A Leg Cramp Treatment???

Discussion in 'Health and medical' started by Peanutjake, Mar 8, 2004.

  1. Peanutjake

    Peanutjake Guest

    I was talking to a friend who is an athletic coach. I told
    him about the leg cramps I get at night. He said that when a
    athlete sweats a lot he can suffer from leg cramps because
    of an electrolyte imbalance.. To avoid this the athlete
    drinks a Sport Drink like Gatorade.

    Well as a diabetic, I urinate a lot and, I presume, lose a
    lot of electrolytes. I told him that Gatorade has too many
    carbs for me. He said that I probably could find a carb free
    substitute at a health food store.

    Well, before I go shopping and spend my money I thought that
    I would ask here if there was any scientific evidence that
    would help.

    I am not looking for opinions, but I am looking for proof.

    PJ
     
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  2. Mike Gray

    Mike Gray Guest

    Peanutjake wrote:

    > I was talking to a friend who is an athletic coach. I told
    > him about the leg cramps I get at night. He said that when
    > a athlete sweats a lot he can suffer from leg cramps
    > because of an electrolyte imbalance.. To avoid this the
    > athlete drinks a Sport Drink like Gatorade.
    >
    > Well as a diabetic, I urinate a lot and, I presume, lose a
    > lot of electrolytes. I told him that Gatorade has too many
    > carbs for me. He said that I probably could find a carb
    > free substitute at a health food store.
    >
    > Well, before I go shopping and spend my money I thought
    > that I would ask here if there was any scientific evidence
    > that would help.
    >
    > I am not looking for opinions, but I am looking for proof.

    Yeah, electrolytes prevent cramps, especially Potassium.

    But bananas are cheaper than Gatorade and the container is
    biodegradable.
     
  3. Jennifer

    Jennifer Guest

    Peanut...

    I'm more concerned that you urinate a lot.

    If you're a controlled diabetic, you shouldn't urinate any
    more than anyone else. Excess urination is the bodies way of
    ridding itself of excess gluocose. How are your numbers?

    If they're good, and you're still urinating a lot, you may
    want to talk to your doctor about other reasons. Prostate?

    Jennifer

    Peanutjake wrote:
    > I was talking to a friend who is an athletic coach. I told
    > him about the leg cramps I get at night. He said that when
    > a athlete sweats a lot he can suffer from leg cramps
    > because of an electrolyte imbalance.. To avoid this the
    > athlete drinks a Sport Drink like Gatorade.
    >
    > Well as a diabetic, I urinate a lot and, I presume, lose a
    > lot of electrolytes. I told him that Gatorade has too many
    > carbs for me. He said that I probably could find a carb
    > free substitute at a health food store.
    >
    > Well, before I go shopping and spend my money I thought
    > that I would ask here if there was any scientific evidence
    > that would help.
    >
    > I am not looking for opinions, but I am looking for proof.
    >
    > PJ
     
  4. Julie Bove

    Julie Bove Guest

    "Peanutjake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I was talking to a friend who is an athletic coach. I told
    > him about the leg cramps I get at night. He said that when
    > a athlete sweats a lot he can suffer from leg cramps
    because of an electrolyte
    > imbalance.. To avoid this the athlete drinks a Sport Drink
    > like Gatorade.
    >
    > Well as a diabetic, I urinate a lot and, I presume, lose
    > a lot of
    electrolytes. I told him that
    > Gatorade has too many carbs for me. He said that I
    > probably could find a carb free substitute at a
    > health food
    store.
    >
    > Well, before I go shopping and spend my money I thought
    > that I would ask
    here if there was any
    > scientific evidence that would help.
    >
    > I am not looking for opinions, but I am looking for proof.

    Gatorade is basically salt, potassium, water, and juice or
    other sweetener (carbs). Past searches have turned up plenty
    of sugar free sports drink recipes, but I couldn't find any
    just now. I did see that Atkins now has a very expensive,
    sugar free sports drink. I'm not recommending it, mind you.
    And there is one sugar free brand (can't remember the name)
    that is available locally, here in NY only.

