Airfree Tires: RIPOFF SCAM



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tph

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Air Free Tires, Inc. 104 Smith St. New Smyrna, FL. 32168
(386) 478-1861   fax 309 218-2459   Intl. 386 478-1861

This company is a SCAM and a RIPOFF. I was stupid enough to order tires
from them on their website:

1. They charged my credit card the same day I ordered
2. They double billed my card for the same one order
3. They NEVER shipped the merchandise to me

I have called their "customer service" phone number at least 30 times,
and have NEVER spoken to a human being, only an answering machine.
After 30 voicemails and 20 e-mails, I have NO response from them.
The Florida Better Business Bureau has an "unsatisfactory" rating for
them due to failure to respond to complaints.

Next time, I will check with the BBB *before* I throw away my money.
 
tph wrote:

> Air Free Tires, Inc. 104 Smith St. New Smyrna, FL. 32168
> (386) 478-1861 fax 309 218-2459 Intl. 386 478-1861
>
> This company is a SCAM and a RIPOFF. I was stupid enough to order tires
> from them on their website:
>
> 1. They charged my credit card the same day I ordered
> 2. They double billed my card for the same one order
> 3. They NEVER shipped the merchandise to me
>
> I have called their "customer service" phone number at least 30 times,
> and have NEVER spoken to a human being, only an answering machine.
> After 30 voicemails and 20 e-mails, I have NO response from them.
> The Florida Better Business Bureau has an "unsatisfactory" rating for
> them due to failure to respond to complaints.
>
> Next time, I will check with the BBB *before* I throw away my money.

Oddly enough, my old copy of Richard's Bicycle Book warns against scams
involving airfree tyres. They're total **** anyway - Mr Dunlop got it
right all those years ago.
 
"tph" wrote: This company is a SCAM and a RIPOFF. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^
In cases like this you should be able to get the credit card company to
reverse the charges.

Thanks for the "heads up."
 
"tph" wrote: This company is a SCAM and a RIPOFF. (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^
In cases like this you should be able to get the credit card company to
reverse the charges.

Thanks for the "heads up."
 
Zog The Undeniable wrote:

> tph wrote:
>
>> Air Free Tires, Inc. 104 Smith St. New Smyrna, FL. 32168 (386) 478-1861
>> fax 309 218-2459 Intl. 386 478-1861
>> This company is a SCAM and a RIPOFF. I was stupid enough to order tires
>> from them on their website:
>> 1. They charged my credit card the same day I ordered
>> 2. They double billed my card for the same one order
>> 3. They NEVER shipped the merchandise to me
>> I have called their "customer service" phone number at least 30 times,
>> and have NEVER spoken to a human being, only an answering machine.
>> After 30 voicemails and 20 e-mails, I have NO response from them.
>> The Florida Better Business Bureau has an "unsatisfactory" rating for
>> them due to failure to respond to complaints.
>> Next time, I will check with the BBB *before* I throw away my money.
>
> Oddly enough, my old copy of Richard's Bicycle Book warns against scams
> involving airfree tyres. They're total **** anyway - Mr Dunlop got it
> right all those years ago.

Apparently these ones are also rubber-free. The emperor has no clothes.

--
Benjamin Lewis

I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of
oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate
commerce. -- J. Edgar Hoover
 
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:49:58 -0700, Benjamin Lewis <[email protected]> wrote:

>Zog The Undeniable wrote:
>
>> tph wrote:
>>
>>> Air Free Tires, Inc. 104 Smith St. New Smyrna, FL. 32168 (386) 478-1861
>>> fax 309 218-2459 Intl. 386 478-1861
>>> This company is a SCAM and a RIPOFF. I was stupid enough to order tires
>>> from them on their website:
>>> 1. They charged my credit card the same day I ordered
>>> 2. They double billed my card for the same one order
>>> 3. They NEVER shipped the merchandise to me
>>> I have called their "customer service" phone number at least 30 times,
>>> and have NEVER spoken to a human being, only an answering machine.
>>> After 30 voicemails and 20 e-mails, I have NO response from them.
>>> The Florida Better Business Bureau has an "unsatisfactory" rating for
>>> them due to failure to respond to complaints.
>>> Next time, I will check with the BBB *before* I throw away my money.
>>
>> Oddly enough, my old copy of Richard's Bicycle Book warns against scams
>> involving airfree tyres. They're total **** anyway - Mr Dunlop got it
>> right all those years ago.
>
>Apparently these ones are also rubber-free.

Keyboard!
 
[email protected] wrote:

> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:49:58 -0700, Benjamin Lewis <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> Zog The Undeniable wrote:
>>>
>>> Oddly enough, my old copy of Richard's Bicycle Book warns against scams
>>> involving airfree tyres. They're total **** anyway - Mr Dunlop got it
>>> right all those years ago.
>>
>> Apparently these ones are also rubber-free.
>
> Keyboard!

