58-year-old Dies while Mountain Biking!

[mamba]

There's that incisive, objective mind at work again. If it's OBVIOUS
to Mikey, well then, it's got to be FACT to the planet.

Mikey, got any FACTS about how many people have heart attacks while
driving LA freeways every year? Want to guess how many hundreds of
times it exceeds the same rate among mountain bikers partaking in their
sport?

Sure this doesn't address the original context of relative sport safety
- if that's what your first troll was all about. But it's at least as
relevant as the correlation you're inferring between mountain biking
and deaths due to exertion.

OK, I'm bored now. Go away.

> >Mike Vandeman wrote:
> >
> But it is BY FAR the most likely explanation. Of course, you avoid
> giving an alternative explanation, because it's OBVIOUS that he dies
> from mountain biking.

 

[matagi]

But it didn't. He died from mountain biking. You are just afraid to
admit the truth!

Ok, can you outline the pathological process by which mountain biking caused his death?

 

[pmhilton]

John Everett wrote:

>
> Dear PH:
>
> Haven't you realized yet that arguing with idiots is pointless?
>
>

Yep. Attempting rational discourse with an irrational being is
funamentally fruitless. (I've stated myself that in these pages from
time to time.) But at those odd moments of total boredom . . . . . .

PH

 

[Jeff Strickland]

A woman returned home today to find her dead husband propped up in front of
the TV watching football.

Maybe we should ban football.

 

[MattB]

Jeff Strickland wrote:
> A woman returned home today to find her dead husband propped up in front
> of the TV watching football.
>
> Maybe we should ban football.
>
>
>

I'd be ok with that.

Matt

 

[Fole Haafstra]

"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> More evidence that mountain biking's alleged "health benefits" are
> exaggerated. If you die, where is the net benefit???
>
> Mike
>
You are simply pathetic.
The man died breathing Rocky Mountain air. I guess that mountain air is bad
for one's health.
You also express no human decency, compassion, or respect in such matters.

 

[Werehatrack]

On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:50:00 -0700, "Jeff Strickland"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Maybe we should ban football.

I probably wouldn't notice if it happened.
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[cc]

Werehatrack wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:50:00 -0700, "Jeff Strickland"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Maybe we should ban football.
>
>
> I probably wouldn't notice if it happened.

Yeah, except for the
possibility that all those
large mammals would need
something else to do with
their testosterone on
Saturdays, Sundays, and
Mondays. While an optimist
would insist something
constructive be done instead,
e.g. riding a bike, god knows
what they'd actually get into
.. . .

 

[MattB]

cc wrote:
> Werehatrack wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:50:00 -0700, "Jeff Strickland"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Maybe we should ban football.
>>
>>
>>
>> I probably wouldn't notice if it happened.
>
>
> Yeah, except for the possibility that all those large mammals would need
> something else to do with their testosterone on Saturdays, Sundays, and
> Mondays. While an optimist would insist something constructive be done
> instead, e.g. riding a bike, god knows what they'd actually get into . . .

Without football, they might only have ATVng and shootin' **** for
recreation. Maybe we should let them keep it!

Matt

 

[pmhilton]

Fole Haafstra wrote:

> You also express no human decency, compassion, or respect in such matters.
>
>

He expresses none because he apparently has none. This level of callous
brutality - even smugly self-satisfied glee - appears every time mikey
scrounges up some news item wherein some person encounters misfortune
("hopefully" death) while within shouting distance of a mountain bike.

We've seen it an obnoxiously large number of times.

Along with an astounding degree of misogeny, there is actual
satisfaction in the face of others' ill fortune.

PH

 

[cc]

MattB wrote:
> cc wrote:
>> Werehatrack wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:50:00 -0700, "Jeff Strickland"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Maybe we should ban football.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I probably wouldn't notice if it happened.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, except for the possibility that all those large mammals would
>> need something else to do with their testosterone on Saturdays,
>> Sundays, and Mondays. While an optimist would insist something
>> constructive be done instead, e.g. riding a bike, god knows what
>> they'd actually get into . . .
>
> Without football, they might only have ATVng and shootin' **** for
> recreation. Maybe we should let them keep it!
>

Agreed. If only there were another high-risk activity that didn't
involve the outdoors !

 

[[email protected]]

pmhilton wrote:

> Along with an astounding degree of misogeny, there is actual
> satisfaction in the face of others' ill fortune.

While I agree with the sentiment, I think you meant misanthropy, rather
than misogyny. I know, because I'm a bit of a misanthrope myself.

 

[Chuck Davis]

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> pmhilton wrote:
>
>> Along with an astounding degree of misogeny, there is actual
>> satisfaction in the face of others' ill fortune.
>
> While I agree with the sentiment, I think you meant misanthropy, rather
> than misogyny. I know, because I'm a bit of a misanthrope myself.
>

The best fit seems to be "Schadenfreude".

