aero vs traditional brake levers

[Ozark Bicycle]

Tim McNamara wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> John Forrest Tomlinson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On 15 Nov 2006 19:58:06 -0800, "Ozark Bicycle"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> > >> On 15 Nov 2006 06:25:53 -0800, "Ozark Bicycle"
> > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >Yeah, and some[1] would say there is a theoretical possibility
> > >> >that wearing a bicycle helmet MIGHT increase the chance of
> > >> >getting struck by lightening. Will you give that consideration,
> > >> >too?
> > >>
> > >> It's fine to talk out of speculation -- this discusson of safety
> > >> of aero versus traditional levers is that sort of thing. No one
> > >> has offered evidence, so we're speculating.
> > >>
> > >> On the helmet thing you offered nearly zero evidence -- just
> > >> speculation. And deride people who offer real evidence. That's
> > >> lame.
> > >
> > >How does a 2 digit IQ bozo like you get to decide what's OK and
> > >what's "lame'?
>
> Because, Ozark, he has more of a clue than you do. His Web page is
> worth a look and will flesh out the picture considerably. It's clear
> that JT's IQ contains three digits and resides at the north end of the
> bell curve.

Oh! The Tim Man, final arbiter of All Things, hath spoken. I am
chastened and contrite!

You remind me of one Bill Frist diagnosing Terry Schiavo from a video
tape. With the same degree of accuracy.

 

[Tim McNamara]

In article <[email protected]>,
John Forrest Tomlinson <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:33:00 GMT, [email protected]
> wrote:
>
> >True, the incidence is likely to be rare - but it is real, and as
> >even you have admitted, a useful feature (which equates in terms of
> >this discussion to "advantage") of the normal routing of brake
> >cables.
>
> It could equally be argued that it is rare to have a cable hook onto
> something (a single hand perhaps, or branch you ride by) but that is
> dangerous too.

I actually have had that happen. As kids we used to ride whatever bikes
we had off road, since nobody had mountain bikes as they hadn't been
invented yet. I put in many a mile on trails on my 10 speed (which
actually had ten speeds in those days) and snagged branches and such
with a brake cable on a number of occasions. Fortunately the branches
were always thin and never caused a crash.

Years later I adapted one of my road bikes for cyclo-cross, which
consisted of taking off the water bottle cages and putting on 700 x 28
knobbies and voila! a 'cross bike. I snagged branches on the non-aero
brake cables a bunch of times on training rides which tended to be
gnarlier than race courses. I switched to aero levers for 'cross
halfway through the first season.

jtaylor is just doing what we all do, thinking his way is best and
fabricating reasons why this must be so.

 

[Bill Sornson]

Tim McNamara wrote (of ol' flailor):

> You do like splitting frog's hairs, don't you? Sheesh. You must be a
> barrel o' laughs at parties. Stop being a doofus.

See the two nerds in the corner lying to and boring each other to death?
Flailor 'n Flogger! ROTFL

 

[Tim McNamara]

In article <B%[email protected]>,
"Bill Sornson" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Tim McNamara wrote (of ol' flailor):
>
> > You do like splitting frog's hairs, don't you? Sheesh. You must
> > be a barrel o' laughs at parties. Stop being a doofus.
>
> See the two nerds in the corner lying to and boring each other to
> death? Flailor 'n Flogger! ROTFL

Thanks for sharing the wisdom of experience.

 

[Solvang Cyclist]

[email protected] wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> True, the incidence is likely to be rare - but it is real, and as even
> you have admitted, a useful feature (which equates in terms of this
> discussion to "advantage") of the normal routing of brake cables.
>

The number of times brake cables have "saved" a rider is probably
comparable to the number of times a rider has fallen because one hand got
tangled in a cable after a bump and the other hand did not, thus rotating
the bars when they otherwise would not have. The argument is downright
silly.

I know! I got a great idea! Somebody should commission a study where they
have riders repeatedly ride down a hill and hit a pothole both with aero
and "conventional" cable routings. After multiple runs, we can determine
the number of falls and the number of "saves" with each style lever. Of
course, it will be necessary to determine that there is *NO* wind for
each run, so we'll need some dust to kick up and some smoke pots and...

Oh, wait a minute, that's another thread. Never mind.

