650Cx23 tires and flats and ride

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  1. Skott

    Skott Guest

    I am considering a Volae Club vs Strada. I like the better wheelset and setup on the Club but I am
    concerned about the tires.Specifically thereare few available for 650C and none wider than 23mm. I
    plan to ride roads but have some rough streets to negotiate before I get to smooth pavement. The
    Strada will take 26 inch and hence more options if I have trouble. I am interested in the experience
    of those riding 650x23.
     
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  2. Freewheeling

    Freewheeling Guest

    On 21 May 2003 09:59:56 -0700, [email protected] (skott) wrote:

    >The Strada will take 26 inch and hence more options if I have trouble.

    I'm curious about what the Volae bikes won't accept a 26" wheel. Surely the size difference is
    pretty minimal, and the only issue would be the adjustment necessary for the brakes. Most braking
    systems have enough "slack" that they could be adjusted for both. Do the Volae use a proprietary
    braking system?

    --Scott
     
  3. John Riley

    John Riley New Member

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    FWIW there is this:

    http://www.terrybicycles.com/BPA/2400700.lasso

     
  4. Skott

    Skott Guest

    Freewheeling <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > On 21 May 2003 09:59:56 -0700, [email protected] (skott) wrote:
    >
    > >The Strada will take 26 inch and hence more options if I have trouble.
    >
    > I'm curious about what the Volae bikes won't accept a 26" wheel. Surely the size difference is
    > pretty minimal, and the only issue would be the adjustment necessary for the brakes. Most braking
    > systems have enough "slack" that they could be adjusted for both. Do the Volae use a proprietary
    > braking system?
    >
    > --Scott

    Evidently so. I just spoke with Rolf and he says 26 wheel will not work.
     
  5. Skott,

    > Evidently so. I just spoke with Rolf and he says 26 wheel will not work.

    They are probably using 39-49 mm reach brakes, like everybody else. If that is the case, you can use
    47-57 mm reach brakes, and the 559's will work fine.

    These brakes were not available for a long time. But retro-grouches like Grant Peterson and Sheldon
    Brown had been pushing them to re-release them.

    Warren
     
  6. Jeff Wills

    Jeff Wills Guest

    [email protected] (skott) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > I am considering a Volae Club vs Strada. I like the better wheelset and setup on the Club but I am
    > concerned about the tires.Specifically thereare few available for 650C and none wider than 23mm. I
    > plan to ride roads but have some rough streets to negotiate before I get to smooth pavement. The
    > Strada will take 26 inch and hence more options if I have trouble. I am interested in the
    > experience of those riding 650x23.

    650 x 28C tires are available through Harris Cyclery:
    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/tires/index.html#571

    Given the choices available in 26" (559 ETRTO size), I'd say you're better off staying with
    the Strada.

    Jeff
     
  7. Freewheeling

    Freewheeling Guest

    On 21 May 2003 18:24:31 -0700, [email protected] (Warren Berger) wrote:

    >They are probably using 39-49 mm reach brakes, like everybody else. If that is the case, you can
    >use 47-57 mm reach brakes, and the 559's will work fine.
    >
    >These brakes were not available for a long time. But retro-grouches like Grant Peterson and Sheldon
    >Brown had been pushing them to re-release them.

    Warren:

    Thanks. I just couldn't see why the 559s were a no go, with so little difference in radius. They're
    just using the short reach brakes.

    --Scott
     
  8. Scott, I tend to agree. However, good quality dual pivot calipers don't seem to exist. Still
    available are some old stock long reach ones, but their single pivot. The STRADA/CORSA's both use
    /V-linear brakes on the rear and the bosses were situated to handle 559 or 571 wheelsets. I'm
    guessing now, but the Bacchetta front caliper is made for them and may well be a medium reach. I
    have a STRADA on the build rack soo I'll look n' measure it today.

