American Heart Association Position on Low Carbohydrate Dieting

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22 Oct 2003 16:55:17 -0700 in article
<[email protected]> [email protected]
(Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD) wrote:

>See:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/rz25


That's old news, issued last year, before the new important studies were
published. Besides, from the article

The burning question
The Sydney Morning Herald, October 23, 2003
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/10/22/1066631499123.html

read at least this citation:

"Those already embarked on such research suspect that it will take a
great deal to overcome the visceral response the mere mention of
Atkins provokes among academics. Says Brehm: "A lot of people just
want to hold on to what they learned in college.""

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Matti Narkia
 
Thu, 23 Oct 2003 05:10:31 GMT in article
<[email protected]> Matti Narkia
<[email protected]> wrote:

>22 Oct 2003 16:55:17 -0700 in article
><[email protected]> [email protected]
>(Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD) wrote:
>
>>See:
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/rz25

>
>That's old news, issued last year, before the new important studies were
>published. Besides, from the article
>
>The burning question
>The Sydney Morning Herald, October 23, 2003
>http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/10/22/1066631499123.html
>
>read at least this citation:
>
> "Those already embarked on such research suspect that it will take a
> great deal to overcome the visceral response the mere mention of
> Atkins provokes among academics. Says Brehm: "A lot of people just
> want to hold on to what they learned in college.""
>

Another interesting quote from the article:

"Such attitudes might suggest that the scientific world is in the
grip of cognitive dissonance over the Atkins Diet, preferring to
ignore whatever evidence it does not like. Professor Eric Westman, a
clinical trials expert at Duke University in North Carolina, and
author of a study of the evidence for and against the diet, says,
"It is making people re-examine dogma - and it's not always
appreciated."

According to his review, which is due to appear in Current
Atherosclerosis Reports, studies show that the Atkins diet does
produce weight loss over six months, and without obvious health
effects. Contrary to the claims of many nutritionists, there is even
evidence that it may be healthier than the standard diet: despite
its promotion of fat and eggs, studies suggest that the diet may
boost levels of the healthy forms of cholesterol.

Westman thinks that this unexpected effect may explain a long-
standing mystery surrounding heart disease. In the late 1980s,
researchers began investigating the unusually low rates of heart
attacks and stroke among Eskimo communities in Greenland. Until now,
the explanation was thought to lie in their diet of oily fish. Yet
attempts to reduce heart disease using supplements of fish oil
extracts proved disappointing. Westman says the studies of the
Atkins diet point to another explanation: that the lo-carb diet
forced on the Inuit by their environment gives them higher levels of
healthy forms of cholesterol, which are proven to lower heart
disease risk."

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Matti Narkia
 
Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:18:09 -0400 in article
<[email protected]> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Matti Narkia wrote:
>
>> 22 Oct 2003 16:55:17 -0700 in article
>> <[email protected]> [email protected]
>> (Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD) wrote:
>>
>> >See:
>> >
>> >http://tinyurl.com/rz25

>>
>> That's old news, issued last year, before the new important studies were
>> published.

>
>It remains the position of the AHA. Sorry.


I'm also sorry about the picture it gives about AHA.


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Matti Narkia
 
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:27:34 GMT, Matti Narkia <[email protected]>
wrote:

>>> That's old news, issued last year, before the new important studies were
>>> published.

>>
>>It remains the position of the AHA. Sorry.

>
>I'm also sorry about the picture it gives about AHA.


The AHA could care less about your opinion unless you are a
cardiologist.

Are you a cardiologist or an MD or exactly what are you, Matti?

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031018.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
 
Matti Narkia wrote:

> Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:18:09 -0400 in article
> <[email protected]> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Matti Narkia wrote:
> >
> >> 22 Oct 2003 16:55:17 -0700 in article
> >> <[email protected]> [email protected]
> >> (Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD) wrote:
> >>
> >> >See:
> >> >
> >> >http://tinyurl.com/rz25
> >>
> >> That's old news, issued last year, before the new important studies were
> >> published.

> >
> >It remains the position of the AHA. Sorry.

>
> I'm also sorry about the picture it gives about AHA.


... to the jaundiced eye of a low-carber perhaps.

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/
 
Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:22:55 -0400 in article
<[email protected]> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Matti Narkia wrote:
>
>> Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:18:09 -0400 in article
>> <[email protected]> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >It remains the position of the AHA. Sorry.

>>
>> I'm also sorry about the picture it gives about AHA.

>
>.. to the jaundiced eye of a low-carber perhaps.
>

FYI I'm not a low-carber. I'm not a high-carber either. I have no problem
keeping my weight, so I don't count my calories, carbs or fat, just try to
eat healthily. But I'm theoretically interested in LC diets, because
according to recent studies they may be onto something.