    What is of more concern to me is the reason for the cramps.
    Don't just assume that it's an electrolyte imbalance. It
    could be. And if it is, this is something your Dr. should
    address. If you are low on potassium, you may well be low on
    magnesium also. These are not things you should self treat.

    Neuropathy can cause cramps, especially at night. Diabetics
    are prone to getting Neuropathy. I have it. My legs cramp
    badly when it is acting up. And it usually acts up when my
    BG is high. How is your BG?

    --
    Type 2 http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/
     
  5. Fred

    Fred Guest

    I have been taking a magnesium capsule or tablet for some
    time for night cramps. Available at supermarket
    vitamin/supplement type shelves. They work immediately.

    "Peanutjake" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    berlin.de...
    > I was talking to a friend who is an athletic coach. I told
    > him about the leg cramps I get at night. He said that when
    > a athlete sweats a lot he can suffer from leg cramps
    because of an electrolyte
    > imbalance.. To avoid this the athlete drinks a Sport Drink
    > like Gatorade.
    >
    > Well as a diabetic, I urinate a lot and, I presume, lose
    > a lot of
    electrolytes. I told him that
    > Gatorade has too many carbs for me. He said that I
    > probably could find a carb free substitute at a
    > health food
    store.
    >
    > Well, before I go shopping and spend my money I thought
    > that I would ask
    here if there was any
    > scientific evidence that would help.
    >
    > I am not looking for opinions, but I am looking for proof.
    >
    > PJ
     
  6. cc'd by email WHY ARN"T YOU TAKING YOUR MEDS ? !!!

    You are clearly out of control, and dehydrating.

    Also, a sport drink makes it WORSE for diabetics

    Eat bananas today (for potassium), and IMMEDIATLY get your
    BG under control, or you will see a lot worse then leg
    cramps soon.

    When your BG is under control, your leg cramps, frequent
    urination, dry mouth, etc. will all go away.

    Without control, your kidneys will fail, OR, if you are
    lucky, you will merely lose your arms and legs.
    Peanutjake wrote:

    > I was talking to a friend who is an athletic coach. I told
    > him about the leg cramps I get at night. He said that when
    > a athlete sweats a lot he can suffer from leg cramps
    > because of an electrolyte imbalance.. To avoid this the
    > athlete drinks a Sport Drink like Gatorade.
    >
    > Well as a diabetic, I urinate a lot and, I presume, lose a
    > lot of electrolytes. I told him that Gatorade has too many
    > carbs for me. He said that I probably could find a carb
    > free substitute at a health food store.
    >
    > Well, before I go shopping and spend my money I thought
    > that I would ask here if there was any scientific evidence
    > that would help.
    >
    > I am not looking for opinions, but I am looking for proof.
    >
    > PJ
     
  7. Collie Burns

    Collie Burns Guest

    OK Bananas have l bunch of availible Potassium, but as
    everyone here should know, they also contain a good dose of
    carbohydrates. What other foods have a high potassium
    concentration, but now carbs?? I have heard that "TVP"
    contains a lot. TVP is Textured Vegetable Protien made from
    Soya (usually). I am not sure if it is naturally occuring or
    added. What are some others?

    --Jeremy

    mike gray wrote:
    > Peanutjake wrote:
    >
    >> I was talking to a friend who is an athletic coach. I
    >> told him about the leg cramps I get at night. He said
    >> that when a athlete sweats a lot he can suffer from leg
    >> cramps because of an electrolyte imbalance.. To avoid
    >> this the athlete drinks a Sport Drink like Gatorade.
    >>
    >> Well as a diabetic, I urinate a lot and, I presume, lose
    >> a lot of electrolytes. I told him that Gatorade has too
    >> many carbs for me. He said that I probably could find a
    >> carb free substitute at a health food store.
    >>
    >> Well, before I go shopping and spend my money I thought
    >> that I would ask here if there was any scientific
    >> evidence that would help.
    >>
    >> I am not looking for opinions, but I am looking for
    >> proof.
    >
    >
    > Yeah, electrolytes prevent cramps, especially Potassium.
    >
    > But bananas are cheaper than Gatorade and the container is
    > biodegradable.
     
