Further bear in mind the links Mike has posted, and beyond that further
    bear in mind that a large component of the "challenge" is driving like
    numpties when dog tired, as there's a lot of distance to be covered. I
    wouldn't say that's high on my list of "safe" things.

    Put another way, why not think of something which is just as challenging
    but doesn't cause the problems highlighted in the links Mike posted?
    You can have more opportunity for a good time, spend less on the
    logistics and so earn more for your charity of choice.

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email protected] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
     
  13. Rob Naylor

    Rob Naylor Guest

    "jhiker" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > I should try and go a bit earlier in the year when the evenings are
    > lighter for longer. Go north to south starting with Nevis
    > mid-afternoon. This will put you on Scafell in the early hours. Park
    > at the Wastwater car park (it's a much shorter trek to the summit than
    > from Seathwaite).


    Which is *exactly* contrary to the ICFM and National Park guidelines, which
    were put in place to prevent disturbance to Wasdale residents by groups of
    people arriving/ leaving in the early hours after years of complaints and
    some people getting to tje point of threatening violence.

    Rob
     
  14. Roger

    Roger Guest

    Just a gentle reminder to those wishing to undertake this challenge -
    don't cheat. Completion is worthless if you (like 99% of those who try
    it these days) cheat and leave out the first and last sections. So don't
    cheat - start and finish with your feet in the sea.

    The rules for the challenge were laid down long before the professional
    fund raisers lit upon it as a useful way of separating the punters from
    their hard earned cash while making a very good living for themselves
    and as neither any motorway nor the Ballachulish Bridge existed back
    then I think it is morally reprehensible to use either on this
    challenge. OTOH neither did the national speed limits so feel free to
    read the round traffic sign with the diagonal black bar as originally
    designed (as a derestriction sign) and ignore those silly socialist
    limits.

    --
    Roger Chapman so far this year 39 summits
    New - 22 (Marilyns 8, Sweats 5, Outlying Fells 11)
    Repeats - 17( Marilyns 6, Sweats 12, Wainwrights 11)
    Knackered knee - 4 times
     
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