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SumBuny wrote:

> "CBI" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > "Joni Rathbun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > If I worked those "holiday breaks" (officially) my salary would be
> > > approximately $5000 more than it is per year.
> >
> > So if you don't work the holiday your check is the same but if you do it
> is
> > larger than normal. And you don't think this means it is a paid vacation
> > day?
>
> ????
>
> When I was a bank teller, I worked 8 hour days, 5 days a week. If I worked
> on Saturday, I got paid more for that day.
>
> So, are you saying that for those working 5 day workweeks, Saturdays are
> paid vacation days?
>
> Buny

WHUT in the consarned heyull does this have to dew with HEYULTH??? B-0b1
 
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:32:27 GMT, [email protected] (Alberto
Moreira) wrote:

>Said JZAH <[email protected]> :
>
>>I didn't say yours was either. I was referring to Alberto's posts.
>>I'm only wishing for a discussion, rather than an attack. I don't
>>think it's an impossible dream, however improbable it may be. The
>>entire Arab world or the Muslim faith should not be the subject of
>>whatever someone writes in reply when neither the entire Arab world or
>>the Muslim faith have anything at all o do with the thread.
>>Otherwise, the poster is attacking millions of diverse peoples and
>>calling into question my right to comment on whatever it is.
>
>Alberto couldn't care less what faith you belong to - to him, your
>faith's no better than anyone else's.

Alberto does indeed care what faith he thinks the Arab belongs to,
since he took the Arab's discussion about early America & made it into
a discussion about Arabs & Islam. There is nothing whatsoever in what
the Arab wrote that related to Islam or to all things Arab.

>Alberto attacks ATTITUDE, especially the attitude issues that result from
>some posts he has read.

Alberto doesn't grasp the meaning of the Arab's post. If he did, he
would not have written a totally irrelevant bigot's screed against
Arab people & Islam.

>Furthermore, Alberto firmly believes in separating religion from a lot
>of things, not just only politics. So, the moment you separate
>yourself because of your religion, you may be attracting Alberto's
>objections - and he doesn't care if you're part of Islam, or Jewish,
>or Protestant, or even Catholic as Alberto is.

Alberto needs an eye examination. At no time did the Arab refer to
religion or to Islam. This particular Arab is not even a Muslim, much
less a Muslim inclined to educate Alberto about Islam.

>Point being: to Alberto, the word "Zionist" draws from him the same
>reaction the world "******" does: he invokes Godwyn's law.

Alberto needs an education, too. Zionism is not a religion. It is a
complex political movement that has strong historical & cultural ties
with German national socialism & western colonialism. That Alberto is
unable to distinguish between Judaism and Zionism isn't surprising,
though. There are lots of Jews who don't know there's a difference,
either, & lsome who don't want anyone to think there is a difference..

>Want to debate with Alberto ? If so, you can start by stop hiding
>behind your religion or your ethnicity.

The Arab does not see any value in debating Alberto when he either has
not understood what he is replying to, or just wants an excuse to vent
his anti-Arab biases.

>The things that Alberto cares
>for far transcend religion or ethnicity, so, hide behind either at
>your own risk. I couldn't care less if you're an Arab, or if you're a
>Moslem, in fact, I don't give a jota about your faith. But I do care
>when I see faith interfering with common sense, and again, I'll point
>those out whenever I see them - and I don't care which religion I'm
>talking about.

Alberto needs to read some books that aren't for coloring in & *then*
get back to the Arab on these weighty topics.

JZAH
 
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:29:38 GMT, "CBI" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
><[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> For those who reject that argument (on whatever grounds), I offer the
>> following which I consider conclusive: There have been occasions when
>> I and my colleagues HAVE worked during a vacation or holiday period.
>> We were ALWAYS paid a per diem for that work. Therefore, CLEARLY, the
>> district does not consider vacation or holidays as being "paid".
>> Since THEY are the employer, and since THEY have a vested interest in
>> considering these as "paid vacations" and DO NOT, then CLEARLY they
>> ARE NOT "paid vacations".
>>
>> In the face of both arguments, anyone claiming we have "paid
>> vacations" is either illogical, unable to read, or purposefully dense.
>
>Way to keep an open mind. Whatever, if you are going to declare that anyone
>who dares disagree with you must have something wrong with them then there
>is no point. it is one thing to have a firm opinion. Maintaining that it is
>impossible for you to be wrong is a different matter (and there is a word
>for it).
>
>The sad part is that you don't see the obvious flaw in the logic above.

