Alpenrose Challenge Results for Friday, 18Jul2003

[Mike Murray]

Alpenrose Challenge Results for Friday, 18Jul2003

Pursuit Results 2K Masters 1 238 Luis Bernhardt PSCC Gregg's 02:42.00 2 66 Mark Rodamaker 02:44.33 3
237 Ted Forgeron Team Rose City 02:46.37 4 234 George Schreck Corben Huntair 02:51.45 5 240 John
Forbes Corben Huntair 02:56.95

3K Masters 1 235 Steve Yenne ExcelSports 04:00.78 2 64 Carl Roberts Team Cliff Bar 04:02.38 3 236
Steve Holland Corben Huntair 04:04.86 4 232 Kevin Ball EnSelle 04:06.97 5 35 David Oliphant Fred
Meyer 04:15.61 6 239 John Simmons Shaws GCC 04:16.73 7 233 Will Fernyhough Gregg's 04:21.50

3K Women 1 100 Larssyn Staley HotTubes 04:05.47 2 101 Heather Albert Basis 04:06.73 3 111 Annette
Hanson Team Rubicon 04:11.48 4 102 Ashley Kimmet Colavita/bolla 04:15.85 5 115 Breanna Loster Opus
Women 04:19.70 6 107 Miranda Moon Team Rubicon 04:24.92 7 104 Kim Lucas Team Oregon 04:37.39 8 112
Heather VanValkenburg Sorella Forte 04:40.08

4K Men 1 99 Kenny Williams Saturn for Seattle 04:58.41 2 9 Marty Nothstein Navigators 04:59.28 3 33
Mike Beers Gotham Cyclist 05:10.02 4 28 Josh Kerkhof Mercy 05:10.17 5 71 Nathan Rouse
Sportsbook.com, 05:10.21 6 46 Adam Curry Velocraft 05:12.42 7 60 Peter Drake Fred Meyer 05:13.67 8
26 Mikkel Bossen BikeGallery/TREK/VW 05:22.80 9 47 Mike McCorkell Olympic Oval 05:24.10 10 75 David
Boxberger EWEB Windpower 05:30.69 11 51 Brian O'Neal RMS 05:31.38 12 73 Andre Steinhausen
Schwalbe-Erpic 05:35.65 13 63 Geoff Argue Escape Velocity/Devo 05:41.14 14 74 Kevin Lieberman Landis
Trek/VW 05:57.19

Timed Event Results 500m Masters Num Name Team Time 1 66 Mark Rodamaker 00:38.94 2 270 Chris
Rycewict Team Oregon 00:40.02 3 36 Steve Brown Beaverton Bicycle Club 00:40.09 4 237 Ted Forgeron
Team Rose City 00:40.40 5 266 Eric Christensen TeamRoseCity 00:40.84 6 242 Chris Anstey
Schwalbe-Erpic 00:40.88 7 238 Luis Bernhardt PSCC Gregg's/Specialized 00:41.75 8 234 George Schreck
Corben Huntair 00:43.12

500m Women 1 111 Annette Hanson Team Rubicon 00:39.98 2 103 Laura Yoisten Colnago/Carrera 00:40.23 3
102 Ashley Kimmet Colavita/bolla 00:40.93 4 115 Breanna Loster Opus Women 00:41.60 5 107 Miranda
Moon Team Rubicon 00:41.82 6 106 Jen Featheringill Bike Central 00:42.27 7 109 Tela Crane 00:42.51 8
112 Heather VanValkenburg Sorella Forte 00:42.85 9 105 Darien Curl Team Rubicon 00:42.97 10 101
Heather Albert Basis 00:43.64 11 104 Kim Lucas River City/Team Oregon 00:45.53

1K Masters 1 236 Steve Holland Corben Huntair 01:18.80 2 231 Bill Egan Landis Trek/VW 01:19.58 3 232
Kevin Ball EnSelleTheTrackBikeShop 01:19.63 4 247 Steve Garcia Bike Central 01:19.68 5 20 Chauncey
Curl Team Rubicon 01:20.28 6 64 Carl Roberts Team Cliff Bar 01:20.85 7 233 Will Fernyhough Gregg's
01:21.59 8 239 John Simmons Shaws GCC 01:22.02

