30 Days - NO BEER



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I feel better knowing I don't support a company that kidnaps, tortures and kills union leaders.
 
Originally Posted by Volnix

Veeegans!!! Where are the Vegans? We need to hear why eating meat so bad again!
It depends on the kind of meat. Unprocessed poultry and unpolluted fish both seem to have more benefits than drawbacks.

It's red meat consumption, even unprocessed red meat consumption, and even at 1 serving per day, that has been linked with increased risk of cardiovascular disease, diabetes, cancer, and overall mortality. Now this isn't to say that red meat is always unhealthy. It merely means that the risks of eating red meat outweigh the potential benefits even when it's 1 daily serving of unprocessed red meat.

Who knows what exactly this means. The statistic reflects a weighted average. It's like having the output of an expected value calculation, but not knowing what the input variables were. If red meat has potential benefits, then the potential harms are outweighing those benefits because the harms are either (a) consistent but subtle, (b) infrequent but intense, or (c) some of each. To elaborate, do the risks outweigh the benefits because (a) red meat is harmful more frequently than beneficial, for example because it often gives people more cholesterol than they need; (b) was the statistic skewed by rare but intense harms, for example the occasional unlucky ******* who contracts mad cow disease; or (c) does it have both frequent harms and the potential for intense harms? On the other hand, maybe the potential harms are both infrequent and subtle, but they still overpower because the potential benefits are virtually non-existent. Further investigation is needed to make this determination; the statistic only tells us the weighted average, not the individual variables involved.

Maybe it's just because most people already get enough protein, choline, cholesterol, etc. without red meat, nullifying most of its benefits.

But of course the above assumes that there were no confounding variables. The Harvard epidemiological studies controlled for a lot of variables, but had they controlled for everything, they would be calling it an "experiment" instead of a "study".
 
Originally Posted by urge2kill
The Harvard epidemiological studies controlled for a lot of variables

I was at an Orthopedic doctor's practice ones in order to get some treatment for some back pains that I had.

Whilst discussing drugs we were talking about a drug that got banned in Ireland and some other countries and the doctor's explanation was that it was because of "One person, once, 20 years ago" or something.
 
That's what calculating standard deviation is for. With a large sample size, that single case alone would hardly impact the results. If the sample was small enough, that single case would raise the standard deviation, making the results less confident.

This was a 30-year study on nurses who regularly updated information on their recent diet.

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/03/red-meat-raises-red-flags/
Quote: The researchers, including senior author Frank Hu, professor of nutrition and epidemiology at HSPH, and colleagues, prospectively observed 37,698 men from the Health Professionals Follow-Up Study for up to 22 years and 83,644 women in the Nurses’ Health Study for up to 28 years who were free of cardiovascular disease and cancer at baseline. Their diets were assessed through questionnaires every four years.

However, the study was conducted in the United States—that's where Harvard uniiversity is—, so they aren't directly applicable to you. The red meat in Germany could be different in many ways. Maybe they use less hormones, use less chemicals, or use better disease-control practices. Here in the U.S., our grocery stores still stock a chicken company that was banned in Mexico for its high rates of contamination. Banned in MEXICO!!!
 
Originally Posted by urge2kill
However, the study was conducted in the United States—that's where Harvard uniiversity is—, so they aren't directly applicable to you. The red meat in Germany could be different in many ways. Maybe they use less hormones, use less chemicals, or use better disease-control practices. Here in the U.S., our grocery stores still stock a chicken company that was banned in Mexico for its high rates of contamination. Banned in MEXICO!!!

I don't know about Germany, but I was in Austria for a year or so and (not being "ethnicist" or something, that's discussed in that "other" thread
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) these people have a serious eating disorder.

Apparently they have some form of "food eclectic disorder", where the food has to be "BIO" or "Organic" or "Local" or whatever.

The red meat, especially the minced beef which I was buying to make some burgers was just Ok, sometimes not even Ok...

The minced beef that I get from the butcher shop in a village around here is about 20times better and it's not advertised as Organic or anything like that. Sometimes there is some free-range stuff though.
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All "BIO", "Organic" etc are basically companies. The "Ja Naturlich" for example in Austria, is a company that sells it's badge to food companies that follow a specific method in agriculture.

If they didn't use any chemicals that are not "approved" for a "Ja naturlich" badge, doesn't mean that the final product is good. Plus not many people pay 3 times the price for the Organic ones so they sit on the shelf longer and it's hard to get any fresh Organic produce.

