58-year-old Dies while Mountain Biking!



On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:24:23 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:05:30 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:53:43 GMT, Artoi <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Simply asserting that doesn't make it true. Prove that there is a NET
>>>>>>benefit from mountain biking (that couldn't be gotten by hiking or
>>>>>>other exercise)! You CAN'T. That's because mountain biking is one of
>>>>>>the most dangerous activities. People die or get seriously injured
>>>>>
>>>>>>from it all the time.
>>>>>
>>>>>He didn't die of specific mountain biking related activity
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Prove it. Liar.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The burden of proof is on you,
>>>fool.
>>
>>
>> Nope, you just made a claim. Prove it (hint: you CAN'T!).
>>
>
>Your claim is that mountain
>biking's health benefits are
>exaggerated.

If mountain biking had a health benefit, he would still be alive. It
has no NET health benefit.

You cannot prove
>that. One person dying means
>nearly nothing statistically,
>especially compared to other
>recreational activities.
>
>The burden is on you to prove
>that you have a point, which
>you don't. Moron.
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On 7 Sep 2006 13:44:03 -0700, "mamba" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>There's that incisive, objective mind at work again. If it's OBVIOUS
>to Mikey, well then, it's got to be FACT to the planet.
>
>Mikey, got any FACTS about how many people have heart attacks while
>driving LA freeways every year? Want to guess how many hundreds of
>times it exceeds the same rate among mountain bikers partaking in their
>sport?

It's obvious to you as well as me that mountain biking has a higher
rate of heart attacks.

>Sure this doesn't address the original context of relative sport safety
>- if that's what your first troll was all about. But it's at least as
>relevant as the correlation you're inferring between mountain biking
>and deaths due to exertion.
>
>OK, I'm bored now. Go away.
>
>> >Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> >
>> But it is BY FAR the most likely explanation. Of course, you avoid
>> giving an alternative explanation, because it's OBVIOUS that he dies
>> from mountain biking.
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On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 08:11:57 +1000, matagi
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Mike Vandeman Wrote:
>>
>> But it didn't. He died from mountain biking. You are just afraid to
>> admit the truth!
>
>Ok, can you outline the pathological process by which mountain biking
>caused his death?

Irrelevant. It is obviously the proximate cause.
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Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:22:07 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 05:08:20 GMT, Michael Halliwell
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
>>>> <html>
>>>> <head>
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>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>> <blockquote cite="[email protected]"
>>>> type="cite">
>>>> <pre wrap="">On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 15:45:21 GMT, Michael Halliwell
>>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> </pre>
>>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>>> <pre wrap="">Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> </pre>
>>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>>> <pre wrap="">On Sun, 03 Sep 2006 21:34:22 -0400, pmhilton <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:p[email protected]"><[email protected]></a> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> </pre>
>>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>>> <pre wrap="">Artoi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> </pre>
>>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>>> <pre wrap="">In article <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a>,
>>>> Mike Vandeman <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> </pre>
>>>> <blockquote type="cite">
>>>> <pre wrap="">More evidence that mountain biking's alleged "health benefits" are
>>>> exaggerated. If you die, where is the net benefit???
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> </pre>
>>>> </blockquote>
>>>> </blockquote>
>>>> <pre wrap="">If one does not mountain bike, perhaps, one will not die?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> </pre>
>>>> </blockquote>
>>>> <pre wrap="">Yes, he would probably still be alive.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> </pre>
>>>> </blockquote>
>>>> <pre wrap="">Thank you Dr. Vandeman, MD, for your expert medical opinion.....be
>>>> certain to let the Colorado M. E. know about it...I'm sure he'd be
>>>> clueless otherwise. Now you're certain it wasn't the running of
>>>> marathons? Or the love of french and italian cuisine? Or an underlying
>>>> medical condition? And please, for the rest of us poor medical
>>>> laypersons, detail the signs, symptoms and general progression of this
>>>> horrible disease that apparently you are so medically qualified to
>>>> diagnose that you can assess it as the cause of death from a newspaper
>>>> clipping and not have to examine the remains.
>>>> </pre>
>>>> </blockquote>
>>>> <pre wrap=""><!---->
>>>> Why do YOU think he died? I notice that you decline to say, because
>>>> you'd then have to admit that the mountain biking was the ost likely
>>>> cause of his death. It's OBVIOUS!
>>>>
>>>> </pre>
>>>> </blockquote>
>>>> I'm not a MD or ME, so I can't say with the certainty that you have,
>>>> but I would guess that it was likely related to an existing medical
>>>> condition. I would lean that way as the individual is described as
>>>> being healthy enough to run marathons. Perhaps a heart condition? I
>>>> wouldn't say mountain biking was the cause, but rather that he was
>>>> mountain biking when he died
>>>
>>> But not running marathons. Only MOUNTAIN BIKING killed him.
>>>
>> Again, you don't know that.
>> Running could have easily
>> caused damage whose effects
>> were only realized some time
>> later. You are not a doctor.
>
> I AM a doctor. It's obvious that the most probable cause was the
> mountain biking.