1K Men 1 9 Marty Nothstein Navigators 01:10.04 2 99 Kenny Williams Saturn for Seattle 01:11.38 3 48
Cameron Mackinnon Bicisport 01:11.78 4 33 Mike Beers Gotham Cyclist 01:12.21 5 46 Adam Curry
Velocraft 01:13.28 6 81 Jeff Hopkins JitteryJoe's 01:14.54 7 76 Adam Southerland Corben Huntair
01:14.73 8 84 Ian Eglitis Presto Velo/Bike-N-Hike 01:16.05 9 75 David Boxberger EWEB Windpower
01:16.60 10 47 Mike McCorkell Olympic Oval 01:16.78 11 78 Brian Kennan Byrne Specialty Gas 01:16.87
12 60 Peter Drake Fred Meyer 01:17.48 13 92 DominicVanHorn RiverCity/TeamOregon 01:18.71 14 xx David
Wiswell Gotham Cyclist 01:19.33 15 74 Kevin Lieberman Landis Trek/VW 01:21.14 16 73 Andre
Steinhausen Schwalbe-Erpic 01:23.14

Men Qualifier Points Race (Top 9 qualify for Mens Points Race on Sunday) Num Name Team Laps Points 1
60 Peter Drake Fred Meyer Even 33 2 83 David Fleischhauer Rad Racing NW Even 31 3 89 Soloman Woras
Team Rubicon Even 17 4 77 Nathan Hobson Half Fast Velo Even 14 5 86 Scott Robinson GSCamerati Even
11 6 27 Mark Ginsberg River City/Team Oregon Even 9 7 51 Brian O'Neal RMS Even 8 8 30 Josh Kadis
GSLombardi Even 6 9 62 Taylor Kneuven Beaverton Bicycle Club Even 2 10 63 Geoff Argue Escape
Velocity/Devo Even 0 11 78 Brian Kennan Byrne Specialty Gas Even 0 12 85 John Boelsems GS Camerati
Even 0 13 105 Darien Curl Team Rubicon Even 0 14 110 Norrene Godfrey Team Rubicon Even 0 15 240 John
Forbes Corben Huntair Even 0 16 88 Marty Cahill Corben Huntair -3 2 17 26 Mikkel Bossen
BikeGallery/TREK/VW DNF 6 18 49 Dean Tracy Team Rubicon DNF 2 19 75 David Boxberger EWEB Windpower
DNF 2 20 70 Chauncey Curl Team Rubicon DNF 0 21 82 Craig Sinanian Half Fast Velo DNF 0

 

[Kurgan Gringion]

"Mike Murray" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:QfXSa.102504$GL4.27064@rwcrnsc53...
> Alpenrose Challenge Results for Friday, 18Jul2003
>
> 1K Masters 1 236 Steve Holland Corben Huntair 01:18.80 2 231 Bill Egan Landis Trek/VW 01:19.58 3
> 232 Kevin Ball EnSelleTheTrackBikeShop 01:19.63 4 247 Steve Garcia Bike Central 01:19.68 5 20
> Chauncey Curl Team Rubicon 01:20.28 6 64 Carl Roberts Team Cliff Bar 01:20.85 7 233 Will
> Fernyhough Gregg's 01:21.59 8 239 John Simmons Shaws GCC 01:22.02

Goddamm, the Oregon Masters Fatties are fast.

 

[Warren]

In article <%[email protected]>, Kurgan Gringioni
<[email protected]> wrote:

> "Mike Murray" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:QfXSa.102504$GL4.27064@rwcrnsc53...
> > Alpenrose Challenge Results for Friday, 18Jul2003
> >
> > 1K Masters 1 236 Steve Holland Corben Huntair 01:18.80 2 231 Bill Egan Landis Trek/VW 01:19.58 3
> > 232 Kevin Ball EnSelleTheTrackBikeShop 01:19.63 4 247 Steve Garcia Bike Central 01:19.68 5 20
> > Chauncey Curl Team Rubicon 01:20.28 6 64 Carl Roberts Team Cliff Bar 01:20.85 7 233 Will
> > Fernyhough Gregg's 01:21.59 8 239 John Simmons Shaws GCC 01:22.02
>
>
>
>
>
> Goddamm, the Oregon Masters Fatties are fast.