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 16:06:41 GMT, "Bill Sornson" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Sep 2006 18:08:57 +1000, matagi
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Mike Vandeman Wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And if he died hiking, swimming, cutting the lawn or having dinner
>>>> with
>>>>> his family therein *we* may ascertain *you* would consider those
>>>>> activities negative activities... interesting how to attempt to
>>>>> link things negative to the mountain bike sport.
>>>>
>>>> He didn't. He died from MOUNTAIN BIKING.
>>>>
>>>>> But you do indeed accept there are some health benefits to riding a
>>>>> mountain bike
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but no NET benefit. In otherwise, the disadvantages far
>>>> outweigh the advantages.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Actually, one thing we do not know is whether he would have lived to
>>> 58 if he HADN'T taken up mountain biking. If, in the absence of
>>> mountain biking as an exercise, he would have died of a heart attack
>>> at the age of 48, then one can argue that there was a net benefit
>>> for him of an additional 10 years of life.
>>>
>>> And I am afraid that I do not know of any country where you can put
>>> "Mountain Biking" as the cause of death on a death certificate. If
>>> you know better, I am happy to be enlightened.
>>
>> Of course you can. Whatever was the cause, goes on the death
>> certificate.
>
>OK, Do(r)c, how much do you want to bet that "mountain biking" was NOT
>listed as the COD in this case? Charity of your choice.[/color]

Irrelevant. One of the causes was obviously mountain biking.

>(Hint: by your logic, "breathing air" could be listed on EVERY HUMAN
>BEING'S DEATH CERTIFICATE. Sorry for confusing you with that word...LOGIC.
>LOL )
>
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[Mike Vandeman]

On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:27:05 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:06:46 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 22:00:03 GMT, Artoi <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 4 Sep 2006 07:05:10 -0700, "CanopyCo" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>More evidence that mountain biking's alleged "health benefits" are
>>>>>>>>exaggerated. If you die, where is the net benefit???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>He died of a heart attack.
>>>>>>>That can happen during any kind of exercise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But it didn't. He didn't die from running marathons. He died from
>>>>>>MOUNTAIN BIKING. Face the facts!
>>>>>
>>>>>Mike, you are ignoring the root cause of his death, which is a heart
>>>>>attack of some form.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes, DUE TO MOUNTAIN BIKING.
>>>
>>>Due to physical exertion. Any
>>>number of activities involve
>>>the level of physical exertion
>>>involved in mountain biking.
>>
>>
>> You missed the point. Several marathons didn't kill him. MOUNTAIN
>> BIKING did.
>>
>
>No, you missed the point.
>Mountain biking did not kill
>him, and you really have no
>way of showing it was even he
>exertion due to mountain biking.

He didn't die sipping a latte. He died mountain biking. DUH!
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[Mike Vandeman]

On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:28:44 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:08:06 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:57:32 GMT, Artoi <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>>"CanopyCo" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>More evidence that mountain biking's alleged "health benefits" are
>>>>>>>exaggerated. If you die, where is the net benefit???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He died of a heart attack.
>>>>>>That can happen during any kind of exercise.
>>>>>>I presume that you are a fat turd that never exercises?
>>>>>>If so, then you also can die due to the excess fat.
>>>>>>If not, then you also can die from a heart attack while doing your
>>>>>>exercise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Some of your posts make you look like an idiot.
>>>>>>That will not help your cause.
>>>>>
>>>>>Correct, or even acute mental stress just sitting at a desk can start a
>>>>>so called heart attack.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>But it didn't. He died from mountain biking. You are just afraid to
>>>>admit the truth!
>>>
>>>Considering the semantic
>>>masturbation you are so keen
>>>on, I would expect you to not
>>>make such a ridiculous
>>>statement. You cannot die from
>>>mountain biking any more than
>>>you can die from walking down
>>>the street.
>>
>>
>> It happens all the time! It just happened again. Ride off a cliff, and
>> then tell me you can't die from mountain biking.
>
>You, sir, are an idiot. If you
>ride a bike off a cliff, you
>may die from breaking your
>neck, but not from mountain
>biking.

So if you are shot to death, I guess the shooter had nothing to do
with it! It was all the bullet's fault. Right.

It's so clear how
>muddy your mental waters are .
>. seek help.
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[Mike Vandeman]

On 7 Sep 2006 13:33:30 -0700, "mamba" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Once again I am humbled by the rapier-like wit of your retort. That
>sure put me in my place. "Turn on my brain". Geez, how do I recover
>from such a direct and insightful rebuke?

You can't.