    Come over sometime, I'm only an a bay away.
    --
    Jude....///Bacchetta AERO St. Michaels and Tilghman Island.. Maryland Wheel Doctor Cycle and Sports,
    Inc 1-800-586-6645 "Freewheeling" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > On 21 May 2003 18:24:31 -0700, [email protected] (Warren Berger) wrote:
    >
    > >They are probably using 39-49 mm reach brakes, like everybody else. If that is the case, you can
    > >use 47-57 mm reach brakes, and the 559's will work fine.
    > >
    > >These brakes were not available for a long time. But retro-grouches like Grant Peterson and
    > >Sheldon Brown had been pushing them to re-release them.
    >
    > Warren:
    >
    > Thanks. I just couldn't see why the 559s were a no go, with so little difference in radius.
    > They're just using the short reach brakes.
    >
    > --Scott
     
  9. Seth Jayson

    Seth Jayson Guest

    Don't know anything about respective brake clearances.

    But, for whatever it's worth, according to captain bike, the 650 C (standard on Volae Club) is

    ISO 571 mm Triathlon, time trial, high performance road bikes for smaller riders ,

    and according to the cross reference:

    ISO 571 mm = 26 x 1, 26 x 1 1/2, 26 x 1 3/4, 650 C

    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/tire_sizing.html#iso

    Strada rims are listed as ISO 559,

    which corresponds to: 559 mm 26 x 1.00- x 2.125

    Gawd, tire sizes are tough to keep track of.
     
  10. Dave Harney

    Dave Harney Guest

    I'm waiting for delivery of my Volae Club. I really did not want 23 tires so we have agreed on
    650x25 tires. Rolf said the fit would be close but not a problem. He is taking care of the change
    from the standard 23.

    "skott" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:9f7a44a6.03[email protected]...
    > I am considering a Volae Club vs Strada. I like the better wheelset and setup on the Club but I am
    > concerned about the tires.Specifically thereare few available for 650C and none wider than 23mm. I
    > plan to ride roads but have some rough streets to negotiate before I get to smooth pavement. The
    > Strada will take 26 inch and hence more options if I have trouble. I am interested in the
    > experience of those riding 650x23.
     
  11. Skott

    Skott Guest

    "Dave Harney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > I'm waiting for delivery of my Volae Club. I really did not want 23 tires so we have agreed on
    > 650x25 tires. Rolf said the fit would be close but not a problem. He is taking care of the change
    > from the standard 23.
    >
    >
    > "skott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > I am considering a Volae Club vs Strada. I like the better wheelset and setup on the Club but I
    > > am concerned about the tires.Specifically thereare few available for 650C and none wider than
    > > 23mm. I plan to ride roads but have some rough streets to negotiate before I get to smooth
    > > pavement. The Strada will take 26 inch and hence more options if I have trouble. I am interested
    > > in the experience of those riding 650x23.

    Thanks for all the info. I would still like to hear how riders are doing re: flats and 650Cx23 tires
    on Corsas, Aeros and the like. Dave? What kind of tires were the 650x25 you mentioned?

    Skott Shopping for a recumbent
     
  12. Bob Rogers

    Bob Rogers Guest

    Skott: I've ridden my Bacchetta Aero about 1600 miles, all down in Palm Springs on "regular"roads.
    Right off the bat I had several flats with the OEM tires, the Vredesteins in 650x23. Down there we
    have a fair amount of road debris; ie, glass and cactus/thistle which gave me the flats. I changed
    to the Michelin Pro Race. I suspect that they are heavier but they do have a more substantial
    carcass especially in the tread area. No flats since the change. The Michelins run @120# in contrast
    to the 145# of the Vredesteins. Most of the DF riders down there use the Michelins in 700x23 and
    have few flat problems. Good luck.

    news:<[email protected]>...
    > "Dave Harney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]>...
    > > I'm waiting for delivery of my Volae Club. I really did not want 23 tires so we have agreed on
    > > 650x25 tires. Rolf said the fit would be close but not a problem. He is taking care of the
    > > change from the standard 23.
    > >
    > >
    > > "skott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > I am considering a Volae Club vs Strada. I like the better wheelset and setup on the Club but
    > > > I am concerned about the tires.Specifically thereare few available for 650C and none wider
    > > > than 23mm. I plan to ride roads but have some rough streets to negotiate before I get to
    > > > smooth pavement. The Strada will take 26 inch and hence more options if I have trouble. I am
    > > > interested in the experience of those riding 650x23.
    >
    > Thanks for all the info. I would still like to hear how riders are doing re: flats and 650Cx23
    > tires on Corsas, Aeros and the like. Dave? What kind of tires were the 650x25 you mentioned?
    >
    > Skott Shopping for a recumbent
     