You idiot. "Medical" was obviously implied. You are not a physician.

>
>>> (big difference there, Mike). <br>
>>>
>>>> <br>
>>>> By the way, you didn't detail the signs and symptoms and progression of
>>>> this horrible disease that you apparently so qualified to
>>>> diagnose...have you alerted the CDC as to your findings of "mountain
>>>> biking" as a cause of death and how it could become an epidemic as
>>>> there are so many mountain bikers these days?<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Michael Halliwell<br>
>>>> </body>
>>>> </html>
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Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:24:23 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>> On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:05:30 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:53:43 GMT, Artoi <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>>> Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Simply asserting that doesn't make it true. Prove that there is a NET
>>>>>>> benefit from mountain biking (that couldn't be gotten by hiking or
>>>>>>> other exercise)! You CAN'T. That's because mountain biking is one of
>>>>>>> the most dangerous activities. People die or get seriously injured
>>>>>> >from it all the time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He didn't die of specific mountain biking related activity
>>>>>
>>>>> Prove it. Liar.
>>>>>
>>>> The burden of proof is on you,
>>>> fool.
>>>
>>> Nope, you just made a claim. Prove it (hint: you CAN'T!).
>>>
>> Your claim is that mountain
>> biking's health benefits are
>> exaggerated.
>
> If mountain biking had a health benefit, he would still be alive. It
> has no NET health benefit.
>

You idiot. By that logic, nothing has a NET health benefit. I have news
for you: we all die.

> You cannot prove
>> that. One person dying means
>> nearly nothing statistically,
>> especially compared to other
>> recreational activities.
>>
>> The burden is on you to prove
>> that you have a point, which
>> you don't. Moron.
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Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:21:08 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>> On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:05:02 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 14:21:52 -0400, pmhilton <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>>> It's OBVIOUS!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your opinion that a given conclusion is obvious is very nearly worthless
>>>>>> as an assumption uless some form of mental rigor is brought to bear. In
>>>>>> this instance, you have brought nothing to the discussion but a single
>>>>>> hastily formed opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> CONSPICUOUSLY ABSENT is YOUR assessment of why he died. OBVIOUSLY, you
>>>>> are afraid to ADMIT that he died from mountain biking, which he
>>>>> OBVIOUSLY did.
>>>> No, he died of a heart attack.
>>>> Idiot.
>>>
>>> Triggered by mountain biking, but NOT by running marathons.
>>> Interesting....
>> You don't even know it was
>> triggered by mountain biking.
>> All you know is that it
>> occurred while he was mountain
>> biking,
>
> What a coincidence! It was probably the latte he drank before mountain
> biking that killed him! Right. Idiot.

You didn't refute anything of what I said.

>
> making whatever
>> connections you wish to draw
>> untenable. As usual.
>>
>>>
>>>>> Make all the claims you wish. In support of that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> opinion you must offer objective data & logically sound reasoning. You
>>>>>> have offered neither.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Seems to me this fundamental lack, along with your monomaniacle
>>>>>> androgeny has been mentioned hundreds of times by scores of posters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PH
>>>>> ===
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Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:27:05 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>> On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:06:46 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 22:00:03 GMT, Artoi <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>>> Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4 Sep 2006 07:05:10 -0700, "CanopyCo" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> More evidence that mountain biking's alleged "health benefits" are
>>>>>>>>> exaggerated. If you die, where is the net benefit???
>>>>>>>> He died of a heart attack.
>>>>>>>> That can happen during any kind of exercise.
>>>>>>> But it didn't. He didn't die from running marathons. He died from
>>>>>>> MOUNTAIN BIKING. Face the facts!
>>>>>> Mike, you are ignoring the root cause of his death, which is a heart
>>>>>> attack of some form.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, DUE TO MOUNTAIN BIKING.
>>>> Due to physical exertion. Any
>>>> number of activities involve
>>>> the level of physical exertion
>>>> involved in mountain biking.
>>>
>>> You missed the point. Several marathons didn't kill him. MOUNTAIN
>>> BIKING did.
>>>
>> No, you missed the point.
>> Mountain biking did not kill
>> him, and you really have no
>> way of showing it was even he
>> exertion due to mountain biking.
>
> He didn't die sipping a latte. He died mountain biking. DUH!