That track can be slow. Nothstein only did a 1:10 kilo and the track record is only 1:08.

-WG

 

[Mike Murray]

Kurgan Gringioni <[email protected]> wrote: "Goddamm, the Oregon Masters
Fatties are fast."

and "warren" <[email protected]> responded: "That track can be slow. Nothstein only did a 1:10 kilo
and the track record is only 1:08."

Warren is correct. Timed events at Alpenrose are slower, about 1 sec/lap or more depending on the
event as shown by the records below. Alpenrose is probably the second slowest velodrome in the
country. On the other hand, it is slow for everyone so it doesn't really effect the competition.
There are lots of reasons why it is slow that I could delineate if any one is interested.
--
Mike Murray

Alpenrose Velodrome Records Velodrome length 268.43 meters

Men: Flying lap Jeff LaBauve 15.24 2002 Flying 200 m Jeff LaBauve 11.34 2002 500m Stan Gregg 37.56
2001 1 K Marty Nothstein 1:08.76 2001 2K Woody Cox 2:34.01 2001 3K Gene Wixson 3:42.00 1995 4K Mike
Tillman 4:54:23 2002 Olympic Sprint Marty Nothstein 53.85 2001 Josh Weir Stephen Alfred 1 Hour Jamie
Mikami 44.030 km 1996 164+laps Team Pursuit Adam Payne 4:46.90 1997 John Walrod Benjamin Sharpe
Brian Whitcomb

10 MILE Kenny Williams 20:40.78 2001

Junior: 1K Adam Southerland 1:12.90 2002 3K Gene Wixson 3:42.00 1995

Women: Flying lap Jen Evans 17.21 1997 Flying 200m Jennie Reed 12.65 2001 500m Lori-Ann Muenzer
37.90 2001 3K Jen Evans 4:00.64 1997 Olympic sprint Suzy Tignor 1:01:90 2002 JoAnne Kiesanowski Erin
Mirabella 1 Hour Nina Strika 38.160 km 1996 142 laps 43m

 

[Kurgan Gringion]

"warren" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:210720031505011457%[email protected]...
> In article <%[email protected]>, Kurgan Gringioni
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > "Mike Murray" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:QfXSa.102504$GL4.27064@rwcrnsc53...
> > > Alpenrose Challenge Results for Friday, 18Jul2003
> > >
> > > 1K Masters 1 236 Steve Holland Corben Huntair 01:18.80 2 231 Bill Egan Landis Trek/VW 01:19.58
> > > 3 232 Kevin Ball EnSelleTheTrackBikeShop 01:19.63 4 247 Steve Garcia Bike Central 01:19.68 5
> > > 20 Chauncey Curl Team Rubicon 01:20.28 6 64 Carl Roberts Team Cliff Bar 01:20.85 7 233 Will
> > > Fernyhough Gregg's 01:21.59 8 239 John Simmons Shaws GCC 01:22.02
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Goddamm, the Oregon Masters Fatties are fast.
>
> That track can be slow. Nothstein only did a 1:10 kilo and the track record is only 1:08.

Goddam, the Oregon Masters Fatties are fast.

 

[Warren]

In article <[email protected]>, Mike Murray
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Kurgan Gringioni <[email protected]> wrote: "Goddamm, the Oregon Masters
> Fatties are fast."
>
> and "warren" <[email protected]> responded: "That track can be slow. Nothstein only did a 1:10 kilo
> and the track record is only 1:08."
>
> Warren is correct. Timed events at Alpenrose are slower, about 1 sec/lap or more depending on the
> event as shown by the records below. Alpenrose is probably the second slowest velodrome in the
> country. On the other hand, it is slow for everyone so it doesn't really effect the competition.
> There are lots of reasons why it is slow that I could delineate if any one is interested.

I have wondered this, especially since people say the track is much nicer to ride on after its
remodeling. So, why is it a little slow?

-WG

 

[Mike Murray]

"warren" <[email protected]> asked: "I have wondered this, especially since people say the track is
much nicer to ride on after its remodeling. So, why is it a little slow?"