Cheers,
David

 

[* * Chas]

"Solvang Cyclist" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> [email protected] wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
>
> > True, the incidence is likely to be rare - but it is real, and as
even
> > you have admitted, a useful feature (which equates in terms of this
> > discussion to "advantage") of the normal routing of brake cables.
> >
>
> The number of times brake cables have "saved" a rider is probably
> comparable to the number of times a rider has fallen because one hand
got
> tangled in a cable after a bump and the other hand did not, thus
rotating
> the bars when they otherwise would not have. The argument is downright
> silly.
>
> I know! I got a great idea! Somebody should commission a study where
they
> have riders repeatedly ride down a hill and hit a pothole both with
aero
> and "conventional" cable routings. After multiple runs, we can
determine
> the number of falls and the number of "saves" with each style lever.
Of
> course, it will be necessary to determine that there is *NO* wind for
> each run, so we'll need some dust to kick up and some smoke pots
and...
>
> Oh, wait a minute, that's another thread. Never mind.
>
> Cheers,
> David


The following missive which was proported to have been published in
Harper’s:

Stupid people: Words to die by...

“Every day some new do-gooder is
trying to save us from ourselves. We have
so many laws and safety commissions to
ensure our safety that it seems nearly im-
possible to have an accident. The problem
is we need accidents, and lots of them.”

“Danger is nature’s way of eliminating
stupid people. Without safety, stupid people
die in accidents……”

“With safety however well intentioned it
may be, we are devolving into half-witted
mutants because idiots, who by all rights
should be dead, are spared from their right-
ful early graves and are free to breed even
more imbeciles.”

“Let’s do away with safety and improve
our species. Take up smoking. Jaywalk.
Play with blasting caps. Swim right after a
big meal. Stick something small into your
ear. Take your choice of a dangerous activity
and do it with gusto. Future generations will
thank you.”

;-)

Chas.

 

[Vee]

Tim McNamara wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
> John Forrest Tomlinson <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On 15 Nov 2006 19:58:06 -0800, "Ozark Bicycle"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> > >> On 15 Nov 2006 06:25:53 -0800, "Ozark Bicycle"
> > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >Yeah, and some[1] would say there is a theoretical possibility
> > >> >that wearing a bicycle helmet MIGHT increase the chance of
> > >> >getting struck by lightening. Will you give that consideration,
> > >> >too?
> > >>
> > >> It's fine to talk out of speculation -- this discusson of safety
> > >> of aero versus traditional levers is that sort of thing. No one
> > >> has offered evidence, so we're speculating.
> > >>
> > >> On the helmet thing you offered nearly zero evidence -- just
> > >> speculation. And deride people who offer real evidence. That's
> > >> lame.
> > >
> > >How does a 2 digit IQ bozo like you get to decide what's OK and
> > >what's "lame'?
>
> Because, Ozark, he has more of a clue than you do. His Web page is
> worth a look and will flesh out the picture considerably. It's clear
> that JT's IQ contains three digits and resides at the north end of the
> bell curve.

Isn't the north end of the intelligence bell curve the mean, i.e., 100?

-Vee

 

[Tim McNamara]

In article <[email protected]>,
"Vee" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Tim McNamara wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > John Forrest Tomlinson <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > On 15 Nov 2006 19:58:06 -0800, "Ozark Bicycle"
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> > > >> On 15 Nov 2006 06:25:53 -0800, "Ozark Bicycle"
> > > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >Yeah, and some[1] would say there is a theoretical
> > > >> >possibility that wearing a bicycle helmet MIGHT increase the
> > > >> >chance of getting struck by lightening. Will you give that
> > > >> >consideration, too?
> > > >>
> > > >> It's fine to talk out of speculation -- this discusson of
> > > >> safety of aero versus traditional levers is that sort of
> > > >> thing. No one has offered evidence, so we're speculating.
> > > >>
> > > >> On the helmet thing you offered nearly zero evidence -- just
> > > >> speculation. And deride people who offer real evidence.
> > > >> That's lame.
> > > >
> > > >How does a 2 digit IQ bozo like you get to decide what's OK and
> > > >what's "lame'?
> >
> > Because, Ozark, he has more of a clue than you do. His Web page is
> > worth a look and will flesh out the picture considerably. It's
> > clear that JT's IQ contains three digits and resides at the north
> > end of the bell curve.
>
> Isn't the north end of the intelligence bell curve the mean, i.e.,
> 100?

I thought about that after I wrote that. Depends on. I'd think of the
north end of the bell curve as being 2 sd above the mean (e.g., 130 or
above on the Wechsler tests).