Allen Lim. How many watts does testorone provide??



How many watts does artificial testoterone provide? What is the
cost/risk factor?

I find it ironic that you are completely open on certain subjects, like
providing all of Floyds training data, such as time, distances, watts,
heartrate, kilojoules burned, etc.... but completely silent on doping
to get there. I went out and tried to match all those numbers in
training, but was tired right away. HAD I KNOWN that I was to also
DOPE, than perhaps I could have pulled off managing said workload.

Also, how many excuses are we at officially? 6? Or did I miss a few?
Cortisone does manage pain (for the hip), but DOES NOT alter the T/E
ratio one bit. Any first year Med student could tell you so. I thought
Floyd said he had a beer after stage 16. DO you want me to find the
links? Now we hear it was Jack Daniels. Whatever. It will not cause the
postive result, no matter which juice he had.

Now we hear that not only have you been secretive about the hip, but
also a thyroid condition has been cloaked from the public for about a
year. If you can hide/lie about those two things, my guess is you can
lie about ANYTHING.

Natural high testoerone. Interesting latest defense. The tests will/can
prove a sudden spike, as well as evidence of aftificial testoserone.
Care to comment on that one, Doc? We all know that UCI requires
quarterly testing of riders blood work. So we should have minimum 5
years of blood work numbers data on Floyd Landis. (Not sure if was
required in 2001 and earlier, or on 2nd division teams like Mercury.
But am damn sure it was with Postal. So let's see the evidence.

You're suspect, pal. You now have credibility issues, too. At best, you
are a partner in one of the biggest hoaxs in modern sport. At worst,
you're not a very good coach, who was left in the dark the whole time.


We've met.
 
[email protected] wrote:
> How many watts does artificial testoterone provide? What is the
> cost/risk factor?
>
> I find it ironic that you are completely open on certain subjects, like
> providing all of Floyds training data, such as time, distances, watts,
> heartrate, kilojoules burned, etc.... but completely silent on doping
> to get there. I went out and tried to match all those numbers in
> training, but was tired right away. HAD I KNOWN that I was to also
> DOPE, than perhaps I could have pulled off managing said workload.
>
> Also, how many excuses are we at officially? 6? Or did I miss a few?
> Cortisone does manage pain (for the hip), but DOES NOT alter the T/E
> ratio one bit. Any first year Med student could tell you so. I thought
> Floyd said he had a beer after stage 16. DO you want me to find the
> links? Now we hear it was Jack Daniels. Whatever. It will not cause the
> postive result, no matter which juice he had.
>
> Now we hear that not only have you been secretive about the hip, but
> also a thyroid condition has been cloaked from the public for about a
> year. If you can hide/lie about those two things, my guess is you can
> lie about ANYTHING.
>
> Natural high testoerone. Interesting latest defense. The tests will/can
> prove a sudden spike, as well as evidence of aftificial testoserone.
> Care to comment on that one, Doc? We all know that UCI requires
> quarterly testing of riders blood work. So we should have minimum 5
> years of blood work numbers data on Floyd Landis. (Not sure if was
> required in 2001 and earlier, or on 2nd division teams like Mercury.
> But am damn sure it was with Postal. So let's see the evidence.
>
> You're suspect, pal. You now have credibility issues, too. At best, you
> are a partner in one of the biggest hoaxs in modern sport. At worst,
> you're not a very good coach, who was left in the dark the whole time.
>
>
> We've met.
 
[email protected] wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > How many watts does artificial testoterone provide? What is the
> > cost/risk factor?
> >
> > I find it ironic that you are completely open on certain subjects, like
> > providing all of Floyds training data, such as time, distances, watts,
> > heartrate, kilojoules burned, etc.... but completely silent on doping
> > to get there. I went out and tried to match all those numbers in
> > training, but was tired right away. HAD I KNOWN that I was to also
> > DOPE, than perhaps I could have pulled off managing said workload.
> >
> > Also, how many excuses are we at officially? 6? Or did I miss a few?
> > Cortisone does manage pain (for the hip), but DOES NOT alter the T/E
> > ratio one bit. Any first year Med student could tell you so. I thought
> > Floyd said he had a beer after stage 16. DO you want me to find the
> > links? Now we hear it was Jack Daniels. Whatever. It will not cause the
> > postive result, no matter which juice he had.
> >
> > Now we hear that not only have you been secretive about the hip, but
> > also a thyroid condition has been cloaked from the public for about a
> > year. If you can hide/lie about those two things, my guess is you can
> > lie about ANYTHING.
> >
> > Natural high testoerone. Interesting latest defense. The tests will/can
> > prove a sudden spike, as well as evidence of aftificial testoserone.
> > Care to comment on that one, Doc? We all know that UCI requires
> > quarterly testing of riders blood work. So we should have minimum 5
> > years of blood work numbers data on Floyd Landis. (Not sure if was
> > required in 2001 and earlier, or on 2nd division teams like Mercury.
> > But am damn sure it was with Postal. So let's see the evidence.
> >
> > You're suspect, pal. You now have credibility issues, too. At best, you
> > are a partner in one of the biggest hoaxs in modern sport. At worst,
> > you're not a very good coach, who was left in the dark the whole time.
> >
> >
> > We've met.