  8. Alan

    Alan Guest

    On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 21:36:27 GMT, mike gray <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Yeah, electrolytes prevent cramps, especially Potassium.
    >
    >But bananas are cheaper than Gatorade and the container is
    >biodegradable.

    And will give me very high BGs.

    I use Quinine Bisulphate, but you need to be aware of
    the possible nasty side effects, so I only use it when
    cramp occurs.

    Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
    --
    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
     
  9. Alice Faber

    Alice Faber Guest

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Peanutjake" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    > berlin.de...
    > > I was talking to a friend who is an athletic coach. I
    > > told him about the leg cramps I get at night. He said
    > > that when a athlete sweats a lot he can suffer from leg
    > > cramps
    > because of an electrolyte
    > > imbalance.. To avoid this the athlete drinks a Sport
    > > Drink like Gatorade.
    > >
    > > Well as a diabetic, I urinate a lot and, I presume, lose
    > > a lot of
    > electrolytes. I told him that
    > > Gatorade has too many carbs for me. He said that I
    > > probably could find a carb free substitute at a
    > > health food
    > store.
    > >
    > > Well, before I go shopping and spend my money I thought
    > > that I would ask
    > here if there was any
    > > scientific evidence that would help.
    > >
    > > I am not looking for opinions, but I am looking for
    > > proof.
    >
    > Gatorade is basically salt, potassium, water, and juice
    > or other sweetener (carbs). Past searches have turned up
    > plenty of sugar free sports drink recipes, but I
    > couldn't find any just now. I did see that Atkins now
    > has a very expensive, sugar free sports drink. I'm not
    > recommending it, mind you. And there is one sugar free
    > brand (can't remember the name) that is available
    > locally, here in NY only.

    At one point, somebody posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb a
    "recipe" for a sugar-free equivalent of Gatorade. It
    involved water, salt, potassium, Splenda, and some kind of
    fruit flavoring. Here's one recipe:
    <[email protected]>

    Some other posters recommended adding 1/4 tsp of Morton Lite
    (replacement salt that has potassium in it) to a glass of
    Crystal Light or sugar-free Koolaid.

    --
    AF "Non Sequitur U has a really, really lousy debate team."
    --artyw raises the bar on rec.sport.baseball
     
  10. I usually get something called "Slo-Mag" from Wally World
    when my legs act up - only cramp when I hit the rack for
    the evening.

    On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 19:30:51 -0500, Alice Faber
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> "Peanutjake" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    >> berlin.de...
    >> > I was talking to a friend who is an athletic coach. I
    >> > told him about the leg cramps I get at night. He said
    >> > that when a athlete sweats a lot he can suffer from leg
    >> > cramps
    >> because of an electrolyte
    >> > imbalance.. To avoid this the athlete drinks a Sport
    >> > Drink like Gatorade.
    >> >
    >> > Well as a diabetic, I urinate a lot and, I presume,
    >> > lose a lot of
    >> electrolytes. I told him that
    >> > Gatorade has too many carbs for me. He said that I
    >> > probably could find a carb free substitute at a
    >> > health food
    >> store.
    >> >
    >> > Well, before I go shopping and spend my money I thought
    >> > that I would ask
    >> here if there was any
    >> > scientific evidence that would help.
    >> >
    >> > I am not looking for opinions, but I am looking for
    >> > proof.
    >>
    >> Gatorade is basically salt, potassium, water, and juice
    >> or other sweetener (carbs). Past searches have turned up
    >> plenty of sugar free sports drink recipes, but I
    >> couldn't find any just now. I did see that Atkins now
    >> has a very expensive, sugar free sports drink. I'm not
    >> recommending it, mind you. And there is one sugar free
    >> brand (can't remember the name) that is available
    >> locally, here in NY only.
    >
    >At one point, somebody posted to alt.support.diet.low-carb
    >a "recipe" for a sugar-free equivalent of Gatorade. It
    >involved water, salt, potassium, Splenda, and some kind of
    >fruit flavoring. Here's one recipe:
    ><[email protected]>
    >
    >Some other posters recommended adding 1/4 tsp of Morton
    >Lite (replacement salt that has potassium in it) to a glass
    >of Crystal Light or sugar-free Koolaid.