I don't get it...

--
Benjamin Lewis

I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of
oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate
commerce. -- J. Edgar Hoover
 
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:13:20 -0700, Benjamin Lewis <[email protected]> wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:49:58 -0700, Benjamin Lewis <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>> Zog The Undeniable wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Oddly enough, my old copy of Richard's Bicycle Book warns against scams
>>>> involving airfree tyres. They're total **** anyway - Mr Dunlop got it
>>>> right all those years ago.
>>>
>>> Apparently these ones are also rubber-free.
>>
>> Keyboard!
>
>I don't get it...

Sorry, it's a convention is some newsgroups that if something really makes you
LOL, you mention that the purveyor of the comic quip has caused you to ruin your
keyboard by spraying it with coffee.

Of course, you usually haven't actually soaked the keyboard - it's just a sort
of compliment.
 
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 12:43:43 -0400, tph <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>Air Free Tires, Inc. 104 Smith St. New Smyrna, FL. 32168
>(386) 478-1861   fax 309 218-2459   Intl. 386 478-1861

Florida. It figures. (I used to live in Florida. Commercially, much
of it makes Mos Eisley look like the Vatican. Boca Raton, in
particular, is recognized as the spam capitol of the planet. The most
common business model in Florida is "grab the cash and run.")


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On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:36:39 GMT, [email protected] (Muttley) wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:13:20 -0700, Benjamin Lewis <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>[email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:49:58 -0700, Benjamin Lewis <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Zog The Undeniable wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Oddly enough, my old copy of Richard's Bicycle Book warns against scams
>>>>> involving airfree tyres. They're total **** anyway - Mr Dunlop got it
>>>>> right all those years ago.
>>>>
>>>> Apparently these ones are also rubber-free.
>>>
>>> Keyboard!
>>
>>I don't get it...
>
>Sorry, it's a convention is some newsgroups that if something really makes you
>LOL, you mention that the purveyor of the comic quip has caused you to ruin your
>keyboard by spraying it with coffee.
>
>Of course, you usually haven't actually soaked the keyboard - it's just a sort
>of compliment.

rec.bicycles.tech doesn't seem to have an acknowledged convention for
that; in news.admin.net-abuse.email, the [C&C] tag warning of humorous
content is known (C&C = "Cats and Coffee Warning, put both in a safe
place before reading"), and in alt.callahans the acts of spraying the
monitor with coffee (or beverage of your choice) is called
"kittening", for reasons that would take too long to explain.
Analogous customs exist in other newsgroups.
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[email protected] wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:36:39 GMT, [email protected] (Muttley) wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 11:13:20 -0700, Benjamin Lewis <[email protected]>
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Keyboard!
>>>
>>> I don't get it...
>>
>> Sorry, it's a convention is some newsgroups that if something really
>> makes you LOL, you mention that the purveyor of the comic quip has
>> caused you to ruin your keyboard by spraying it with coffee.
>>
>> Of course, you usually haven't actually soaked the keyboard - it's just
>> a sort of compliment.
>
> rec.bicycles.tech doesn't seem to have an acknowledged convention for
> that;

That because, aside from the occasional zinger from Jobst, we're a fairly
humourless bunch over here.

However, I note that this is also cross-posted to .misc and .soc.

--
Benjamin Lewis

I regret to say that we of the FBI are powerless to act in cases of
oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate
commerce. -- J. Edgar Hoover
 
Werehatrack wrote:

> Florida. It figures. (I used to live in Florida. Commercially, much
> of it makes Mos Eisley look like the Vatican. Boca Raton, in
> particular, is recognized as the spam capitol of the planet. The most
> common business model in Florida is "grab the cash and run.")

"Boca Raton" sounds better in Spanish, but I prefer to refer to it by
the English translation: "Rat Mouth, Florida."

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I bought 4 tires from them and I like them. I ordered a replacement due
to theft on Feb 8, have yet to see anything from them. I do not know
what his problem is. Dispute the credit card charges, you have 60 days
for that. Then order from http://www.nuteck.com . This is the actual
manufacturer in Colorado. I lose a little speed from the solid tires,
but it sure beats having a lot of flats.

tph wrote:
>
> Air Free Tires, Inc. 104 Smith St. New Smyrna, FL. 32168
> (386) 478-1861 fax 309 218-2459 Intl. 386 478-1861
>
> This company is a SCAM and a RIPOFF. I was stupid enough to order tires
> from them on their website:
>
> 1. They charged my credit card the same day I ordered
> 2. They double billed my card for the same one order
> 3. They NEVER shipped the merchandise to me
>
> I have called their "customer service" phone number at least 30 times,
> and have NEVER spoken to a human being, only an answering machine.
> After 30 voicemails and 20 e-mails, I have NO response from them.
> The Florida Better Business Bureau has an "unsatisfactory" rating for
> them due to failure to respond to complaints.
>
> Next time, I will check with the BBB *before* I throw away my money.
 
