after Armstrong retires, US cycling is over?

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  1. paris_boy

    paris_boy New Member

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    it seems US cycling is just about Armstrong. do you have anybody else or will it be over when Armstrong retires. where are the young riders?

    TDF Best Young Rider Final Classification

    1 Karpets Vladimir Rus Ibb 84h 01' 13"
    2 Casar Sandy Fra Fdj 03' 42"
    3 Voeckler Thomas Fra Blb 06' 01"
    4 Rogers Michael Aus Qsd 16' 28"
    5 Camano Iker Esp Eus 22' 03"
    6 Pineau Jérôme Fra Blb 22' 32"
    7 Chavanel Sylvain Fra Blb 29' 32"
    8 Scarponi Michele Ita Dve 37' 50"
    9 Astarloza Mikel Esp A2r 1h 29' 53"
    10 Noval Gonzalez Benjamin Esp Usp 1h 32' 30"
    11 Calzati Sylvain Fra Rag 1h 44' 23"
    12 Portal Nicolas Fra A2r 1h 44' 34"
    13 Lang Sebastian Ger Gst 1h 50' 20"
    14 Scanlon Mark Irl A2r 2h 02' 38"
    15 Krivtsov Yuriy Ukr A2r 2h 09' 05"
    16 Davis Allan Aus Lst 2h 11' 05"
    17 Charteau Anthony Fra Blb 2h 16' 20"
    18 Loosli David Sui Sae 2h 19' 13"
    19 Cancellara Fabian Sui Fas 2h 23' 31"
    20 Pozzato Filippo Ita Fas 2h 29' 44"
     
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  2. mattp71

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    Well, as it stands now, I would have to say yes, it would be over. What got it going in the US was, an american sponsor, on an american bike, with an american pedalling it to victory. Granted we still have all those things now, but the team is far from all-american. With the other people on the team leaving to sign bigger contracts with other teams (Hamilton, Levi, and now Landis), I would have to say that when Armstrong retires, we will be right back to square one. Sad though.
     
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    the Aussies seem to produce a lot of riders for a small population. what's their secret?
     
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    More time on the bike, less in the dentist chair! :)

    Anyone know what happenedto the quick reply button?
     
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    I would go for Ivan Basso :)
     
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    regarding the dentist chair joke: I think you mean the British, not the Aussies.
     
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    The dentist theory is more applicable to the British than the Aussies though I suspect this theory has some credence throughout Europe.

    I think the Aussie secret is Vegemite. Well that and they same to actually participate in sports much more than other nations. They are competitive in many sports.
     
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    I was poking fun at Robbie. His front teeth need to be moved over about 1/4" an inch. I look for Britian to release a new book titled, "A cyclists guide to doping", by David Millar. Where he tells how to beat the system.
     
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    preface by Lance, right?
     
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    cycling for US would not be dead at all...
    with flyod and hincapie and even the robobank team there are alot of other riders who can made a diff type of team to accomadate a new leader.
    USPS is made to push the peleton like crazy on the mtns so that lance can evetually tear thru them when they have nothing left...
    if hincapie climbs more and landis trains yr round i think usps could have a new future..
     
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    Cycling in the US has only just begun!!!:D :D :D

    They just needed lance to kick start the interest- He's opened America's eyes to cycling it's only a matter of time till those promising cyclist pop up!
     
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    If you are looking for young emerging talent, I would look outside of the Tour de France for the young riders. Just because they aren't riding in the Tour yet doesn't mean they won't be later. Many believe that finishing the Tour in a respectable time too young results in diminished Tour performance later.
     
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    not sure about that -- many big names have won Best Young Rider


    Best Young Riders 1975-2003
    (General Classification positions between brackets)

    1975 - Francesco Moser (Ita) (7)
    1976 - Enrique Martínez Heredia (Esp) (23)
    1977 - Dietrich Thurau (FRG) (5)
    1978 - Henk Lubberding (Ned) (8)
    1979 - Jean-René Bernaudeau (Fra) (5)
    1980 - Johan van der Velde (Ned) (12)
    1981 - Peter Winnen (Ned) (5)
    1982 - Phil Anderson (Aus) (5)
    1983 - Laurent Fignon (Fra) (1) *
    1984 - Greg LeMond (USA) (3) *
    1985 - Fabio Parra (Col) (8) *
    1986 - Andrew Hampsten (USA) (4) *
    1987 - Raúl Alcala (Mex) (9)
    1988 - Erik Breukink (Ned) (12)
    1989 - Fabrice Philipot (Fra) (24)
    1990 - Gilles Delion (Fra) (15)
    1991 - Alvaro Mejía (Col) (19)
    1992 - Eddy Bouwmans (Ned) (14)
    1993 - Antonio Martín Velasco (Esp) (12)
    1994 - Marco Pantani (Ita) (3)
    1995 - Marco Pantani (Ita) (13)
    1996 - Jan Ullrich (Ger) (2)
    1997 - Jan Ullrich (Ger) (1)
    1998 - Jan Ullrich (Ger) (2)
    1999 - Benoît Salmon (Fra) (16)
    2000 - Francisco Mancebo (Esp) (9)
    2001 - Oscar Sevilla (Esp) (7)
    2002 - Ivan Basso (Ita) (11)
    2003 - Denis Menchov (Rus) (11)
     
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    the greatest American rider, Greg Lemon was just 23 when he rode the TDF the first time.
     
  17. mojomarc

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    I don't think US Cycling will be over. I suspect that the lack of young rider competition, which is kind of sad, is based more on the fact that a cyclist has to be dominant in the US before a European team will find out about them and bring them in where they could compete. It's much safer for these teams to wait for them to mature more and bring them over when they're already competitive (or, at least, cheaper, since you don't have to move a European to have them compete in Europe, or necessarily sign them to a contract based on the risk associated with moving across an ocean).

    I would dare to guess that if the major event in cycling were the Tour d'Amerique, and it involved almost 5000km of racing in the US, you'd be wondering about the lack of European cyclists for the same sorts of reasons. A good parallel can be seen in rugby, where only the very best of the Americans gets a contract to play overseas, and usually then is a very good first XVs player (unless they're injured all the time like Dan Lyle).

    Anyway--that's my take. I suspect that there's someone about 23 in Colorado right now training his heart out who will get picked up in a few years and turn out to be pretty competitive in European stage races. Our population base is such that if even a small fraction of the population participates, we're still likely to turn out a couple good ones, even if Americans will never populate the entire peloton.
     
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    but you must have races that the young riders can enter for training. in Europe there are long road races every weekend in local areas for young riders. but someone told me the Yank police do not want to close the roads for racing.
     
  19. mojomarc

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    I can't answer that directly, as I don't race myself, but I do see quite a bit of team training going on around here, and we're not too far off sea level where I am. Also, although I don't know if they still do them, they used to have criteriums every weekend at Delta Park in Portland when I was growing up. Even raced in a few of them myself on a lark, with little or no success. That said, Western Washington is not a good place to be doing race training, since despite the great mountain roads, there are two few non-rainy days around here. Most of the riders I know train in the velodrome in Redmond near the Microsoft headquarters.
     
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    I did a little surfing, and found several weekend racing series. The one that actually looks like it might compare to what you described, Paris, is the Mason Lake series, where they ride up to 84 mile races (multiple laps around the 12 mile lake).

    http://www.pazzovelo.com/events/races/2002/mason_lake/

    In poking around, I must admit there are way, way more racing options than I had thought. Kind of surprised, actually.
     
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