The track is nicer to ride since the remodeling. The remodel was done 6 years ago and it involved
tearing out 90 feet in each of the 4 corners, almost 1/2 of the track, and rebuilding them to make
the transition less abrupt. Before the remodel the transitions were so abrupt that riding above the
stayer's line you would get very light and maybe even leave the ground coming out of the turn and
there would be a big compressions going into the turn. Of course, the effect was greater the further
out you were on the track. This also means that the improvement was less lower on the track so the
remodel had little effect in the sprinter's lane and little effect on how fast the track is.

One of the reasons that the track is slow is that it is fairly bumpy. Most of the bumps are over a
fairly long run but basically the surface is similar to riding on the road. This was something that
we hoped to improve with the remodel since we expected that at least the new parts would be
smoother. The design presented to the contractor specified the surface elevations to
1/32" on 1 foot centers. Unfortunately the contractor was insufficiently careful on pouring the new
sections and there were fairly large dips and bumps with one portion 3 1/2" off specifications.
This initiated a long process of arguing with the contractor, identifying the portions above and
below specifications, grinding down the high spots to below specs and then filling those and the
low spots up to spec. At the conclusion of this process the new portions were no bumpier than the
old portions and that was as good as it was going to get.

The other reasons are:

- Tight turns and long straights. The rounder a track is the faster it will be. Alpenrose is not at
all round. From the air it looks more like a cigar.
- Steep banks. This makes the rider climb a bit in each turn. At Alpenrose this works out to more
than 1 foot rise each lap
- Single radius turns. The turns are circular. This means that as you ride your angular acceleration
goes from zero to a fixed number, stays at that number through the turn and then suddenly goes
back to zero. This give you a sensation of being tossed into and out of the turn which tends to
slow you down.
- Abrupt transition to the apron. The apron is flat and the turn is about 43 degrees with no
transition between the two. When you are riding it is pretty obvious you don't want to go too far
left. Sponges are cosmetic at Alpenrose and it is rare for anyone to hit one. This makes it pretty
hard to keep a low line.

--
Mike Murray

 

[Warren]

Thanks for that.

-WG

In article <IdeTa.118225$N7.16411@sccrnsc03>, Mike Murray <[email protected]> wrote:

> "warren" <[email protected]> asked: "I have wondered this, especially since people say the track is
> much nicer to ride on after its remodeling. So, why is it a little slow?"
>
> The track is nicer to ride since the remodeling. The remodel was done 6 years ago and it involved
> tearing out 90 feet in each of the 4 corners, almost 1/2 of the track, and rebuilding them to make
> the transition less abrupt. Before the remodel the transitions were so abrupt that riding above
> the stayer's line you would get very light and maybe even leave the ground coming out of the turn
> and there would be a big compressions going into the turn. Of course, the effect was greater the
> further out you were on the track. This also means that the improvement was less lower on the
> track so the remodel had little effect in the sprinter's lane and little effect on how fast the
> track is.
>
> One of the reasons that the track is slow is that it is fairly bumpy. Most of the bumps are over a
> fairly long run but basically the surface is similar to riding on the road. This was something
> that we hoped to improve with the remodel since we expected that at least the new parts would be
> smoother. The design presented to the contractor specified the surface elevations to
> 1/32" on 1 foot centers. Unfortunately the contractor was insufficiently careful on pouring the
> new sections and there were fairly large dips and bumps with one portion 3 1/2" off
> specifications. This initiated a long process of arguing with the contractor, identifying the
> portions above and below specifications, grinding down the high spots to below specs and then
> filling those and the low spots up to spec. At the conclusion of this process the new portions
> were no bumpier than the old portions and that was as good as it was going to get.
>
> The other reasons are:
>
> - Tight turns and long straights. The rounder a track is the faster it will be. Alpenrose is not
> at all round. From the air it looks more like a cigar.
> - Steep banks. This makes the rider climb a bit in each turn. At Alpenrose this works out to more
> than 1 foot rise each lap
> - Single radius turns. The turns are circular. This means that as you ride your angular
> acceleration goes from zero to a fixed number, stays at that number through the turn and then
> suddenly goes back to zero. This give you a sensation of being tossed into and out of the turn
> which tends to slow you down.
> - Abrupt transition to the apron. The apron is flat and the turn is about 43 degrees with no
> transition between the two. When you are riding it is pretty obvious you don't want to go too
> far left. Sponges are cosmetic at Alpenrose and it is rare for anyone to hit one. This makes it
> pretty hard to keep a low line.