Declaring that there is something wrong with your opponent's brain is
a longstanding debate tactic around here. So don't fight tradition.
But aside from that, I think it's only fair to warn you that you have
been contradicted by much reasonable and quantifiable evidence. If
you don't concede on this point, don't be surprised if nobody has much
regard for any other stands you take.

JZAH
 
"Magi D. Shepley" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> That's like saying that all teachers should be willing to work with
> parents. They should be, but we all know that they don't.
> I've interviewed primary care docs in the last 3 years since I started
> seeing a specialist on a regular basis that tell me they aren't
> interested in what my specialist has to say nor do they care. I hang up
> the phone at that point and don't even bother to make an appointment.
> This may be some of the problem with my finding a new primary care
> doctor, but I don't think so. This hasn't been a majority.

I think you are better off without those guys.
 
"SumBuny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> What about those who do not choose to have their 183 days' paychecks
> distributed over 365 days? IIRC, the claim was that they got the summers
as
> "paid vacations" because they received a check...what happens to those who
> do not?

I've tuned into and out of this thread a few times so maybe someone else
said that. I have made a point of not including the summer layoff.
 
"Donna Metler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> My last paycheck in December and 1st paycheck in January are both for 1
> week, not two, because of the two week Winter Break. Similarly, there is a
> paycheck in the spring which is for 1 week due to Spring break. So, no,
> those are NOT paid holidays.

Then in your case I agree.
 
"SumBuny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "CBI" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > And once again - I'm not saying they don' t have legitimate gripes -
just
> > that I don't think the work schedule is one of them (other than the no
> > bathroom break thing - that is tough).
>
>
> IIRC, this thread *started* as a cross-post from alt.support.attn-deficit
on
> the subject of ADHD. Then, somewhere along the line a poster claimed that
> "teachers have it easy because they only work 6 hours and have long
> 'vacations' over the summers". The response from actual teachers that
this
> is not true was to be expected--because it is not true...

I don't think it is true either. I didn't make that claim.
 
"JZAH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Declaring that there is something wrong with your opponent's brain is
> a longstanding debate tactic around here. So don't fight tradition.

Doesn't say much for the level of discourse of the group. In most circles it
is a tactic taken by those on the losing end.


> But aside from that, I think it's only fair to warn you that you have
> been contradicted by much reasonable and quantifiable evidence.

Nah. Several people (but not all) have expressed contrary opinions but I
think it is one of those things that can't really be proved.


> If
> you don't concede on this point, don't be surprised if nobody has much
> regard for any other stands you take.

Why ask them to change now?
 
"CBI" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "JZAH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > Declaring that there is something wrong with your opponent's brain is
> > a longstanding debate tactic around here. So don't fight tradition.
>
> Doesn't say much for the level of discourse of the group. In most circles
it
> is a tactic taken by those on the losing end.
>
>
> > But aside from that, I think it's only fair to warn you that you have
> > been contradicted by much reasonable and quantifiable evidence.
>
> Nah. Several people (but not all) have expressed contrary opinions but I
> think it is one of those things that can't really be proved.

Actually, it has been thoroughly proved. You just choose to believe what
you want to believe. The exact wording of at least one contract has been
presented to you. Evidence that days outside of the specifically identified
days are paid as extra days, even though they fall during your "paid
holiday" period has been presented to you. The fact that a day missed from
work is docked as 1/183 rather than 1/194 (which would include holidays in
the annual total) has been presented. But you stubbornly insist that your
take on the issue is the correct one, and that all of us who are actually a
part of the system and negotiate for our contracts don't have a clue. I,
for one, know the facts about the contract I sign. I believe that would
leave you as the one with an opinion.
>
>
> > If
> > you don't concede on this point, don't be surprised if nobody has much
> > regard for any other stands you take.
>
> Why ask them to change now?
>
>
 
"Donna Metler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "CBI" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Donna Metler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > > Teaching is the only profession I know of where you can be held
> > responsible
> > > for what happens when you're not there.
> >
> > What?
> >
> > Medicine (including nursing and pharmacy) Wrong. Nurses are not held
accountable for what happens on their shift when they are not there.
Doctors are not held accountable for what happens on their shift when they
are not there.

