A plea for netiquette

JJuggle said:

*Tsk, Bruce. Your use of the word "bad" is totally and completely
redundant. The phrase "to pass judgement" implies censure making the
word "bad" entirely unneeded and utterly unnecessary. *

You know, I actually went back in before I posted and added the word
"bad" to the phrase. I was talking on the phone at the same time so
perhaps I need to stick to within my limits - one task at one time.

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yoopers said:

*You know, I actually went back in before I posted and added the word
"bad" to the phrase. I was talking on the phone at the same time so
perhaps I need to stick to within my limits - one task at one time.

Where's my hari kari sword? *

I'm sure if you head over to Wrigley Field they can find it. 🙂

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Sure, people shouldn't be insulting when correcting other people's
spelling and grammar, but does that mean that it shouldn't be corrected
at all? Is there something wrong with encouraging better spelling and
grammar? I, for one, would like to know when i make little or no sense,
because i posted for a purpose, and i want to be understood.

It was brought up that, "just because people can't spell or use proper
grammar or punctuation, it doesn't mean that they are stupid. In fact
they may be amazing scientists, etc., but that never shows up in their
posts". Yup, you're absolutely right, but, by the same token, if
someone wrote that 2+2=5, wouldn't everyone (even the English-smart,
science-stupid people) pipe up and say that he was wrong?

Sure it's tedious to be correcting people all the time, and it's tedious
to read posts that only point out other people's mistakes, but i think
that it's worse to have to read over posts 2 or 3 times in order to
understand WTF people are talking about.

It takes about 10 minutes to learn the difference between: 'there',
'their', and 'they're'; and 'two', 'to', and 'too'. Why doesn't
everyone go ahead and do it?

The fact is that if you are wrong, then you are wrong, so there is no
reason not to be corrected, but insulting has no place here or anywhere
else. Horray for education!

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cyberpunk: It's 'riding', not 'ridding', unless by 'ridding' you mean
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I say the more "netique" and less "netiquette" the better.

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yoopers said:

*
I did come down on one of our brethern once upon a time for spelling
and grammatical errors when he attempted to call me lazy for having a
few extra pounds on my frame.
http://tinyurl.com/csddx *

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How interesting it is that the more amusing and interesting threads on
this forum tend not to be about unicycling and there probably should
have been more punctuation in this sentence than there is to make it
more readable but what do I know and at least I can spell TYRE and
ALUMINIUM !!! :eek:

I know I can be a bit pedantic at times about language, but this is a
forum where people express their views in whatever terms they see fit.
Presumably most people would communicate in similar vein face-to-face.
It is, however, easier to offend in writing than in speach because the
reader can't get the visual cues we send with our body language and
facial gestures. I do not know what my point is really, just rambling
because I liked this thread.

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munidobs said:

*Presumably most people would communicate in similar vein
face-to-face. *

Only a moron would believe this to be the case. Only a complete idiot
would fail to recognize that that this is not the case is one of the
defining characteristics of newsgroup communications. Only the dumbest
person in the world has never seen this or having seen it failed to
immediately understand its significance:

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http://www-db.stanford.edu/pub/gio/CS99I/figures/DogInternet_075.gif]

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JJuggle said:

*Only a moron, only a complete idiot, only the dumbest person...*

Seems like an appropriate time for me to chime in on this great
thread.

For! No, Against!!! No wait, I mean, uh, what were we arguing about?

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Quoted message said:

It takes about 10 minutes to learn the difference between: 'there',
'their', and 'they're'; and 'two', 'to', and 'too'. Why doesn't
everyone go ahead and do it?

I will never 'learn' to spell. I read more than most people I know &
have been struggling to learn to spell for the past 40 years. It aint
going to happen just because somebody points out to me that I've spelt
something wrong.
But if you feel the need to do so - go ahead. You certainly wont be the
first or last.

Cathy

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-"It takes about 10 minutes to learn the difference between: 'there',
'their', and 'they're'; and 'two', 'to', and 'too'. Why doesn't everyone
go ahead and do it? "-
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there, their, they're...don't nick-pick ! 😉

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hecklar said:

*It takes about 10 minutes to learn the difference between: 'there',
'their', and 'they're'; and 'two', 'to', and 'too'. Why doesn't
everyone go ahead and do it?
*

What do you think is the reason they're not going to learn the proper
use of these words? Too lazy, or not having two spare minutes in their
crazy schedules.

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One on one said:

*What do you think is the reason they're not going to learn the proper
use of these words? Too lazy, or not having two spare minutes in their
crazy schedules. *

Interesting bit of psychology: if there are exactly two options, then
some people find it almost impossible to remember which one is which.
The reason is that they can't remember whether the option they want is
the one that *is* X, or the one that *isn't* X. That goes for lots of
things: homonyms, spellings, names, dates.

Another aspect of the spelling problem is that it is much easier to
remember how to spell something, or which is the correct word of two
similar ones, if you have some understanding of the etymology (or should
that be "entomology"?😄 ).