You spew on logical fallacy after another. If I get hit by a car while
drinking a latte, is it because of the latte?

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Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:28:44 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>> On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:08:06 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:57:32 GMT, Artoi <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>>> "CanopyCo" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> More evidence that mountain biking's alleged "health benefits" are
>>>>>>>> exaggerated. If you die, where is the net benefit???
>>>>>>> He died of a heart attack.
>>>>>>> That can happen during any kind of exercise.
>>>>>>> I presume that you are a fat turd that never exercises?
>>>>>>> If so, then you also can die due to the excess fat.
>>>>>>> If not, then you also can die from a heart attack while doing your
>>>>>>> exercise.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some of your posts make you look like an idiot.
>>>>>>> That will not help your cause.
>>>>>> Correct, or even acute mental stress just sitting at a desk can start a
>>>>>> so called heart attack.
>>>>>
>>>>> But it didn't. He died from mountain biking. You are just afraid to
>>>>> admit the truth!
>>>> Considering the semantic
>>>> masturbation you are so keen
>>>> on, I would expect you to not
>>>> make such a ridiculous
>>>> statement. You cannot die from
>>>> mountain biking any more than
>>>> you can die from walking down
>>>> the street.
>>>
>>> It happens all the time! It just happened again. Ride off a cliff, and
>>> then tell me you can't die from mountain biking.
>> You, sir, are an idiot. If you
>> ride a bike off a cliff, you
>> may die from breaking your
>> neck, but not from mountain
>> biking.
>
> So if you are shot to death, I guess the shooter had nothing to do
> with it! It was all the bullet's fault. Right.

The difference being that the only way to get a bullet into your heart
is from a gun. You can have a heart attack walking down the street. Idiot.

>
> It's so clear how
>> muddy your mental waters are .
>> . seek help.
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"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> ....
>>Ok, can you outline the pathological process by which mountain biking
>>caused his death?
>
> Irrelevant. It is obviously the proximate cause.


So, if someone eats nothing but Big Macs until their arteries are so clogged
and they have a heart attack, whatever they happen to be doing at the time
they die is the proximate cause? Very interesting. This means that when my
mother died of a stroke in her car while waiting for a friend in the parking
lot of a supermarket, the proximate cause was parking. I'll have to forward
this to the coroner.

ChuckD
 
On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:04:37 -0400, "Fole Haafstra"
<reply.to.group.not.me> wrote:

>
>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> More evidence that mountain biking's alleged "health benefits" are
>> exaggerated. If you die, where is the net benefit???
>>
>> Mike
>>
>You are simply pathetic.
>The man died breathing Rocky Mountain air. I guess that mountain air is bad
>for one's health.
>You also express no human decency, compassion, or respect in such matters.

Please explain what "respect" an environmental rapist such as a
mountain biker is due.... This should be good!
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On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 18:57:16 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:

>MattB wrote:
>> cc wrote:
>>> Werehatrack wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 11:50:00 -0700, "Jeff Strickland"
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe we should ban football.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I probably wouldn't notice if it happened.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, except for the possibility that all those large mammals would
>>> need something else to do with their testosterone on Saturdays,
>>> Sundays, and Mondays. While an optimist would insist something
>>> constructive be done instead, e.g. riding a bike, god knows what
>>> they'd actually get into . . .
>>
>> Without football, they might only have ATVng and shootin' **** for
>> recreation. Maybe we should let them keep it!
>>
>
>Agreed. If only there were another high-risk activity that didn't
>involve the outdoors !

There is! Drug addiction! Better than killing innocent wildlife.
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Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:04:37 -0400, "Fole Haafstra"
> <reply.to.group.not.me> wrote:
>
>
>>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>More evidence that mountain biking's alleged "health benefits" are
>>>exaggerated. If you die, where is the net benefit???
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>
>>
>>You are simply pathetic.
>>The man died breathing Rocky Mountain air. I guess that mountain air is bad
>>for one's health.
>>You also express no human decency, compassion, or respect in such matters.
>
>
> Please explain what "respect" an environmental rapist such as a
> mountain biker is due.... This should be good!

A mountain biker is still a
person. It's obvious you have
no idea what humanity and
respect are, as evidenced by
your consistently pathological
indecency.
 
On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:53:36 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:

>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:04:37 -0400, "Fole Haafstra"
>> <reply.to.group.not.me> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>More evidence that mountain biking's alleged "health benefits" are
>>>>exaggerated. If you die, where is the net benefit???
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>
>>>
>>>You are simply pathetic.
>>>The man died breathing Rocky Mountain air. I guess that mountain air is bad
>>>for one's health.
>>>You also express no human decency, compassion, or respect in such matters.
>>
>>
>> Please explain what "respect" an environmental rapist such as a
>> mountain biker is due.... This should be good!
>
>A mountain biker is still a
>person.