  13. Freewheeling

    Freewheeling Guest

    On Thu, 22 May 2003 07:23:41 -0400, "Jude T. McGloin" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Come over sometime, I'm only an a bay away.

    I'll do that soon. Need to get the hell out of here.

    --Scott
     
  14. Dave Harney

    Dave Harney Guest

    Good question as to the tire brand - right now I don't know the answer. On our current tandem we
    experimented with various tires and found the Panaracer Messenger (I guess designed to hold up for
    bike messengers) to be excellent for durability and flat resistance - its also a folding tire that
    we run at 110 psi in a 26x1.25 size.

    "skott" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > "Dave Harney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:<[email protected]>...
    > > I'm waiting for delivery of my Volae Club. I really did not want 23
    tires
    > > so we have agreed on 650x25 tires. Rolf said the fit would be close but
    not
    > > a problem. He is taking care of the change from the standard 23.
    > >
    > >
    > > "skott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > I am considering a Volae Club vs Strada. I like the better wheelset and setup on the Club but
    > > > I am concerned about the tires.Specifically thereare few available for 650C and none wider
    > > > than 23mm. I plan to ride roads but have some rough streets to negotiate before I get to
    > > > smooth pavement. The Strada will take 26 inch and hence more options if I have trouble. I am
    > > > interested in the experience of those riding 650x23.
    >
    > Thanks for all the info. I would still like to hear how riders are doing re: flats and 650Cx23
    > tires on Corsas, Aeros and the like. Dave? What kind of tires were the 650x25 you mentioned?
    >
    > Skott Shopping for a recumbent
     
  15. Pj

    Pj Guest

    [email protected] (skott) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > I am considering a Volae Club vs Strada. I like the better wheelset and setup on the Club but I am
    > concerned about the tires.Specifically thereare few available for 650C and none wider than 23mm. I
    > plan to ride roads but have some rough streets to negotiate before I get to smooth pavement. The
    > Strada will take 26 inch and hence more options if I have trouble. I am interested in the
    > experience of those riding 650x23.

    While I certainly like the flexibility of using 559 tires if I wish, I have had very good luck
    with Micheline Axial Pro Race 650c tires. I have only had one flat in about 1000 miles which is
    pretty good for where I ride. So far this is better than what I got from Comp Pools and Primo
    Comets on my V-Rex.

    Pat
     
  16. Dave Harney

    Dave Harney Guest

    I stand corrected. Rolf said he would put on 650 x 25 C if we can find some good tires in this size
    - so far no luck. What confuses me is this business about ISO 571 mm = 26 x 1, 26 x 1 1/2, 26 x 1
    3/4, 650 C. From this it would seem that various 26 inch tires should work?

    "Dave Harney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Good question as to the tire brand - right now I don't know the answer.
    On
    > our current tandem we experimented with various tires and found the Panaracer Messenger (I guess
    > designed to hold up for bike messengers) to
    be
    > excellent for durability and flat resistance - its also a folding tire
    that
    > we run at 110 psi in a 26x1.25 size.
    >
    >
    > "skott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > "Dave Harney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:<[email protected]>...
    > > > I'm waiting for delivery of my Volae Club. I really did not want 23
    > tires
    > > > so we have agreed on 650x25 tires. Rolf said the fit would be close
    but
    > not
    > > > a problem. He is taking care of the change from the standard 23.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "skott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > I am considering a Volae Club vs Strada. I like the better wheelset and setup on the Club
    > > > > but I am concerned about the
    tires.Specifically
    > > > > thereare few available for 650C and none wider than 23mm. I plan to ride roads but have some
    > > > > rough streets to negotiate before I get to smooth pavement. The Strada will take 26 inch and
    > > > > hence more
    options
    > > > > if I have trouble. I am interested in the experience of those riding 650x23.
    > >
    > > Thanks for all the info. I would still like to hear how riders are doing re: flats and 650Cx23
    > > tires on Corsas, Aeros and the like. Dave? What kind of tires were the 650x25 you mentioned?
    > >
    > > Skott Shopping for a recumbent
     