> > Law
True and untrue . When my husband is on vacation, another lawyer makes his
apperances. He is responsible for his paperwork.

> > Engineering
Don't know enough about the profession.
> > Accounting

Nonsense. My father was a CPA. He had his accounts. He got them in order
before he left for vacation and expected the junior accountants to put out
fires while he was gone.

> > What profession can't be?
> >
> Do you have to find your substitute, write the plans, create the
materials,
> and be tested on what the patients do when you're not there? If you have a
> substitute doctor or lawyer, can the regular one be sued for malpractice
or
> disbarred? A classroom teacher is held accountable for their student's
> performance, regardless of whether the teacher is physically present or
not.
Excellent questions!
~Cate

--
"Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin
 
"Seveigny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Donna Metler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > "CBI" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "Donna Metler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > > Teaching is the only profession I know of where you can be held
> > > responsible
> > > > for what happens when you're not there.
> > >
> > > What?
> > >
> > > Medicine (including nursing and pharmacy) Wrong. Nurses are not held
> accountable for what happens on their shift when they are not there.
> Doctors are not held accountable for what happens on their shift when they
> are not there.

Wrong. I don't even know where to begin on this one. There are many ways
that a doctor can be held responsible for things that happen when he is not
there.



> > > Accounting
>
> Nonsense. My father was a CPA. He had his accounts. He got them in order
> before he left for vacation and expected the junior accountants to put out
> fires while he was gone.

And if they do not do an adequate job the main accountant will be held
responsible for not putting things in order well enough and finding adequate
coverage.


>
> > > What profession can't be?
> > >
> > Do you have to find your substitute, write the plans, create the
> materials,
> > and be tested on what the patients do when you're not there?

Yes. Commonly docs that work shifts are expected to find replacements when
they are sick. Docs in private practice often hire "Locum Tenens"
substitutes to take their place and the doc is responsible for what his
replacement does and is expected to know what happened while he was gone.


> If you have a
> > substitute doctor or lawyer, can the regular one be sued for malpractice
> or
> > disbarred?

Disbarred? - I don't know. He certainly can lose standing and clients over
what his replacement does.

Malpractice? - Yes.

--
00doc
 
"CBI" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Donna Metler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > My last paycheck in December and 1st paycheck in January are both for 1
> > week, not two, because of the two week Winter Break. Similarly, there is
a
> > paycheck in the spring which is for 1 week due to Spring break. So, no,
> > those are NOT paid holidays.
>
> Then in your case I agree.

Well then, you'll have to agree in all of the cases. All teachers are paid
in the same manner.
~Cate
 
On Mon, 20 Oct 2003, Seveigny wrote:

>
> "CBI" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Donna Metler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > > My last paycheck in December and 1st paycheck in January are both for 1
> > > week, not two, because of the two week Winter Break. Similarly, there is
> a
> > > paycheck in the spring which is for 1 week due to Spring break. So, no,
> > > those are NOT paid holidays.
> >
> > Then in your case I agree.
>
> Well then, you'll have to agree in all of the cases. All teachers are paid
> in the same manner.
> ~Cate

I even receive my last paycheck in December -- FOR DECEMBER -- BEFORE
Winter Break begins. I receive no check at all from those two weeks.
I wait an ADDITIONAL two weeks for the next check because it only
covers the first two weeks in January.

It was the same in my previous district. My December check came
before Winter Break ... so I went an additional two weeks without a
check.
 
"CBI" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Seveigny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Donna Metler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "CBI" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > "Donna Metler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > > Teaching is the only profession I know of where you can be held
> > > > responsible
> > > > > for what happens when you're not there.
> > > >
> > > > What?
> > > >
> > > > Medicine (including nursing and pharmacy) Wrong. Nurses are not
held
> > accountable for what happens on their shift when they are not there.
> > Doctors are not held accountable for what happens on their shift when
they
> > are not there.
>
> Wrong. I don't even know where to begin on this one. There are many ways
> that a doctor can be held responsible for things that happen when he is
not
> there.

Okay, let's leave doctors out the question. How about nurses?

>
>
> > > > Accounting
> >
> > Nonsense. My father was a CPA. He had his accounts. He got them in
order
> > before he left for vacation and expected the junior accountants to put
out
> > fires while he was gone.
>
> And if they do not do an adequate job the main accountant will be held
> responsible for not putting things in order well enough and finding
adequate
> coverage.