I had lot's of luck with small independent farmer's markets.
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swampy1970 said:
30 days and no beer? I don't think that's even possible, even if you get thrown in jail...
I'm with this guy.... I have a hard time going 3 days... This week tho, I am aiming for 5...😜
 
Originally Posted by pmallett


I'm with this guy.... I have a hard time going 3 days... This week tho, I am aiming for 5...😜
Good luck with that. I find I can't drink when i'm training a lot.
 
Here was my routine for a decade or two -

Drink Beer at 5pm
Drink Wine with dinner
Drink bourbon after dinner
Wake up feeling groggy
Make a fried egg sandwich
Eat a big lunch
Too groggy for exercise
Go to bed and sleep like ****

Wash and repeat.

Then on January 1 2014 I quit alcohol.

Now

Eat a good breakfast - fruit/cereal
Take a long bike ride
Have a good healthy lunch
Take a walk or whatever - maybe do a bit of work!
Cook a good dinner with real ingredients
Sleep like a baby
Wake up refreshed.

Quitting booze was the catalyst, I couldn't cut back 'cos I was teetering on alcoholism. So it was cold turkey in place of the wild variety.

Since Jan I've lost 90 pounds. Only another 5 or so to go.

My cycling is great, having a blast.

Don't get me wrong, I love beer, it just doesn't love me.
 
Originally Posted by rooze
Here was my routine for a decade or two -

Drink Beer at 5pm
Drink Wine with dinner
Drink bourbon after dinner
Wake up feeling groggy
Make a fried egg sandwich
Eat a big lunch
Too groggy for exercise
Go to bed and sleep like ****

Wash and repeat.

Then on January 1 2014 I quit alcohol.

Now

Eat a good breakfast - fruit/cereal
Take a long bike ride
Have a good healthy lunch
Take a walk or whatever - maybe do a bit of work!
Cook a good dinner with real ingredients
Sleep like a baby
Wake up refreshed.

Quitting booze was the catalyst, I couldn't cut back 'cos I was teetering on alcoholism. So it was cold turkey in place of the wild variety.

Since Jan I've lost 90 pounds. Only another 5 or so to go.

My cycling is great, having a blast.

Don't get me wrong, I love beer, it just doesn't love me.

Good job switching hobbies.
 
I know that beer is very popular, but I have never liked it. I drink tea by the bucket load though, which I know is not for everyone. However being from Britain it is typically British. What I didn't know until relatively recently was just how healthy it is. It's full of antioxidants and it has fat burning qualities. In combination with exercise it really helps to speed up your metabolism. I suggest that if you swap your beer for tea for thirty days, you will really notice the benefits.
 
unless you compete at a decent level combining work training and family life diet is secondary to the actual training you do . most riders have already levelled out on performance so drinking moderatly will do no harm
 
A man went to his doctor and asked, "Doc, what do I need to do to live to be 100 years old?"

The doctor replied, "Well, don't smoke, don't drink, and don't sleep around."

"Why the heck would I want to live to 100 then?"


The key to alcohol consumption is moderation--it's been shown to have healthy effects on the body in small amounts, such as 1-2 drinks per day. 30 beers per week far exceeds that. And, honestly, I know quite a few people who don't drink at all and could stand to chillax and have a couple pints.
 
Originally Posted by jpr95
it's been shown to have healthy effects on the body in small amounts, such as 1-2 drinks per day.
That's only true for middle-aged people. Same goes for masturbation.
 
The last beer I had (and almost the last alcoholic drink - would've had say 3 glasses of wine since) was when I was 20 years old. I hardly drank then so my reasoning for stopping wasn't about addiction etc.

I'm 52 now.

Going Teetotal was one of the best decisions I've ever made.

Its one of the best decisions ANYONE can make
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[SIZE=11pt]I don’t know if I can do this. I really love beer and usually have at least once a week. But I will try this because I am inspired by this challenge. I have only tried drinking no beer for one week during a week before an event. [/SIZE]
 
That's great to hear, congratulations, and I wish you luck to keep up the good work and don't drink alcohol. :)
 
Wow. That must have taken a lot of discipline on your part to cut out 30 bottles a week. Also, 7,800 calories gone within days. How did you body react to that? Congratulations though, I see that you are already seeing the benefits. Keep going my friend!