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On 5 Sep 2006 13:39:14 -0700, "mamba" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >OHMIGOD
>>
>> Now try it again, this time turning on your brain first.
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[Mike Vandeman]

On 7 Sep 2006 09:54:14 -0700, "Marz" <[email protected]> wrote:

>A man dies at 58 years old while mtbing. Yahooo!!
>
>I feel bad for his family, but a hundred 100 years the average man
>wasn't expected to make 50 and now he's out mtbing. I can only hope for
>having such a sweet exit from this world.

Death "sweet"? You are LYING. And rationalizing.

>laters,
>
>marz
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[Mike Vandeman]

On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:21:08 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:05:02 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:21:52 -0400, pmhilton <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>>It's OBVIOUS!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Your opinion that a given conclusion is obvious is very nearly worthless
>>>>>as an assumption uless some form of mental rigor is brought to bear. In
>>>>>this instance, you have brought nothing to the discussion but a single
>>>>>hastily formed opinion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>CONSPICUOUSLY ABSENT is YOUR assessment of why he died. OBVIOUSLY, you
>>>>are afraid to ADMIT that he died from mountain biking, which he
>>>>OBVIOUSLY did.
>>>
>>>No, he died of a heart attack.
>>>Idiot.
>>
>>
>> Triggered by mountain biking, but NOT by running marathons.
>> Interesting....
>
>You don't even know it was
>triggered by mountain biking.
>All you know is that it
>occurred while he was mountain
>biking,

What a coincidence! It was probably the latte he drank before mountain
biking that killed him! Right. Idiot.

making whatever
>connections you wish to draw
>untenable. As usual.
>
>>
>>
>>>> Make all the claims you wish. In support of that
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>opinion you must offer objective data & logically sound reasoning. You
>>>>>have offered neither.
>>>>>
>>>>>Seems to me this fundamental lack, along with your monomaniacle
>>>>>androgeny has been mentioned hundreds of times by scores of posters.
>>>>>
>>>>>PH
>>>>
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>>
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[Mike Vandeman]

On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:22:07 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:08:20 GMT, Michael Halliwell
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>><!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>>><html>
>>><head>
>>> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
>>></head>
>>><body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
>>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>><blockquote cite="[email protected]"
>>>type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 15:45:21 GMT, Michael Halliwell
>>><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a> wrote:
>>>
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:34:22 -0400, pmhilton <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto[email protected]"><[email protected]></a> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">Artoi wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">In article <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a>,
>>>Mike Vandeman <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> </pre>
>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>> <pre wrap="">More evidence that mountain biking's alleged "health benefits" are
>>>exaggerated. If you die, where is the net benefit???
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap="">If one does not mountain bike, perhaps, one will not die?
>>>
>>>
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap="">Yes, he would probably still be alive.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap="">Thank you Dr. Vandeman, MD, for your expert medical opinion.....be
>>>certain to let the Colorado M. E. know about it...I'm sure he'd be
>>>clueless otherwise. Now you're certain it wasn't the running of
>>>marathons? Or the love of french and italian cuisine? Or an underlying
>>>medical condition? And please, for the rest of us poor medical
>>>laypersons, detail the signs, symptoms and general progression of this
>>>horrible disease that apparently you are so medically qualified to
>>>diagnose that you can assess it as the cause of death from a newspaper
>>>clipping and not have to examine the remains.
>>> </pre>
>>> </blockquote>
>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->
>>>Why do YOU think he died? I notice that you decline to say, because
>>>you'd then have to admit that the mountain biking was the ost likely
>>>cause of his death. It's OBVIOUS!
>>>
>>> </pre>
>>></blockquote>
>>>I'm not a MD or ME, so I can't say with the certainty that you have,
>>>but I would guess that it was likely related to an existing medical
>>>condition. I would lean that way as the individual is described as
>>>being healthy enough to run marathons. Perhaps a heart condition? I
>>>wouldn't say mountain biking was the cause, but rather that he was
>>>mountain biking when he died
>>
>>
>> But not running marathons. Only MOUNTAIN BIKING killed him.
>>
>
>Again, you don't know that.
>Running could have easily
>caused damage whose effects
>were only realized some time
>later. You are not a doctor.

I AM a doctor. It's obvious that the most probable cause was the
mountain biking.

>> (big difference there, Mike). <br>
>>
>>><br>
>>>By the way, you didn't detail the signs and symptoms and progression of
>>>this horrible disease that you apparently so qualified to
>>>diagnose...have you alerted the CDC as to your findings of "mountain
>>>biking" as a cause of death and how it could become an epidemic as
>>>there are so many mountain bikers these days?<br>
>>><br>
>>>Michael Halliwell<br>
>>></body>
>>></html>
>>
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