Incorrect. Most accountants work for accounting firms. The firm hires the
junior accountants and places them in support positions for senior
accountants. If the junior accountants screw up, they are fired or
disciplined. The senior accountant fixes the problem and soothes the
client's feelings. Now, most accounting firms will not allow their
personnel to take vacation during tax season, January through April 15th.
The rest of the year they are able to take as much time as they have
accrued.

> > > > What profession can't be?
> > > >
> > > Do you have to find your substitute, write the plans, create the
> > materials,
> > > and be tested on what the patients do when you're not there?
>
> Yes. Commonly docs that work shifts are expected to find replacements when
> they are sick. Docs in private practice often hire "Locum Tenens"
> substitutes to take their place and the doc is responsible for what his
> replacement does and is expected to know what happened while he was gone.

That wasn't the question. Donna asked if you, as an engineer, have to find a
substitute, write plans for your substitute to follow, create materials for
them to use and be tested on what the client does when you're not there.

> > If you have a
> > > substitute doctor or lawyer, can the regular one be sued for
malpractice
> > or
> > > disbarred?
>
> Disbarred? - I don't know. He certainly can lose standing and clients over
> what his replacement does.
No, if a subsitute lawyer screws up, he is sued for malpractice.

> Malpractice? - Yes.

How can Doctor X be sued for malpractice if Doctor Z takes out the wrong
kidney?
Cate

--
"Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin
 
"CBI" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Seveigny" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Donna Metler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > >
> > > "CBI" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > "Donna Metler" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[email protected]...
> > > >
> > > > > Teaching is the only profession I know of where you can be held
> > > > responsible
> > > > > for what happens when you're not there.
> > > >
> > > > What?
> > > >
> > > > Medicine (including nursing and pharmacy) Wrong. Nurses are not
held
> > accountable for what happens on their shift when they are not there.
> > Doctors are not held accountable for what happens on their shift when
they
> > are not there.
>
> Wrong. I don't even know where to begin on this one. There are many ways
> that a doctor can be held responsible for things that happen when he is
not
> there.

Okay, choose one way that a doctor can be held responsible for things that
happen when he is not there. Just to make it easy for you, eliminate sole
practioners.

`Cate
--
"Those that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin
 
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:29:38 GMT, "CBI" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
><[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> For those who reject that argument (on whatever grounds), I offer the
>> following which I consider conclusive: There have been occasions when
>> I and my colleagues HAVE worked during a vacation or holiday period.
>> We were ALWAYS paid a per diem for that work. Therefore, CLEARLY, the
>> district does not consider vacation or holidays as being "paid".
>> Since THEY are the employer, and since THEY have a vested interest in
>> considering these as "paid vacations" and DO NOT, then CLEARLY they
>> ARE NOT "paid vacations".
>>
>> In the face of both arguments, anyone claiming we have "paid
>> vacations" is either illogical, unable to read, or purposefully dense.
>
>Way to keep an open mind.

I have an open mind. What I do NOT do, however, is to play with
words. If you can refute the argument(s) above, feel free to do so.
I, frankly, cannot see any way to do so.

>Whatever, if you are going to declare that anyone
>who dares disagree with you must have something wrong with them then there
>is no point. it is one thing to have a firm opinion. Maintaining that it is
>impossible for you to be wrong is a different matter (and there is a word
>for it).
>
>The sad part is that you don't see the obvious flaw in the logic above.

So obvious you failed to post it?
 
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:31:58 GMT, "CBI" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Joni Rathbun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:p[email protected]...
>>
>> If I worked those "holiday breaks" (officially) my salary would be
>> approximately $5000 more than it is per year.
>
>So if you don't work the holiday your check is the same but if you do it is
>larger than normal. And you don't think this means it is a paid vacation
>day?

Clearly it is not. The argument is equivilent to stating that my
check is the same if I don't work weekends, but would be more if I did
work on those days as well. If it is already "paid" then no one would
pay you AGAIN to work that day.
 