Also, grammar is less well taught than previously, and it seems that
some people struggle to find the right word because they don't really
understand how words work together - they are self taught and get by in
day to day life, but can't translate their thoughts to the written
word

None of that is a criticism, but simply an explanantion. The result is
that many people, even very self confident and intelligent ones, are not
very good at writing things down. (In my working life, I deal with
solicitors and medical experts who consistently use wrong words in
important documents. It's not because they're stupid.)

So, back to the forum: it is reasonable to expect people to make an
effort to write as clearly as they can manage, but it is unfair to mock
those who cannot write very well.

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Mikefule said:

*So, back to the forum: it is reasonable to expect people to make an
effort to write as clearly as they can manage, but it is unfair to
mock those who cannot write very well. *

This becomes a slightly bigger problem when it is the mocking that's the
point and the bad spelling is only one of many possible excuses for the
mocking.

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JJuggle said:

*Only a moron would believe this to be the case. Only a complete idiot
would fail to recognize that that this is not the case is one of the
defining characteristics of newsgroup communications. Only the dumbest
person in the world has never seen this or having seen it failed to
immediately understand its significance:

*

I say, dear boy, that was a tad strong. Do you mean I could post here
pretending I could ride a unimacycling thingy ?? Kooooool !!!!

Back on thread though, I take it Mike's initial point was that one
shouldn't replace carefully thought out and reasoned argument with
language/grammar/spelling/typing-dissing. If you can't argue your point
effectively without recourse to insults, then don't contribute. Fair
comment - "Manners maketh Man."

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Learning to spell is like fixing the squeeky door hinge. It only takes 5
years and 5 minutes. 5 years of complaining, 3 minutes to find the oil
can, 1 minute to fix it and another minute to put the can away.

If you have time to fix it, then you had time to go unicycling instead.
Just think of all the extra time you could have. 1 Minute over 10 days
=10 minutes of extra unicycling.

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At this point all I can muster up is....

oppps. 😄

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Quoted message said:

What do you think is the reason they're not going to learn the proper
use of these words? Too lazy, or not having two spare minutes in their
crazy schedules.

Um, i haven't taken a poll or anything, but i'd guess that it's
laziness.

Mikefule brings up an excellent piece of psychology though. I often
have that problem with the 'is' and 'isn't' thing, but, if i'm not sure,
then i refer back to the rule, over and over again. Eventually, i
remember it and no longer make the mistake. It comes down to whether
you care that you're wrong. I, personally, am not a big fan of being
wrong, so i make an effort to correct myself when my wrong is brought to
my attention.

Quoted message said:

I will never 'learn' to spell. I read more than most people I know &
have been struggling to learn to spell for the past 40 years. It aint
going to happen just because somebody points out to me that I've spelt
something wrong.

Really? You're saying that if you always wrote, "I will *neaver*
'learn' to spell", and people constantly told you that it is spelt
'never' because it is a conjunction of 'not' and 'ever', being "n'ever"
and then 'never', you wouldn't eventually learn the proper spelling?
Either i don't understand your inability, or i just have more faith in
you than you do. You seem to spell fine (finely?) to me, and you even
understand the difference between 'then' and 'than', (the former being a
*sequencing* and the latter being a *comparison*, people). If you had
specific, unambiguous rules for all spelling and grammar, and always had
these rules available to you, then i'm pretty you could go without
making a spelling or grammar mistake (typos excluded) ever again. I
think that everyone can 'learn' to spell and use proper grammar, if they
wanted to. It all comes down to will.

I also think that most people could learn to spell and use proper
grammar a lot better than they are currently doing so, without needing
to have to refer to literature for rules all of the time. I'm sure that
they could memorize the rules pretty well on their own. Of course,
there could be the case where learning some new rule makes you forget an
old rule, and, therefore, you're stuck in a never-ending cycle, but
other than that, yeah. I think there's a Homer Simpson quote there
somewhere, but i can't remember what it is.

So, in my view, the way to learn to write properly is to first be
notified when you are wrong, and then to have the will to correct
yourself. The first step, thankfully, is what people have been doing
for others. Thus, my original defence of them. The second step is up
to the people whom ('whom', right, because it's part of the predicate?)
are making the mistakes. Insulting, still, has no place in this
process, though.

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Klaas Bil said:

*On Mon said:

Roadkill, dont you mean:

Spelling? Don't know what your talking about...

Huh huh. And then you overlooked your => you're

Oh, and dont should be don't

I never criticise people's spelling on this forum (I think) unless
they somehow incorrectly 'claim' to spell correctly. All in good fun
though.*

You're nasty Klaas 😠

There I was, typing dont, I figured I've been lazy a lot, and it needs a
', and it didnt, how sucky 🙁 Nah Klaas, I love you really, in a manly
way that is...

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munidobs said:

* at least I can spell TYRE and ALUMINIUM !!! *

Don't exclude "kerb" from that list.

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Bah. Spell better, let bad spelling slide, end of story.

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