On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:34:06 -0700, Benjamin Lewis <[email protected]>
wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:36:39 GMT, [email protected] (Muttley) wrote:
>>> Sorry, it's a convention is some newsgroups that if something really
>>> makes you LOL, you mention that the purveyor of the comic quip has
>>> caused you to ruin your keyboard by spraying it with coffee.
>>>
>>> Of course, you usually haven't actually soaked the keyboard - it's just
>>> a sort of compliment.
>>
>> rec.bicycles.tech doesn't seem to have an acknowledged convention for
>> that;
>
>That because, aside from the occasional zinger from Jobst, we're a fairly
>humourless bunch over here.

"Zingers from Jobst"... Yeah. Right. Good thing I wasn't scritching
the cat when I read *that* line.

And Barraged On Chestnut, or whatever his name is, cannot be credibly
accused of being humorless.


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On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:46:17 -0400, Sheldon Brown
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Werehatrack wrote:
>
>> Florida. It figures. (I used to live in Florida. Commercially, much
>> of it makes Mos Eisley look like the Vatican. Boca Raton, in
>> particular, is recognized as the spam capitol of the planet. The most
>> common business model in Florida is "grab the cash and run.")
>
>"Boca Raton" sounds better in Spanish, but I prefer to refer to it by
>the English translation: "Rat Mouth, Florida."

Idiomatically, in Spanish, "raton" is "mouse", and rat is "rata",
but...

"Boca Raton" been misrepresented as "rat's mouth" in so many places
for so long that it's like "there's a sucker born every minute"; even
though PT Barnum never said it, the attribution now belongs to him by
popular acclamation...and even though Boca Raton means "mouth mouse"
in a correct Spanish-English translation, in the US it is "rat's
mouth" in the mind of the public.

I've been there. IMNSHO, it has earned the appellation.
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 19:29:19 -0500, Mike Schwab wrote:

> ... Then order from http://www.nuteck.com . This is the actual
> manufacturer in Colorado. I lose a little speed from the solid tires,
> but it sure beats having a lot of flats.

You forgot a hyphen. The URL is http://www.nu-teck.com

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Mike Schwab writes:

> I bought 4 tires from them and I like them. I ordered a replacement
> due to theft on Feb 8, have yet to see anything from them. I do not
> know what his problem is. Dispute the credit card charges, you have
> 60 days for that. Then order from http://www.nuteck.com . This is
> the actual manufacturer in Colorado. I lose a little speed from the
> solid tires, but it sure beats having a lot of flats.

I can't visualize what sort of bicycling you do with solid tires, but
exceeding 15mph while riding over even a 1/2" step in the pavement
will damage rims, there being insufficient compression in a
non-pneumatic tire to absorb such shock. Just the same, there is a
use for these tires but it is not a reasonable solution to flat tires
considering how many thousand miles most riders cover between flats.
I can't imagine riding 1000 miles on "Airfree Tires".

Jobst Brandt
[email protected]
 
Mike Schwab wrote:

> I bought 4 tires from them and I like them. I ordered a replacement due
> to theft on Feb 8, have yet to see anything from them. I do not know
> what his problem is. Dispute the credit card charges, you have 60 days
> for that. Then order from http://www.nuteck.com . This is the actual
> manufacturer in Colorado. I lose a little speed from the solid tires,
> but it sure beats having a lot of flats.
>


Actually, should be www.nu-teck.com
 
[email protected] wrote:

> ...
> I can't visualize what sort of bicycling you do with solid tires, but
> exceeding 15mph while riding over even a 1/2" step in the pavement
> will damage rims, there being insufficient compression in a
> non-pneumatic tire to absorb such shock. Just the same, there is a
> use for these tires...

They would be my tires of choice for use on wheelbarrows.

--
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On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:14:29 -0500, Tom Sherman
<[email protected]> wrote:

>[email protected] wrote:
>
>> ...
>> I can't visualize what sort of bicycling you do with solid tires, but
>> exceeding 15mph while riding over even a 1/2" step in the pavement
>> will damage rims, there being insufficient compression in a
>> non-pneumatic tire to absorb such shock. Just the same, there is a
>> use for these tires...
>
>They would be my tires of choice for use on wheelbarrows.

There's a hotdog vendor here in Houston who uses them on his cart.
Oh, and the guy at the lbs said the small ones make a dandy support
ring to help flatten out the spare tire cover on his hatchback. I
suppose that a big one might make a decent protective foot under a
spool table, but I haven't seen one of those in a long time. (As a
table, that is.)
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