So is a rapist. Now tell me what respect they are due.

It's obvious you have
>no idea what humanity and
>respect are, as evidenced by
>your consistently pathological
>indecency.
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Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 13:53:36 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:04:37 -0400, "Fole Haafstra"
>>><reply.to.group.not.me> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>More evidence that mountain biking's alleged "health benefits" are
>>>>>exaggerated. If you die, where is the net benefit???
>>>>>
>>>>>Mike
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You are simply pathetic.
>>>>The man died breathing Rocky Mountain air. I guess that mountain air is bad
>>>>for one's health.
>>>>You also express no human decency, compassion, or respect in such matters.
>>>
>>>
>>>Please explain what "respect" an environmental rapist such as a
>>>mountain biker is due.... This should be good!
>>
>>A mountain biker is still a
>>person.
>
>
> So is a rapist. Now tell me what respect they are due.
>

A better example would be how
I treat you. Sure, I patronize
you, but I still treat you as
if you were human.

> It's obvious you have
>
>>no idea what humanity and
>>respect are, as evidenced by
>>your consistently pathological
>>indecency.
>
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Good point.

Artoi wrote:
> He didn't die of specific mountain biking related activity but an
> intrinsic cause. He could have died the same way if he sat there and
> found out his share portfolio just crashed 90%.
> --
 
On 2 Oct 2006 21:35:48 -0700, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Good point.
>
>Artoi wrote:
>> He didn't die of specific mountain biking related activity but an
>> intrinsic cause. He could have died the same way if he sat there and
>> found out his share portfolio just crashed 90%.

You don't know that. The MOST LIKELY explanation is the he died from
mountain biking.
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Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On 2 Oct 2006 21:35:48 -0700, "[email protected]"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Good point.
>>
>>Artoi wrote:
>>
>>>He didn't die of specific mountain biking related activity but an
>>>intrinsic cause. He could have died the same way if he sat there and
>>>found out his share portfolio just crashed 90%.
>
>
> You don't know that. The MOST LIKELY explanation is the he died from
> mountain biking.

Judged by who? You? Don't you
get it? Your opinion is worse
than useless...
 
Mike Vandeman wrote:

>On 2 Oct 2006 21:35:48 -0700, "[email protected]"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Good point.
>>
>>Artoi wrote:
>>
>>
>>>He didn't die of specific mountain biking related activity but an
>>>intrinsic cause. He could have died the same way if he sat there and
>>>found out his share portfolio just crashed 90%.
>>>
>>>
>
>You don't know that. The MOST LIKELY explanation is the he died from
>mountain biking.
>
>

Once again, Dr. Vandeman, MD, has jumped in and failed to indicate (as
previously asked) the lethal mechanism to this individual: just because
he passed away while mountain biking does not make mountain biking the
cause....using your arguement, a 90 year old man dying during sexual
intercourse with a 20-something woman died from sex; not heart disease
or old age or any number of other causes.

Michael Halliwell

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>years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
>Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>
>http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
>
 
cc <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Thu, 07 Sep 2006 10:24:23 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:05:30 -0700, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Mike Vandeman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 21:53:43 GMT, Artoi <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <[email protected]>,
>>>>>>> Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Simply asserting that doesn't make it true. Prove that there is
>>>>>>>> a NET benefit from mountain biking (that couldn't be gotten by
>>>>>>>> hiking or other exercise)! You CAN'T. That's because mountain
>>>>>>>> biking is one of the most dangerous activities. People die or
>>>>>>>> get seriously injured
>>>>>>> >from it all the time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He didn't die of specific mountain biking related activity
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prove it. Liar.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The burden of proof is on you,
>>>>> fool.
>>>>
>>>> Nope, you just made a claim. Prove it (hint: you CAN'T!).
>>>>
>>> Your claim is that mountain
>>> biking's health benefits are
>>> exaggerated.
>>
>> If mountain biking had a health benefit, he would still be alive. It
>> has no NET health benefit.
>>
>
> You idiot. By that logic, nothing has a NET health benefit. I have
> news for you: we all die.
>
>> You cannot prove
>>> that. One person dying means
>>> nearly nothing statistically,
>>> especially compared to other
>>> recreational activities.
>>>
>>> The burden is on you to prove
>>> that you have a point, which
>>> you don't. Moron.
>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you
>> are fond of!
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>

We all die Mikey,
Life caused his death

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