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Kim
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Gemma_k wrote:
> Suggests that cyclists pay for the road they use etc etc
we already do. when will the get that through their thick skulls.
wheres my ... um .. pen&paper, i'm actually p1ssed off enough.
ggrrrrr
kim
> Suggests that cyclists pay for the road they use etc etc
we already do. when will the get that through their thick skulls.
wheres my ... um .. pen&paper, i'm actually p1ssed off enough.
ggrrrrr
kim
Gemma_k said:
sadly there is no R Jory listed in whitepages otherwise you could 'illuminate' him directly
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Visitant
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"Gemma_k" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Suggests that cyclists pay for the road they use etc etc
Here's the "article". Great to see old Rexy's still churning out drivel in
one of News Limited's trashiest rags ;-)
Make the cyclists pay
Here's an unpopular idea. Is it time for governments to levy cyclists who
benefit from the increasing number of cycling lanes on our metropolitan road
system?
While motorists, through motor registration, licence fees and fuel taxes,
contribute financially to the upgrading and maintenance of roads, cyclists
pay nothing.
In many cases, roads are being widened to create cycle lanes, without
additional space for cars.
Perhaps introduce a cycle registration scheme to raise road maintenance
funds.
news:[email protected]...
> Suggests that cyclists pay for the road they use etc etc
Here's the "article". Great to see old Rexy's still churning out drivel in
one of News Limited's trashiest rags ;-)
Make the cyclists pay
Here's an unpopular idea. Is it time for governments to levy cyclists who
benefit from the increasing number of cycling lanes on our metropolitan road
system?
While motorists, through motor registration, licence fees and fuel taxes,
contribute financially to the upgrading and maintenance of roads, cyclists
pay nothing.
In many cases, roads are being widened to create cycle lanes, without
additional space for cars.
Perhaps introduce a cycle registration scheme to raise road maintenance
funds.
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Michael Warner
Guest
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 11:10:46 GMT, Visitant wrote:
> Here's the "article". Great to see old Rexy's still churning out drivel in
> one of News Limited's trashiest rags ;-)
I live in Adelaide, and haven't looked at the local Murdoch rag in
many years. It's utter ****, used mostly to stroke ignorant prejudices
and cross-promote Murdoch's other businesses.
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> Here's the "article". Great to see old Rexy's still churning out drivel in
> one of News Limited's trashiest rags ;-)
I live in Adelaide, and haven't looked at the local Murdoch rag in
many years. It's utter ****, used mostly to stroke ignorant prejudices
and cross-promote Murdoch's other businesses.
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BrettM
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Kim <[email protected]> wrote in news:1125530569.88195@teuthos:
> Gemma_k wrote:
>> Suggests that cyclists pay for the road they use etc etc
>
> we already do. when will the get that through their thick skulls.
> wheres my ... um .. pen&paper, i'm actually p1ssed off enough.
> ggrrrrr
>
> kim
At the risk of getting flamed: No you don't. Why?
Rego pays for about 15% on state roads. State taxes (now GST) pays for
between 60 and 75% for state roads. Federal govt pays for the remaining
percentage at least 50% from fuel excise.
Rates pay for about 60 to 75 % of local roads, developers for between 15
and 20% and the remainder is the fed govt again.
So if you ride your bike an use less fuel then you are stiffing the system
for between 2 and 5% of your contribution =D. Put another way it's about
$20/annum. Somewhere there is a square metre of pavement that didn't find
a home because of you
And you probably spent that on some imported CF thereby raising the balance
of payments issue. Although the GST impost on the imported CF might fix
this.
For penance I suggest that you immediately present yourself to the nearest
custom bike manufacturer and order a new, preferably steel, frame in the
size and colour of your choice.
> Gemma_k wrote:
>> Suggests that cyclists pay for the road they use etc etc
>
> we already do. when will the get that through their thick skulls.
> wheres my ... um .. pen&paper, i'm actually p1ssed off enough.
> ggrrrrr
>
> kim
At the risk of getting flamed: No you don't. Why?
Rego pays for about 15% on state roads. State taxes (now GST) pays for
between 60 and 75% for state roads. Federal govt pays for the remaining
percentage at least 50% from fuel excise.
Rates pay for about 60 to 75 % of local roads, developers for between 15
and 20% and the remainder is the fed govt again.
So if you ride your bike an use less fuel then you are stiffing the system
for between 2 and 5% of your contribution =D. Put another way it's about
$20/annum. Somewhere there is a square metre of pavement that didn't find
a home because of you
And you probably spent that on some imported CF thereby raising the balance
of payments issue. Although the GST impost on the imported CF might fix
this.
For penance I suggest that you immediately present yourself to the nearest
custom bike manufacturer and order a new, preferably steel, frame in the
size and colour of your choice.