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:15:19 GMT, "CBI" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Magi D. Shepley" <[email protected]> wrote in
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>>
>>
>> CBI wrote:
>> > "Magi D. Shepley" <[email protected]> wrote
>in
>> > message news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> >>As a doctor, you also get paid a hell of a lot more than I do.
>> >
>> >
>> > How is that relevant to whether you call spring break a paid vacation or
>> > not?
>> Its very relevant. Doctors really DO get paid vacations.
>
>Huh? I get no baseline salary and am completely paid on productivity. If I
>take a day off I am paid nothing. THAT is not getting a paid vacation.

It follows, then, that NOT taking that day off results in greater pay.
Sounds exactly like what I noted about teachers, that you somehow
concluded meant that it WAS a paid vacation. Not very consistent, are
you?!
 
"Magi D. Shepley" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> I actually have a decent insurance plan. One of the benefits of working
> for a hospital: my insurance plan is way better here and cheaper than
> anything I've ever had before. The problem is getting established as a
> "new patient". Most doctors only see new patients on certain days, some
> only a couple of times a month. It is very hard to get a new general
> physician... and I need one that is willing to work with a specialist
> as well.
>
> Magi
>

One of the benefits of working for a hospital years ago, was I got to
know the doctors and their reputations. Broke bread with them in the
cafeteria, played volleyball with the adult leagues, went with friends
to Woodstock Country Club in Vermont as husbands played golf ....

I'm running away with myself here ... my point being, if you work at
the hospital, I'd think you could ask your boss, who they'd go to and
if there is anyway to circumvent the usual waiting period? I'm not
sure if they are still doing this ... but we were given professional
courtesy as employees of the hospital ... came in very handy,
especially with any balances after insurances.

Leah aka
 
nknisley <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> DeChiera wrote:
>
<<<<<<< trying to keep my stroke quota down >>>>>>
> >
> >
> > You might want to look into an insurance that covers ER visits. We have
> > military Tricare, it seems to pay more and faster on emergency visits for my
> > daughters accidents than any of the other services. As I am one of those
> > impatient people, who like to have medical issues address as soon as
> > possible vs. an assigned appointment ... ER is fine with me. I just bring a
> > good book, something for the girls to do while waiting and snacks to nibble
> > on. ER doctors have always be quite kind and helpful and will set up any
> > followup needed in a timely manner.
> >
>
> I don't know what hospital you go to with your daughters, but...

University of Michigan //// St Joseph Mercy depending on problem ...


>
> Recently, early one evening, a member of my family was in an accident.
> We tried to reach his regular doctors, but couldn't. Since he was in
> severe pain, and we thought he might have a broken or dislocated bone,
> we went to the ER, located on the fringes of a large urban city.
>
> We got to the ER around 7 PM. He was triaged around 7:30 and put on the
> "fast track" for "urgent care." At 8:30, the hospital got his insurance
> information and paperwork completed. He sat in pain in the "urgent care"
> waiting area until he saw the "urgent care" doctor at 11 PM. After his
> exam and x-rays, he was discharged at 1 AM with prescriptions for pain
> medication.
>
> Because he was still in terrible pain, we then had to drive to the only
> all-night pharmacy in the area to have the prescriptions filled. He
> finally got home at 2 AM and was able to take his medication and get
> some relief for the pain he'd been enduring for over 7 hours.
>
> I sure would hate to be a patient not on the "fast track" for "urgent care"!

So far, two daughters have ended up with injuries from sports. But
usually, we go on the advise of my daughters mothers advise (she's a
doctor), so when the situation warants quick attention the wait is
usually not longer than what is needed to be accomplish. I did post
elsewhere that I do bring a book (helps calm my nerves also) and
activities for the child to do while waiting.

>
> Before I'd go to an ER myself, I'd *really* have to be in an emergency
> situation--like something that might kill me if I couldn't wait until my
> regular doctor's office opened for business. And, maybe, not even then.
> (Joking)

>
> Oh, and as for myself, sitting for all those hours in the waiting room:
> I don't remember being so bored in ages as I was that night. For the
> first time in memory, I read that day's entire newspaper. I also played
> games on my PDA, watched Jay Leno and Conan O'Brien on the waiting room
> TV, and had started doing the paper's crossword puzzles before we were
> able to leave.
>

Send hubby instead ... <grin>


> You know, sometimes I do wish my life was less, um, exciting, but, the
> hours of boredom that evening was excruciating.


I can relate ....

>
>
> Nancy
> Unique, like everyone else
 
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