Not sure you read in here, Allen. But I know Floyd does.
 
[email protected] wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > [email protected] wrote:
> > > How many watts does artificial testoterone provide? What is the
> > > cost/risk factor?
> > >
> > > I find it ironic that you are completely open on certain subjects, like
> > > providing all of Floyds training data, such as time, distances, watts,
> > > heartrate, kilojoules burned, etc.... but completely silent on doping
> > > to get there. I went out and tried to match all those numbers in
> > > training, but was tired right away. HAD I KNOWN that I was to also
> > > DOPE, than perhaps I could have pulled off managing said workload.
> > >
> > > Also, how many excuses are we at officially? 6? Or did I miss a few?
> > > Cortisone does manage pain (for the hip), but DOES NOT alter the T/E
> > > ratio one bit. Any first year Med student could tell you so. I thought
> > > Floyd said he had a beer after stage 16. DO you want me to find the
> > > links? Now we hear it was Jack Daniels. Whatever. It will not cause the
> > > postive result, no matter which juice he had.
> > >
> > > Now we hear that not only have you been secretive about the hip, but
> > > also a thyroid condition has been cloaked from the public for about a
> > > year. If you can hide/lie about those two things, my guess is you can
> > > lie about ANYTHING.
> > >
> > > Natural high testoerone. Interesting latest defense. The tests will/can
> > > prove a sudden spike, as well as evidence of aftificial testoserone.
> > > Care to comment on that one, Doc? We all know that UCI requires
> > > quarterly testing of riders blood work. So we should have minimum 5
> > > years of blood work numbers data on Floyd Landis. (Not sure if was
> > > required in 2001 and earlier, or on 2nd division teams like Mercury.
> > > But am damn sure it was with Postal. So let's see the evidence.
> > >
> > > You're suspect, pal. You now have credibility issues, too. At best, you
> > > are a partner in one of the biggest hoaxs in modern sport. At worst,
> > > you're not a very good coach, who was left in the dark the whole time.
> > >
> > >
> > > We've met.

>
> Not sure you read in here, Allen. But I know Floyd does.



Jibberish. Rubbish, I say.

Froid
 
Froid Landis wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > [email protected] wrote:
> > > [email protected] wrote:
> > > > How many watts does artificial testoterone provide? What is the
> > > > cost/risk factor?
> > > >
> > > > I find it ironic that you are completely open on certain subjects, like
> > > > providing all of Floyds training data, such as time, distances, watts,
> > > > heartrate, kilojoules burned, etc.... but completely silent on doping
> > > > to get there. I went out and tried to match all those numbers in
> > > > training, but was tired right away. HAD I KNOWN that I was to also
> > > > DOPE, than perhaps I could have pulled off managing said workload.
> > > >
> > > > Also, how many excuses are we at officially? 6? Or did I miss a few?
> > > > Cortisone does manage pain (for the hip), but DOES NOT alter the T/E
> > > > ratio one bit. Any first year Med student could tell you so. I thought
> > > > Floyd said he had a beer after stage 16. DO you want me to find the
> > > > links? Now we hear it was Jack Daniels. Whatever. It will not cause the
> > > > postive result, no matter which juice he had.
> > > >
> > > > Now we hear that not only have you been secretive about the hip, but
> > > > also a thyroid condition has been cloaked from the public for about a
> > > > year. If you can hide/lie about those two things, my guess is you can
> > > > lie about ANYTHING.
> > > >
> > > > Natural high testoerone. Interesting latest defense. The tests will/can
> > > > prove a sudden spike, as well as evidence of aftificial testoserone.
> > > > Care to comment on that one, Doc? We all know that UCI requires
> > > > quarterly testing of riders blood work. So we should have minimum 5
> > > > years of blood work numbers data on Floyd Landis. (Not sure if was
> > > > required in 2001 and earlier, or on 2nd division teams like Mercury.
> > > > But am damn sure it was with Postal. So let's see the evidence.
> > > >
> > > > You're suspect, pal. You now have credibility issues, too. At best, you
> > > > are a partner in one of the biggest hoaxs in modern sport. At worst,
> > > > you're not a very good coach, who was left in the dark the whole time.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We've met.