M
Michael Warner
Guest
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 12:45:22 GMT, BrettM wrote:
> So if you ride your bike an use less fuel then you are stiffing the system
> for between 2 and 5% of your contribution =D.
But doing virtually no damage to the road. If fuel taxes were to pay
exactly for maintenance due to normal wear and tear, it'd be even.
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> So if you ride your bike an use less fuel then you are stiffing the system
> for between 2 and 5% of your contribution =D.
But doing virtually no damage to the road. If fuel taxes were to pay
exactly for maintenance due to normal wear and tear, it'd be even.
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Kathy
Guest
BrettM wrote:
> Kim <[email protected]> wrote in news:1125530569.88195@teuthos:
>
>
>>Gemma_k wrote:
>>
>>>Suggests that cyclists pay for the road they use etc etc
>>
>>we already do. when will the get that through their thick skulls.
>>wheres my ... um .. pen&paper, i'm actually p1ssed off enough.
>>ggrrrrr
>>
>>kim
>
>
> At the risk of getting flamed: No you don't. Why?
>
> Rego pays for about 15% on state roads. State taxes (now GST) pays for
> between 60 and 75% for state roads. Federal govt pays for the remaining
> percentage at least 50% from fuel excise.
>
> Rates pay for about 60 to 75 % of local roads, developers for between 15
> and 20% and the remainder is the fed govt again.
>
> So if you ride your bike an use less fuel then you are stiffing the system
> for between 2 and 5% of your contribution =D. Put another way it's about
> $20/annum. Somewhere there is a square metre of pavement that didn't find
> a home because of you
>
> And you probably spent that on some imported CF thereby raising the balance
> of payments issue. Although the GST impost on the imported CF might fix
> this.
>
> For penance I suggest that you immediately present yourself to the nearest
> custom bike manufacturer and order a new, preferably steel, frame in the
> size and colour of your choice.
If you bought this argument.. and their are so many reasons not too.
then you would have to also assurem that you were happy to pay for an
overengineered road solution for yourself.
Or in other words for stiffing you of $20 annum I let the roads be built
to take many times the load I am ever going to put on them Nice of me
hey ? Just so car drivers can use them
Dave
> Kim <[email protected]> wrote in news:1125530569.88195@teuthos:
>
>
>>Gemma_k wrote:
>>
>>>Suggests that cyclists pay for the road they use etc etc
>>
>>we already do. when will the get that through their thick skulls.
>>wheres my ... um .. pen&paper, i'm actually p1ssed off enough.
>>ggrrrrr
>>
>>kim
>
>
> At the risk of getting flamed: No you don't. Why?
>
> Rego pays for about 15% on state roads. State taxes (now GST) pays for
> between 60 and 75% for state roads. Federal govt pays for the remaining
> percentage at least 50% from fuel excise.
>
> Rates pay for about 60 to 75 % of local roads, developers for between 15
> and 20% and the remainder is the fed govt again.
>
> So if you ride your bike an use less fuel then you are stiffing the system
> for between 2 and 5% of your contribution =D. Put another way it's about
> $20/annum. Somewhere there is a square metre of pavement that didn't find
> a home because of you
>
> And you probably spent that on some imported CF thereby raising the balance
> of payments issue. Although the GST impost on the imported CF might fix
> this.
>
> For penance I suggest that you immediately present yourself to the nearest
> custom bike manufacturer and order a new, preferably steel, frame in the
> size and colour of your choice.
If you bought this argument.. and their are so many reasons not too.
then you would have to also assurem that you were happy to pay for an
overengineered road solution for yourself.
Or in other words for stiffing you of $20 annum I let the roads be built
to take many times the load I am ever going to put on them Nice of me
hey ? Just so car drivers can use them
Dave
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BrettM
Guest
Kathy <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>
> If you bought this argument.. and their are so many reasons not too.
> then you would have to also assurem that you were happy to pay for an
> overengineered road solution for yourself.
>
> Or in other words for stiffing you of $20 annum I let the roads be
> built to take many times the load I am ever going to put on them Nice
> of me hey ? Just so car drivers can use them
>
> Dave
>
>
Not an argument. I just wanted you to feel sorry for the rocks that never
became road. Oh and create an excuse for another bike
Cheers
BrettM
>
> If you bought this argument.. and their are so many reasons not too.
> then you would have to also assurem that you were happy to pay for an
> overengineered road solution for yourself.
>
> Or in other words for stiffing you of $20 annum I let the roads be
> built to take many times the load I am ever going to put on them Nice
> of me hey ? Just so car drivers can use them
>
> Dave
>
>
Not an argument. I just wanted you to feel sorry for the rocks that never
became road. Oh and create an excuse for another bike
Cheers
BrettM
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Kim
Guest
BrettM wrote:
> Kathy <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>>If you bought this argument.. and their are so many reasons not too.