    Use the usual techniques to reply via email.

    Molon Labe!
     
  11. Beav

    Beav Guest

    "Peanutjake" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I was talking to a friend who is an athletic coach. I told
    > him about the leg cramps I get at night. He said that when
    > a athlete sweats a lot he can suffer from leg cramps
    because of an electrolyte
    > imbalance.. To avoid this the athlete drinks a Sport Drink
    > like Gatorade.
    >
    > Well as a diabetic, I urinate a lot and, I presume, lose
    > a lot of
    electrolytes. I told him that
    > Gatorade has too many carbs for me. He said that I
    > probably could find a carb free substitute at a
    > health food
    store.
    >
    > Well, before I go shopping and spend my money I thought
    > that I would ask
    here if there was any
    > scientific evidence that would help.
    >
    > I am not looking for opinions, but I am looking for proof.

    Well you're looking in the wrong place Peanut. This is a
    newsgroup not a science lab. Having said that, I cured leg
    cramps instantly. A lick of salt.

    Beav
     
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  13. Rainbow

    Rainbow Guest

    I know you are going to look at me like I have 3 heads, but
    here goes .. sugarfree tonic water with quinine in it. I kid
    you not ! My mom's
    dr. had her doing this when she had this trouble and it does
    seem to work. You can drink regular tonic water, also,
    if you can handle the carb ... Rainbow
     
  14. Rainbow

    Rainbow Guest

    CPM. for me ... calcium, potassium, magnesium. I see
    someone posted a list of foods, that all work for me. And I
    take an OTC CPM supplement. My mom does, too, but also the
    quinine water that her dr. said to. Alternately, he
    suggested white raisins. ( NOT dark ones ) soaked in gin.
    He aid his running partner used this. He told her to soak
    them in gin and keep them in the fridge and eat about 10
    before bed ... Oh boy, I hope I don't start a stampede to
    the liquor cabinet and the fridge ! LOL ! I also have an
    herbal hot pack I use. I heat in the microwave and apply it
    before bed. It is a fabric pillow type thing, filled with
    herbal material. It helps. Rainbow
     
  15. Pete

    Pete Guest

    On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 19:54:32 -0000, "Beav"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Peanutjake" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]
    >berlin.de...
    >> I was talking to a friend who is an athletic coach. I
    >> told him about the leg cramps I get at night. He said
    >> that when a athlete sweats a lot he can suffer from
    >> leg cramps
    >because of an electrolyte
    >> imbalance.. To avoid this the athlete drinks a Sport
    >> Drink like Gatorade.

    >> Well as a diabetic, I urinate a lot and, I presume, lose
    >> a lot of
    >electrolytes. I told him that
    >> Gatorade has too many carbs for me. He said that I
    >> probably could find a carb free substitute at a
    >> health food
    >store.

    >> Well, before I go shopping and spend my money I thought
    >> that I would ask
    >here if there was any
    >> scientific evidence that would help.

    >> I am not looking for opinions, but I am looking for
    >> proof.
    >Well you're looking in the wrong place Peanut. This is a
    >newsgroup not a science lab. Having said that, I cured leg
    >cramps instantly. A lick of salt. Beav

    Quinine will reduce leg cramps. not sure on diabetic
    implications though.

