Hi all I'm after a bit of help. After a long and tortuous personal dilemma over steel v alu v ti v carbon etc etc, I have come to the decision that my next frame will be a steel one. I don't want to raise the issue of steel v any other type of material. I have come down to choosing steel as I have basically decided that I like the look of the classic, lugged steel frames and want to invest in a frame that will last me a long time. Plus I seem to have a good choice locally. My options are as follows (that I have narrowed down to):- 1. gios compact pro. made from dedacciai "special custom tubing for gios" according to their website. Nice classic looks with chrome lugs etc. Available from a LBS (Plus I already have a gios). Does anyone know what this material is equivalent to in the deddaciai range?? frame weight is reportedly 1850g for an average size frame according to gios website. 2. custom build by local frame builder. Usually builds in reynolds 853 and can build me a nice lugged frame with chrome head lugs / rear end etc. Will also build in columbus and I would be interested in ultra foco which seems to be the equivalent of 853. Custom build would be more expensive but not considerably so when compared to the gios. I can of course ask the local builder his opinion on 853 v ultra foco but also after some independent opinions. I would particularly like to know:- likely frame weight of average lugged frame built from 853 or ultrafoco? Any other key differentials? what is the gios deddaciai custom tubing equivalent to (similar or poorer standard)? Is custom better all the way or is the gios likely to be just as good (off the peg but in 1 cm increments)? Anyway, thanks in advance for any guidance you can give.