> >
> > Not sure you read in here, Allen. But I know Floyd does.

>
>
> Jibberish. Rubbish, I say.
>
> Froid


Bad for business. Allen has left the building.
 
[email protected] wrote:
> How many watts does an artificial testoterone patch provide? What is the
> cost/risk factor?
>
> I find it ironic that you are completely open on certain subjects, like
> providing all of Floyds training data, such as time, distances, watts,
> heartrate, kilojoules burned, etc.... but completely silent on doping
> to get there. I went out and tried to match all those numbers in
> training, but was tired right away. HAD I KNOWN that I was to also
> DOPE, than perhaps I could have pulled off managing said workload.
>
> Also, how many excuses are we at officially? 6? Or did I miss a few?
> Cortisone does manage pain (for the hip), but DOES NOT alter the T/E
> ratio one bit. Any first year Med student could tell you so. I thought
> Floyd said he had a beer after stage 16. DO you want me to find the
> links? Now we hear it was Jack Daniels. Whatever. It will not cause the
> postive result, no matter which juice he had.
>
> Now we hear that not only have you been secretive about the hip, but
> also a thyroid condition has been cloaked from the public for about a
> year. If you can hide/lie about those two things, my guess is you can
> lie about ANYTHING.
>
> Natural high testoerone. Interesting latest defense. The tests will/can
> prove a sudden spike, as well as evidence of aftificial testoserone.
> Care to comment on that one, Doc? We all know that UCI requires
> quarterly testing of riders blood work. So we should have minimum 5
> years of blood work numbers data on Floyd Landis. (Not sure if was
> required in 2001 and earlier, or on 2nd division teams like Mercury.
> But am damn sure it was with Postal. So let's see the evidence.
>
> You're suspect, pal. You now have credibility issues, too. At best, you
> are a partner in one of the biggest hoaxs in modern sport. At worst,
> you're not a very good coach, who was left in the dark the whole time.
>
>
> We've met.


Well? I'm waiting!
 
Floyd Cheated wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > How many watts does an artificial testosterone patch provide? What is the
> > cost/risk factor?
> >
> > I find it ironic that you are completely open on certain subjects, like
> > providing all of Floyds training data, such as time, distances, watts,
> > heartrate, kilojoules burned, etc.... but completely silent on doping
> > to get there. I went out and tried to match all those numbers in
> > training, but was tired right away. HAD I KNOWN that I was to also
> > DOPE, than perhaps I could have pulled off managing said workload.
> >
> > Also, how many excuses are we at officially? 6? Or did I miss a few?
> > Cortisone does manage pain (for the hip), but DOES NOT alter the T/E
> > ratio one bit. Any first year Med student could tell you so. I thought
> > Floyd said he had a beer after stage 16. DO you want me to find the
> > links? Now we hear it was Jack Daniels. Whatever. It will not cause the
> > postive result, no matter which juice he had.
> >
> > Now we hear that not only have you been secretive about the hip, but
> > also a thyroid condition has been cloaked from the public for about a
> > year. If you can hide/lie about those two things, my guess is you can
> > lie about ANYTHING.
> >
> > Natural high testoerone. Interesting latest defense. The tests will/can
> > prove a sudden spike, as well as evidence of aftificial testoserone.
> > Care to comment on that one, Doc? We all know that UCI requires
> > quarterly testing of riders blood work. So we should have minimum 5
> > years of blood work numbers data on Floyd Landis. (Not sure if was
> > required in 2001 and earlier, or on 2nd division teams like Mercury.
> > But am damn sure it was with Postal. So let's see the evidence.
> >
> > You're suspect, pal. You now have credibility issues, too. At best, you
> > are a partner in one of the biggest hoaxs in modern sport. At worst,
> > you're not a very good coach, who was left in the dark the whole time.
> >
> >
> > We've met.