    Pete
     
  16. Peanutjake

    Peanutjake Guest

    "Jennifer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Peanut...
    >
    > I'm more concerned that you urinate a lot.
    >
    > If you're a controlled diabetic, you shouldn't urinate any
    > more than anyone else. Excess urination is the bodies way
    > of ridding itself of excess glucose. How are your numbers?
    >
    > If they're good, and you're still urinating a lot, you may
    > want to talk to your doctor about other reasons. Prostate?
    >
    > Jennifer

    Thanks Jennifer. Because of a heart attack with heart damage
    some 5 years ago the doctor has me on 2 diaretics. Demadex
    and Spirolactone, in order to prevent fluid buildup in the
    lungs and heart sack. That makes for a lot of urination. I
    also am on a potassium pill. But still have leg cramps.

    hba1c=6.3

    PJ
     
  17. Alan

    Alan Guest

    On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:28:10 +0800, "Fred" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I have been taking a magnesium capsule or tablet for some
    >time for night cramps. Available at supermarket
    >vitamin/supplement type shelves. They work immediately.

    Hi Fred

    Do you have a brand or type name and dosage/concentration
    level. I did try magnesium before, without success, but it
    was an OTC product and dosage may be related to
    effectiveness. I'f be happy to find an alternative to
    QuinBisul because of side-effects fear.

    Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
    --
    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
     
  18. Alan

    Alan Guest

    On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:34:55 -0800 (PST), [email protected]
    (rainbow) wrote:

    >I know you are going to look at me like I have 3 heads, but
    >here goes .. sugarfree tonic water with quinine in it. I
    >kid you not ! My mom's
    >dr. had her doing this when she had this trouble and it
    > does seem to work. You can drink regular tonic water,
    > also, if you can handle the carb ... Rainbow

    Why would we do that? Tonic water with quinine is my
    standard when I'm out and haven't got my tabs.

    But it's usually a fairly low concentration.

    Cheers Alan, T2, Australia. dx May 2002 , A1C 8.2=>5.9, wt
    117kg=>90kg, No diabetes meds.Diet and not enough exercise.
    I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience.
    Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an
    expensive teacher.
    --
    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
     
  19. Alan

    Alan Guest

    On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:49:01 -0800 (PST), [email protected]
    (rainbow) wrote:

    >CPM. for me ... calcium, potassium, magnesium. I see
    >someone posted a list of foods, that all work for me. And I
    >take an OTC CPM supplement. My mom does, too, but also the
    >quinine water that her dr. said to. Alternately, he
    >suggested white raisins. ( NOT dark ones ) soaked in gin.
    >He aid his running partner used this. He told her to soak
    >them in gin and keep them in the fridge and eat about 10
    >before bed ... Oh boy, I hope I don't start a stampede to
    >the liquor cabinet and the fridge ! LOL ! I also have an
    >herbal hot pack I use. I heat in the microwave and apply it
    >before bed. It is a fabric pillow type thing, filled with
    >herbal material. It helps. Rainbow

    Gin-soaked raisins? Might not cure the cramp, but if ate
    enough of them, I probably wouldn't care, at least until the
    hangover in the morning ;-)

    Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
    --
    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
     
  20. Pete

    Pete Guest

    On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 22:34:55 -0800 (PST),
    [email protected] (rainbow) wrote:

    >I know you are going to look at me like I have 3 heads, but
    >here goes .. sugarfree tonic water with quinine in it. I
    >kid you not ! My mom's
    >dr. had her doing this when she had this trouble and it
    > does seem to work. You can drink regular tonic water,
    > also, if you can handle the carb ... Rainbow

    When addicted to Tramadol [Very bad experience] I suffered
    severe leg cramps occasionaly and an almost constant nagging
    which would develop into a massive cramp. Often going from
    the back of my knees up my back. [Or that's what it felt
    like]. I was prescribed tablets with quinine in them 1 x 30
    mg daily IIRC. within a few days the problem subsided to
    tollerable levels and disappeared altogether in two weeks.

    Pete
     
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