>>then you would have to also assurem that you were happy to pay for an
>>overengineered road solution for yourself.
>>
>>Or in other words for stiffing you of $20 annum I let the roads be
>>built to take many times the load I am ever going to put on them Nice
>>of me hey ? Just so car drivers can use them
> Not an argument. I just wanted you to feel sorry for the rocks that never
> became road. Oh and create an excuse for another bike
hey, i pay *plenty* of income tax, so they're not missing out from me.
i ride, typically three or more days a week, bussing (rain) or being
driven (heavy things). we have a small car and use about 20$ fuel a
fortnight, sometimes less. there are times when my wife needs to do
rescue trips, like last night when i sprained/crunched my ankle yanking
it out the clipless pedal =( but thats another story... involving a
prado damn it! =(
i'm not under the illusion (at this time) that i could get rid of *our*
car and bike everywhere. being in the 'puting business is heavy and bad
on pinch flats =/ and i'm still looking for a bike trailer suitable to
carry our aging pooch...
cheers,
kim
> Kathy <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>>If you bought this argument.. and their are so many reasons not too.
>>then you would have to also assurem that you were happy to pay for an
>>overengineered road solution for yourself.
>>
>>Or in other words for stiffing you of $20 annum I let the roads be
>>built to take many times the load I am ever going to put on them Nice
>>of me hey ? Just so car drivers can use them
> Not an argument. I just wanted you to feel sorry for the rocks that never
> became road. Oh and create an excuse for another bike
hey, i pay *plenty* of income tax, so they're not missing out from me.
i ride, typically three or more days a week, bussing (rain) or being
driven (heavy things). we have a small car and use about 20$ fuel a
fortnight, sometimes less. there are times when my wife needs to do
rescue trips, like last night when i sprained/crunched my ankle yanking
it out the clipless pedal =( but thats another story... involving a
prado damn it! =(
i'm not under the illusion (at this time) that i could get rid of *our*
car and bike everywhere. being in the 'puting business is heavy and bad
on pinch flats =/ and i'm still looking for a bike trailer suitable to
carry our aging pooch...
cheers,
kim
Kim wrote:
i'm still looking for a bike trailer suitable to carry our aging pooch...
That's adorable!
Make sure you post on here when you do. We just bought a 2nd puppy last night (we called her Cadence) and I think she and Simon would think a trailer is pretty cool.
Lotte
i'm still looking for a bike trailer suitable to carry our aging pooch...
That's adorable!
Make sure you post on here when you do. We just bought a 2nd puppy last night (we called her Cadence) and I think she and Simon would think a trailer is pretty cool.
Lotte
Visitant said:
What bloody cyclelanes?
I have just moved from Adelaide to Canberra and I can tell you that what they call cyclelanes are of so little value that they may as well paint them out. For all of you that don’t know Adelaide let me give you a description. The lanes are at best about a 1/3 of a meter wide, most of which is the concrete gutter; this means that they are generally 3/4 full of glass and various other pieces of rubbish. They are full of various manhole and firehole covers which are generally set around 1cm deeper then the road and I have seen someone destroy a wheel from the jolt. Saving the best till last, the vast majority only operate during the school hours; on week ends and outside of these hours you need to go around parked cars.
Now add this to the fact that most South Australian drivers think that there is a bounty on cyclist, makes Adelaide the least bike friendly city in Australia
Now Canberra has a network of well thought out paths and when a bikelane is shared with a road it tends to be a couple of meters wide.
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Michael Warner
Guest
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 17:51:39 +1000, jcjordan wrote:
> Now add this to the fact that most South Australian drivers think that
> there is a bounty on cyclist, makes Adelaide the least bike friendly
> city in Australia
That's rubbish - most drivers here are fine. But while I appreciate the
thought, bike lanes indeed tend to be full of manhole covers and
debris, and I don't use them unless traffic conditions require it.
> Now Canberra has a network of well thought out paths and when a
> bikelane is shared with a road it tends to be a couple of meters wide.
Maybe, but there's nowhere in Canberra worth going, and it's either
too hot or too cold to ride
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> Now add this to the fact that most South Australian drivers think that
> there is a bounty on cyclist, makes Adelaide the least bike friendly
> city in Australia
That's rubbish - most drivers here are fine. But while I appreciate the
thought, bike lanes indeed tend to be full of manhole covers and
debris, and I don't use them unless traffic conditions require it.
> Now Canberra has a network of well thought out paths and when a
> bikelane is shared with a road it tends to be a couple of meters wide.
Maybe, but there's nowhere in Canberra worth going, and it's either
too hot or too cold to ride
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