  17. Mick

    Mick Guest

    I've been using Vredestein 650c X 23 tires for a little over a year. I also used the 700c version of
    these same tires for about 2 years before that. I like the tires. I average over 2500 miles on a
    front tire and a little over 2,000 miles on a rear. I rarely have a flat. Many times I replace the
    tires without ever flating. Whenever I change tires I change tubes and I use Vredestein or
    Continential long stem tubes tubes. I run the tires at 120# unless we're racing or TT then I'll pump
    the tires past the recommended 145# to 160#. The tires handle very well where I ride and I'm very
    pleased with them.

    BentMick
     
  18. 571's use the old french designation of 650C. 559's were typically until the last 5 or so years
    lower pressure ATB/MTB tires. Now they are available down to 559 X 28 or 26 X 1.0. 559s and 571
    although catagorized a 26" tires in Sutherlands Bicycle Manual are not interchangable. The 571 or
    650C was nearly extinct until it became a choice for triathalon bikes mostly among woman. Now its
    becoming fashionable among male riders. The industries response to this was to start producing this
    tire size in the most popular tires ie: Schwabe Stevilo, Michelin Pro Race, Pro Race Lite,
    Hutchenson Carbon Comp, Verd Fortezza and Tricomp. These are in the 23mm size and now appearing in
    the 20mm. The 559 has many more choices in widths and durability. Both in tires and rims. I use the
    571 on my AERO and before that I used the 559 X 28 Schwabe Stevelios on my V-REX and STRADA with
    light weight rims. I will sing my favorite song. Use the equipment that best suits your weight, bike
    purpose and needs. My personal wants are light and fast for hard fast rides on smooth clean roads.
    Flats and broken spokes ruin a ride. If your big, flat prone, ride on potholed roads with lots of
    hazards you may want to consider a beefier 559 wheel/tire combo over the 571..
    --
    Jude....///Bacchetta AERO St. Michaels and Tilghman Island.. Maryland Wheel Doctor Cycle and Sports,
    Inc 1-800-586-6645 "Dave Harney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I stand corrected. Rolf said he would put on 650 x 25 C if we can find
    some
    > good tires in this size - so far no luck. What confuses me is this
    business
    > about ISO 571 mm = 26 x 1, 26 x 1 1/2, 26 x 1 3/4, 650 C. From this it would seem that various 26
    > inch tires should work?
    >
    >
    > "Dave Harney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Good question as to the tire brand - right now I don't know the answer.
    > On
    > > our current tandem we experimented with various tires and found the Panaracer Messenger (I guess
    > > designed to hold up for bike messengers) to
    > be
    > > excellent for durability and flat resistance - its also a folding tire
    > that
    > > we run at 110 psi in a 26x1.25 size.
    > >
    > >
    > > "skott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > "Dave Harney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:<[email protected]>...
    > > > > I'm waiting for delivery of my Volae Club. I really did not want 23
    > > tires
    > > > > so we have agreed on 650x25 tires. Rolf said the fit would be close
    > but
    > > not
    > > > > a problem. He is taking care of the change from the standard 23.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > "skott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > I am considering a Volae Club vs Strada. I like the better
    wheelset
    > > > > > and setup on the Club but I am concerned about the
    > tires.Specifically
    > > > > > thereare few available for 650C and none wider than 23mm. I plan
    to
    > > > > > ride roads but have some rough streets to negotiate before I get
    to
    > > > > > smooth pavement. The Strada will take 26 inch and hence more
    > options
    > > > > > if I have trouble. I am interested in the experience of those riding 650x23.
    > > >
    > > > Thanks for all the info. I would still like to hear how riders are doing re: flats and 650Cx23
    > > > tires on Corsas, Aeros and the like. Dave? What kind of tires were the 650x25 you mentioned?
    > > >
    > > > Skott Shopping for a recumbent
    > >
    >
     
  19. Dave Harney

    Dave Harney Guest

    Thanks for the analysis, much appreciated - until I got into this thread I had no idea how
    complicated this tire sizing had become.

