AED's Effectiveness in Treating Electric Shock Victims

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  1. Paul

    Paul Guest

    I am with a Fish and Wildlife Management agency and we conduct electrofishing as a sample technique
    to stun and capture fish. This involves the use of electricity in water. As an agency doing
    everything we can to minimize the inherent risks of this activity we are considering the potential
    benefits of acquiring some automated external defibrillators (AED's). I was wondering if AED's
    effective in treating someone who's heart has been affected due to electrical shock. All that I've
    read about the benefits of AED devices is in the treatment of sudden cardio arrest (SCA) and
    associated ventricular fibrillation. I have read little to nothing about AED's use for treating
    electric shock victims. I wonder if a substantial electrical shock typically affects the heart in
    the same way as SCA or if it is more likely to stop the heart entirely? If it is the latter, perhaps
    AED's are not that effective for treating electrical shock victims.

    Any information you can provide would be most appreciated.

    Paul
     
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  2. Paul wrote:

    > I am with a Fish and Wildlife Management agency and we conduct electrofishing as a sample
    > technique to stun and capture fish. This involves the use of electricity in water. As an agency
    > doing everything we can to minimize the inherent risks of this activity we are considering the
    > potential benefits of acquiring some automated external defibrillators (AED's). I was wondering if
    > AED's effective in treating someone who's heart has been affected due to electrical shock.

    It is.

    > All that I've read about the benefits of AED devices is in the treatment of sudden cardio arrest
    > (SCA) and associated ventricular fibrillation.

    Electrocution causes this.

    > I have read little to nothing about AED's use for treating electric shock victims.

    Electrocution victims often have severe electrical burns that limit their survival.

    > I wonder if a substantial electrical shock typically affects the heart in the same way as SCA or
    > if it is more likely to stop the heart entirely?

    Ventricular fibrillation is invariably lethal irrespective of the underlying cause.

    > If it is the latter, perhaps AED's are not that effective for treating electrical shock victims.
    >

    It is the former and AEDs will be effective whether the ventricular fibrillation is arising from a
    heart attack, cardiomyopathy, a baseball striking the chest, or from electrical shock.

    >
    > Any information you can provide would be most appreciated.
    >

    You are welcome, Paul :)

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  3. Paul

    Paul Guest

    "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > Paul wrote:
    >
    > > I am with a Fish and Wildlife Management agency and we conduct electrofishing as a sample
    > > technique to stun and capture fish. This involves the use of electricity in water. As an agency
    > > doing everything we can to minimize the inherent risks of this activity we are considering the
    > > potential benefits of acquiring some automated external defibrillators (AED's). I was wondering
    > > if AED's effective in treating someone who's heart has been affected due to electrical shock.
    >
    > It is.
    >
    > > All that I've read about the benefits of AED devices is in the treatment of sudden cardio
    > > arrest (SCA) and associated ventricular fibrillation.
    >
    > Electrocution causes this.
    >
    > > I have read little to nothing about AED's use for treating electric shock victims.
    >
    > Electrocution victims often have severe electrical burns that limit their survival.
    >
    > > I wonder if a substantial electrical shock typically affects the heart in the same way as SCA
    > > or if it is more likely to stop the heart entirely?
    >
    > Ventricular fibrillation is invariably lethal irrespective of the underlying cause.
    >
    > > If it is the latter, perhaps AED's are not that effective for treating electrical shock victims.
    > >
    >
    > It is the former and AEDs will be effective whether the ventricular fibrillation is arising from a
    > heart attack, cardiomyopathy, a baseball striking the chest, or from electrical shock.
    >
    > >
    > > Any information you can provide would be most appreciated.
    > >
    >
    > You are welcome, Paul :)
    >
    >
    > Servant to the humblest person in the universe,
    >
    > Andrew
    >
    > --
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    Thanks Andrew, much appreciated - Paul
     
  4. Julianne

    Julianne Guest

    My best advice is to use chicken blood to catch fish. Shiny worms work well with bass. All the hand
    made lures are just a waste of time especially if you are fishing in a stocked lake with timed fish
    feeders. Just be out there when the feeders are scheduled to go off and you will be fine.

    The need for an AED would be very small for you. However, if just once, you had an employee out on
    the water whose heart stopped, it would be a small investment. An AED would be very effective for a
    person who went into V-fib due to electricity. Without knowing the details of your operation I
    couldn't tell you how big the risk was.

    I also know that training is important. It needs to be completed at least annually and involve
    everyone who electrocutes fishes.

    One of my passions is CPR. It is amazing what bystander CPR can do for an arrest patient while
    waiting for professional help. Although it is unlikely that bystander CPR will restore a decent
    heart rate and rhythm, it does keep the brain alive until help arrives. If you are anywhere where
    help can be obtained in fifteen minutes, I would suggest that you invest resources in CPR training
    and telephonic technology that can call for help.

    Just a few thoughts.

    j

    "Paul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I am with a Fish and Wildlife Management agency and we conduct electrofishing as a sample
    > technique to stun and capture fish. This involves the use of electricity in water. As an agency
    > doing everything we can to minimize the inherent risks of this activity we are considering the
    > potential benefits of acquiring some automated external defibrillators (AED's). I was wondering if
    > AED's effective in treating someone who's heart has been affected due to electrical shock. All
    > that I've read about the benefits of AED devices is in the treatment of sudden cardio arrest (SCA)
    > and associated ventricular fibrillation. I have read little to nothing about AED's use for
    > treating electric shock victims. I wonder if a substantial electrical shock typically affects the
    > heart in the same way as SCA or if it is more likely to stop the heart entirely? If it is the
    > latter, perhaps AED's are not that effective for treating electrical shock victims.
    >
    > Any information you can provide would be most appreciated.
    >
    > Paul
     
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