>
> Well? I'm waiting!
 
Floyd Cheated wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
> > How many watts does an artificial testoterone patch provide? What is the
> > cost/risk factor?
> >
> > I find it ironic that you are completely open on certain subjects, like
> > providing all of Floyds training data, such as time, distances, watts,
> > heartrate, kilojoules burned, etc.... but completely silent on doping
> > to get there. I went out and tried to match all those numbers in
> > training, but was tired right away. HAD I KNOWN that I was to also
> > DOPE, than perhaps I could have pulled off managing said workload.
> >
> > Also, how many excuses are we at officially? 6? Or did I miss a few?
> > Cortisone does manage pain (for the hip), but DOES NOT alter the T/E
> > ratio one bit. Any first year Med student could tell you so. I thought
> > Floyd said he had a beer after stage 16. DO you want me to find the
> > links? Now we hear it was Jack Daniels. Whatever. It will not cause the
> > postive result, no matter which juice he had.
> >
> > Now we hear that not only have you been secretive about the hip, but
> > also a thyroid condition has been cloaked from the public for about a
> > year. If you can hide/lie about those two things, my guess is you can
> > lie about ANYTHING.
> >
> > Natural high testoerone. Interesting latest defense. The tests will/can
> > prove a sudden spike, as well as evidence of aftificial testoserone.
> > Care to comment on that one, Doc? We all know that UCI requires
> > quarterly testing of riders blood work. So we should have minimum 5
> > years of blood work numbers data on Floyd Landis. (Not sure if was
> > required in 2001 and earlier, or on 2nd division teams like Mercury.
> > But am damn sure it was with Postal. So let's see the evidence.
> >
> > You're suspect, pal. You now have credibility issues, too. At best, you
> > are a partner in one of the biggest hoaxs in modern sport. At worst,
> > you're not a very good coach, who was left in the dark the whole time.
> >
> >
> > We've met.

>
> Well? I'm waiting!


Since I don't recall Dr. Lim ever posting here, I expect you'll be
waiting a while.

Andy Coggan
 
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 11:46:42 -0400, <[email protected]> wrote:

> Floyd Cheated wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>> > How many watts does an artificial testoterone patch provide? What is

>> the
>> > cost/risk factor?
>> >
>> > I find it ironic that you are completely open on certain subjects,

>> like
>> > providing all of Floyds training data, such as time, distances, watts,
>> > heartrate, kilojoules burned, etc.... but completely silent on doping
>> > to get there. I went out and tried to match all those numbers in
>> > training, but was tired right away. HAD I KNOWN that I was to also
>> > DOPE, than perhaps I could have pulled off managing said workload.
>> >
>> > Also, how many excuses are we at officially? 6? Or did I miss a few?
>> > Cortisone does manage pain (for the hip), but DOES NOT alter the T/E
>> > ratio one bit. Any first year Med student could tell you so. I thought
>> > Floyd said he had a beer after stage 16. DO you want me to find the
>> > links? Now we hear it was Jack Daniels. Whatever. It will not cause

>> the
>> > postive result, no matter which juice he had.
>> >
>> > Now we hear that not only have you been secretive about the hip, but
>> > also a thyroid condition has been cloaked from the public for about a
>> > year. If you can hide/lie about those two things, my guess is you can
>> > lie about ANYTHING.
>> >
>> > Natural high testoerone. Interesting latest defense. The tests

>> will/can
>> > prove a sudden spike, as well as evidence of aftificial testoserone.
>> > Care to comment on that one, Doc? We all know that UCI requires
>> > quarterly testing of riders blood work. So we should have minimum 5
>> > years of blood work numbers data on Floyd Landis. (Not sure if was
>> > required in 2001 and earlier, or on 2nd division teams like Mercury.
>> > But am damn sure it was with Postal. So let's see the evidence.
>> >
>> > You're suspect, pal. You now have credibility issues, too. At best,

>> you
>> > are a partner in one of the biggest hoaxs in modern sport. At worst,
>> > you're not a very good coach, who was left in the dark the whole time.
>> >
>> >
>> > We've met.

>>
>> Well? I'm waiting!

>
> Since I don't recall Dr. Lim ever posting here, I expect you'll be
> waiting a while.
>
> Andy Coggan
>


Floyd Cheated and Doped Cyclist in a discussion. Who would've thunk it?

--
Bob in CT