Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
|| On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:39:27 -0500, "Roger Zoul"
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|| [snip much agreement]
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||||| I am very sceptical of people selling new ways of losing weight
||||| which seem on the face of it to offer a solution to
||||| sloth+gluttony=fat
||||| without removing either sloth or gluttony.
||
||| Perhaps you really aren't familiar with any of the low-carb plans.
||| They have been around for a very long time.
||| See:
http://www.lowcarb.ca/corpulence/index.html
||
|| Like I said before, I remember the humble potato being blamed for
|| obesity in my youth. I seem to recall my mother cutting out potatoes
|| and bread as one of her perennial attempts to lose the weight she put
|| on her hips following childbirth.
Well, if you follow a plan like Atkins you should learn that it is not hte
potato that's bad. It's he fact that we eat too much carb for our activity
levels. Over time, that has bad effects on the body due to too much insulin
floating around in the blood. It doesn't happen to everyone, but it's
happening more and more these days.
||
|| Yes, there is not much new under the sun
I guess that's part of
|| the reason I'm so sceptical: each new diet is portrayed as some
|| miraculous breakthrough, but finally it all boils down to the usual
|| thing. If you eat more than you burn, you get fat. And yes, much of
|| my annoyance is founded on people (unlike most of us) who are trying
|| to get something for nothing and get a fitter-looking body without
|| actually putting in the work involved in getting fitter. And some of
|| it is, to be fair, the "FFS pull yourself together you whining slob!"
|| factor ;-)
||
||| Low carb does remove, to a large extent, what you refer to as
||| gluttony, for many people. But it is no miracle solution. A person
||| as to want to lose or maintain weight in order for it to work. I
||| also find it funny that many seems to be skeptical of a plan that
||| basically pushes eating real foods, like meat, fish, fowl, nuts,
||| veggies, and fruits. I simply don't get that part unless one is
||| willing to believe that people form opinions without having
||| sufficient knowledge about that which they form opinions.
||| Hmm.....I guess that's not so hard to believe afterall.
||
|| Real food is always good. My in-laws will not buy anything which is
|| not organic, and eat primarily wholefoods (not much processed organic
|| gunk available, after all!). They eat pretty much an average balance
|| of carbs and other food, but they eat healthily and they are both
|| very
|| trim.
||
||| Low-carbers give up cookies, pop, chips, candy bars, pasta, bread,
||| rice, cake, etc. I don't think that's a free lunch at all.
||
|| All but three of those are the kind of junk that anyone who wants to
|| lose weight has to give up anyway. Especially the fizzy drinks - I
|| read of one 13-year-old who consumed the entire recommended daily
|| calorie intake in Coke alone. Needless to say he was obese.
||
||| to put Aktins and South Beach in with the cabbage soup diet
||| is unfair. A low carber follows a plan that allows for a wide
||| variety of foods, with some just being controlled more so than
||| others (carbs).
||
|| I can believe it. Speaking as one whose daily transport is cycling,
|| if I cut down on carbs I fall flat. Atkins seems in many ways to be
|| a
|| way of telling people that you don't need endurance fuel if the
|| farthest you walk is from the sofa to the microwave - but that does
|| not mean that the problems of this lifestyle can be "fixed" by
|| cutting
|| out all carbs. This has gone around here before -people saying they
|| follow Atkins but add carbs to avoid the bonk when riding. So that's
|| Atkins (ELF minus carbs) plus carbs - i.e. plain old ELF ;-)
Well, as you know, Atkins doesn't recommend cutting out all carbs. In fact,
Atkins has a plan for people to figure out their proper carb level and it is
definitely based on activity. The more active you are, the greater the
amount of carbs you can eat on a daily basis. Also, on Atkins you get
plenty of endurnace fuel in the form of fat. The carbs act more for "sprint"
fuel, which is important in cycling too.
||
||| Exercise is recommended on both plans. Those who are successful
||| end up eating less than they did and, if they want, exercising
||| more. However, exercise isn't necessary to maintain weight. It is
||| recommended for more than just weight control, however.
||
|| You can do it just by eating well, just by exercise, or by a
|| combination of both.
Anyone who does it just by exercise has few if any issues with food, or the
overconsumption of it.
Both is probably always going to be best. The
|| definition of what constitutes eating well will always vary over time
|| and between cultures. Look at the Japanese diet, for example - and
|| ISTR they have the lowest rate of coronary heart disease and bowel
|| cancers in the world. So maybe we should all be eating raw dead fish
|| and rice
||
||||| I have seen people fail to manage this on
||||| Atkins just as often as on anything else.
||
||| Of course. Remember, typically, it is the dieters who fail, not
||| the diets.
||
|| Absolutely.
||
||| People just revert back to how they have learned to eat over the
||| years. That, there, is the root of the problem in most of the
||| industrialized world. Too many highly processed stuff passed off as
||| food. People learn to eat certain foods at a young age and cling
||| to them throughout life.
||
|| Definitely a growing problem - I learned to eat healthy and slipped
|| into less healthy with age, adding middle-aged sloth and gluttony on
|| top. I hate to think what's going to happen when the current crop of
|| teenagers with their learned habits of eating **** and playing
|| Nintendo, become middle aged. Actually I think I know: it's started
|| already. At least pension annuities should come down in price...
||
||||| I'm sure that is
||||| just the great crapshoot of life, and that there are loads of
||||| people
||||| who have lost weight and kept it off by dieting. I just never
||||| seem
||||| to meet any. All the thin people I know are gym rats or cyclists.
||
||| What? You think dieting is some special act?
||
|| Not really, but they seem to. Like I say, the people I know who are
|| and remain slim are all gym rats or cyclists - the ones who follow
|| diets - even follow them well and thoroughly - are still overweight.
||
||||| Yes, I quite agree that the superabundance of foods which seem
||||| explicitly designed to offer maximum blubber creation with minimum
||||| food values is a problem. But to suggest that people eat ****
||||| because they don't know any better - well that may be true where
||||| you live, I guess, but over here we are deluged with healthy
||||| eating messages.
|||
||| Where do you live?
||
|| UK.
||
||| Here in the states I rarely see any messages about real
||| healthy eating.
||
|| Bad. Very bad. How big was the fuss about Fat Land over there?
I don't know what Fat Land is. Is that a book?
||
||||| It seems to me that people who
||||| care enough to start looking into diets quickly discover (if they
||||| didn't know already) that junk food and carbonated sugar water
||||| form
||||| no part of a healthy diet.
||
||| Absolutely. However, be careful of what you call junk food. Junk
||| food doesn't come just from the vending machine or the aisle in the
||| store where the cookies and chips are or from the local fast food
||| joints. People can make their own junk food at home. Of course,
||| if they go to the trouble of actually making it, they'll likely
||| consume less of it. The reliance on convenience foods is a big
||| contributor to the obesity crisis.
||
|| Hey, my wife makes great pizza ;-)
A good reason to ride you bike a lot!
