Agree with Bobke..



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Jaybee

Guest
I was thinking the same as Bobke, when he commented that Lance might have just eased
up enough to avoid the maillot jaune on the opening day. The radio contact they
have certainly could have told him exactly how he stood with 100 meters to go, and
he would have pulled out some extra if he wanted to.
Now Discovery just rides on the backs of CSC until the TTT. Seems to me it was a
strategy, not a loss for Discovery today.
 
D

DepartFictif

Guest
Also with 100 meters to go, you can see the time boards. It did
however look like LA might have held back a little before passing Jan,
perhaps to make sure he passed him at a slightly higher rate... mind
games?!
 
J

Jet

Guest
On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 10:35:22 -0700, Jaybee <[email protected]> wrote:

>I was thinking the same as Bobke, when he commented that Lance might have just eased
>up enough to avoid the maillot jaune on the opening day. The radio contact they
>have certainly could have told him exactly how he stood with 100 meters to go, and
>he would have pulled out some extra if he wanted to.
>Now Discovery just rides on the backs of CSC until the TTT. Seems to me it was a
>strategy, not a loss for Discovery today.


He was three seconds up on Z at 15K (16:46 vs Z's 16:49).

I think if LA looked back and saw a pack of cuddly bunnies chasing him he
could have pulled out 2.1 seconds in the last 200 yds.

jj
 
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DepartFictif

Guest
Also with 100 meters to go, you can see the time boards. It did
however look like LA might have held back a little before passing Jan,
perhaps to make sure he passed him at a slightly higher rate... mind
games?!
 
M

Mikko J Virtanen

Guest
Jaybee <[email protected]> writes:
> Now Discovery just rides on the backs of CSC until the TTT. Seems to
> me it was a strategy, not a loss for Discovery today.


Note that they'll (DSC) be leaving _before_ CSC to the TTT, which is
not necessarily a good thing (for CSC). The last to leave has usually
won the TTT too.

Do they have the same timecut system in the TTT this year?

MJ;

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B

bikeguy11968

Guest
wah wah wah! i'm going to throw my helmet. I only got second. wah!

Seems like team strategy was testing aero helmets crash worthiness. Big
baby.
 
B

bikeguy11968

Guest
wah wah wah! i'm going to throw my helmet. I only got second. wah!

Seems like team strategy was testing aero helmets crash worthiness. Big
baby.
 
T

trg

Guest
"Jaybee" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
|I was thinking the same as Bobke, when he commented that Lance might have
just eased
| up enough to avoid the maillot jaune on the opening day. The radio
contact they
| have certainly could have told him exactly how he stood with 100 meters to
go, and
| he would have pulled out some extra if he wanted to.
| Now Discovery just rides on the backs of CSC until the TTT. Seems to me
it was a
| strategy, not a loss for Discovery today.

I don't think so. DSC is 4 seconds behind the CSC. That means that unless
there are some bonus seconds won on the second or third stage, CSC has the
advantage of starting last. Those two seconds could make the difference.
Starting the TTT last 'or at least after their main rivals) is something DSC
definitely values and aims for. Besides, the sprinter teams will keep the
breaks from going all the way the first few days, especially Quickstep,
given Rogers poor start and Lefevre's displeasure with him.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Hincapie or Chechu going for bonus sprints in
the next stages. Ditto for Voigt (especially) and Julich. Might be a bit
harder for Zabriskie or Lance to slip away unnoticed.

Plus, with Voigt or Julich in a break CSC wouldn't have to do any work at
all, even if the sprinter teams dithered about assuming their
responsibilities.
 
K

Kyle Legate

Guest
Jaybee wrote:
> I was thinking the same as Bobke, when he commented that Lance might
> have just eased up enough to avoid the maillot jaune on the opening
> day.
>

Because LANCE didn't win he must have therefore eased up?

Goddamn, this is gonna be a long month.
 
B

Bob Schwartz

Guest
Kyle Legate <[email protected]> wrote:
> Because LANCE didn't win he must have therefore eased up?


> Goddamn, this is gonna be a long month.


I had to leave before the final result to go ride to a
race I was working at. I was in a pre-race meeting and
someone got there late that had stayed home to watch
the result. When he got there he announced that LANCE
had finished second. He didn't mention who won.

Bob Schwartz
[email protected]
 
G

gym.gravity

Guest
DepartFictif wrote:
> Also with 100 meters to go, you can see the time boards. It did
> however look like LA might have held back a little before passing Jan,
> perhaps to make sure he passed him at a slightly higher rate... mind
> games?!


Yes.

Random drug test? Yes.
 
B

Bill C

Guest
Kyle Legate wrote:
> Jaybee wrote:
> > I was thinking the same as Bobke, when he commented that Lance might
> > have just eased up enough to avoid the maillot jaune on the opening
> > day.
> >

> Because LANCE didn't win he must have therefore eased up?
>
> Goddamn, this is gonna be a long month.

C'mon Kyle Lance isn't stupid. With the radio in his ear it would've
been stupid to win the prologue. I think Lance could've won it, but
there's nothing good in it for him, or the team, so I'm betting that
they made the decision to finish second. Now CSC is having to keep
things together instead of Discovery.
Bill C
 
J

Jet

Guest
On 3 Jul 2005 19:11:27 -0700, "Bill C" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
>Kyle Legate wrote:
>> Jaybee wrote:
>> > I was thinking the same as Bobke, when he commented that Lance might
>> > have just eased up enough to avoid the maillot jaune on the opening
>> > day.
>> >

>> Because LANCE didn't win he must have therefore eased up?
>>
>> Goddamn, this is gonna be a long month.

> C'mon Kyle Lance isn't stupid. With the radio in his ear it would've
>been stupid to win the prologue. I think Lance could've won it, but
>there's nothing good in it for him, or the team, so I'm betting that
>they made the decision to finish second. Now CSC is having to keep
>things together instead of Discovery.
>Bill C


If you look at LA's face as he turns the corner with about 5-6 seconds to
go he looks up, looks around and then without much expression, he goes over
the line. At no time does he even attempt to start a sprint. Even though
he's already going, ah, briskly, he'd be able to sprint if he thought he'd
fail - didn't even try.

So reports of throwing down his helmet notwithstanding, I just didn't see
it. Maybe he wasn't paying attention? ;-)

jj
 
K

Kyle Legate

Guest
Jet wrote:
> On 3 Jul 2005 19:11:27 -0700, "Bill C" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> If you look at LA's face as he turns the corner with about 5-6 seconds to
> go he looks up, looks around and then without much expression, he goes over
> the line. At no time does he even attempt to start a sprint. Even though
> he's already going, ah, briskly, he'd be able to sprint if he thought he'd
> fail - didn't even try.
>

Even if he wanted to, he couldn't make up 2 seconds in that amount of space.

He has the kind of competitive arrogance that it must really have irked
him that he fell 2 seconds shy of winning the first stage of his last
tour. He didn't give it away.
 

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