    "Jude T. McGloin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > 571's use the old french designation of 650C. 559's were typically until the last 5 or so
    > years lower pressure ATB/MTB tires. Now they are available down to 559 X 28 or 26 X 1.0.
    > 559s and 571 although catagorized
    a
    > 26" tires in Sutherlands Bicycle Manual are not interchangable. The 571 or 650C was nearly
    > extinct until it became a choice for triathalon bikes mostly among woman. Now its becoming
    > fashionable among
    male
    > riders. The industries response to this was to start producing this tire size in the most popular
    > tires ie: Schwabe Stevilo, Michelin Pro Race, Pro Race Lite, Hutchenson Carbon Comp, Verd Fortezza
    > and Tricomp. These are in the 23mm size and now appearing in the 20mm. The 559 has many more
    > choices in widths and durability. Both in
    tires
    > and rims. I use the 571 on my AERO and before that I used the 559 X 28 Schwabe Stevelios on my
    > V-REX and STRADA with light weight rims. I will sing my favorite song. Use the equipment that
    > best suits
    your
    > weight, bike purpose and needs. My personal wants are light and fast for hard fast rides on smooth
    > clean roads. Flats and broken spokes ruin a ride. If your big, flat prone, ride on potholed roads
    > with lots of hazards you may want to consider a beefier 559 wheel/tire combo over the 571..
    > --
    > Jude....///Bacchetta AERO St. Michaels and Tilghman Island.. Maryland Wheel Doctor Cycle and
    > Sports, Inc 1-800-586-6645 "Dave Harney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > I stand corrected. Rolf said he would put on 650 x 25 C if we can find
    > some
    > > good tires in this size - so far no luck. What confuses me is this
    > business
    > > about ISO 571 mm = 26 x 1, 26 x 1 1/2, 26 x 1 3/4, 650 C. From this
    it
    > > would seem that various 26 inch tires should work?
    > >
    > >
    > > "Dave Harney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > Good question as to the tire brand - right now I don't know the
    answer.
    > > On
    > > > our current tandem we experimented with various tires and found the Panaracer Messenger (I
    > > > guess designed to hold up for bike messengers)
    to
    > > be
    > > > excellent for durability and flat resistance - its also a folding tire
    > > that
    > > > we run at 110 psi in a 26x1.25 size.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > "skott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > "Dave Harney" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:<[email protected]>...
    > > > > > I'm waiting for delivery of my Volae Club. I really did not want
    23
    > > > tires
    > > > > > so we have agreed on 650x25 tires. Rolf said the fit would be
    close
    > > but
    > > > not
    > > > > > a problem. He is taking care of the change from the standard 23.
    > > > > >
    > > > > >
    > > > > > "skott" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > > > > I am considering a Volae Club vs Strada. I like the better
    > wheelset
    > > > > > > and setup on the Club but I am concerned about the
    > > tires.Specifically
    > > > > > > thereare few available for 650C and none wider than 23mm. I
    plan
    > to
    > > > > > > ride roads but have some rough streets to negotiate before I get
    > to
    > > > > > > smooth pavement. The Strada will take 26 inch and hence more
    > > options
    > > > > > > if I have trouble. I am interested in the experience of those riding 650x23.
    > > > >
    > > > > Thanks for all the info. I would still like to hear how riders are doing re: flats and
    > > > > 650Cx23 tires on Corsas, Aeros and the like. Dave? What kind of tires were the 650x25 you
    > > > > mentioned?
    > > > >
    > > > > Skott Shopping for a recumbent
    > > >
    > > >
    > >
    >
     
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