--
Matti Narkia
 
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:35:01 GMT, Matti Narkia <[email protected]>
wrote:

> I have no problem
>keeping my weight, so I don't count my calories, carbs or fat, just try to
>eat healthily.


What exactly do you determine is "eating healthily"? What is your
average food/drink intake in pounds per day?

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap031018.html
Lift well, Eat less, Walk fast, Live long.
 
Matti Narkia wrote:

> Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:22:55 -0400 in article
> <[email protected]> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Matti Narkia wrote:
> >
> >> Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:18:09 -0400 in article
> >> <[email protected]> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >It remains the position of the AHA. Sorry.
> >>
> >> I'm also sorry about the picture it gives about AHA.

> >
> >.. to the jaundiced eye of a low-carber perhaps.
> >

> FYI I'm not a low-carber. I'm not a high-carber either. I have no problem
> keeping my weight, so I don't count my calories, carbs or fat, just try to
> eat healthily. But I'm theoretically interested in LC diets


Sounds like more than just a theoretical interest.

--
Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-Certified Cardiologist
http://www.heartmdphd.com/
 
Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:35:33 -0400 in article
<[email protected]> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Matti Narkia wrote:
>
>> Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:22:55 -0400 in article
>> <[email protected]> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >Matti Narkia wrote:
>> >
>> >> Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:18:09 -0400 in article
>> >> <[email protected]> "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >It remains the position of the AHA. Sorry.
>> >>
>> >> I'm also sorry about the picture it gives about AHA.
>> >
>> >.. to the jaundiced eye of a low-carber perhaps.
>> >

>> FYI I'm not a low-carber. I'm not a high-carber either. I have no problem
>> keeping my weight, so I don't count my calories, carbs or fat, just try to
>> eat healthily. But I'm theoretically interested in LC diets

>
>Sounds like more than just a theoretical interest.
>

Not immediately. If LC diets prove generally useful even for people who
don't need to lose weight, then it's a different story. Let's wait and read
new studies which are bound to keep coming.

--
Matti Narkia
 
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> If LC diets prove generally useful even for people who
>don't need to lose weight, then it's a different story. Let's wait and read
>new studies which are bound to keep coming.
>
>--
>Matti Narkia


Here's one that should be of interest:

Blood Glucose Concentration Linked to>Cardiovascular Risk in Nondiabetic Men>
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WESTPORT,>CT (Reuters Health) Jan 04 - Increased glycated hemoglobin
(HbA1c)>concentrations are predictive of cardiovascular mortality among
all men,>not only those with diabetes, according to a report in the
British>Medical Journal for January 6.

Dr. Kay-Tee Khaw and colleagues, from>the University of Cambridge
School of Clinical Medicine, UK, collected>data on all-cause mortality
and cardiovascular mortality in 4662 men, 45>to 79 years of age, who
participated in the Norfolk UK cohort of the>European Prospective
Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition>(EPIC-Norfolk). At baseline,
from 1995 to 1997, HbA1c was measured and>the subjects were followed
until December 1999.

As expected, Dr.>Khaw's group found that diabetic men had increased
mortality for all>causes, cardiovascular disease and ischemic disease.
They also noted that>HbA1c concentrations were "continuously related to
subsequent all-cause,>cardiovascular, and ischemic mortality through
the whole population." The>lowest mortality rates were associated with
HbA1c concentrations below>5%.

Further, the group noted that a 1% increase in HbA1c was>associated
with a 28% increased risk of death, which was independent of>age, blood
pressure, cholesterol, body mass index and>smoking.

"Eighteen percent of the population excess mortality risk>associated
with a HbA1c concentration of 5% or more occurred in men with>diabetes,
but 82% occurred in men with concentrations of 5% to 6.9% (the>majority
of the population)," Dr. Khaw and colleagues point>out.

The researchers propose that an elevated concentrations of>HbA1c is a
marker for greater absolute risk among all men, and>"preventive
treatment with blood pressure- or cholesterol-lowering drugs>should be
considered in such patients."

They point out that if>the population of nondiabetic men was able to
lower its HbA1c>concentration by 0.1%, total mortality could be reduced
by 5%, and if the>concentration could be lowered by 0.2%, then total
mortality could be>reduced by 10% in this population.

Susan
 
M_un Shot schrieb:
>
> On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:27:34 GMT, Matti Narkia <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >>> That's old news, issued last year, before the new important studies were
> >>> published.
> >>
> >>It remains the position of the AHA. Sorry.

> >
> >I'm also sorry about the picture it gives about AHA.

>
> The AHA could care less about your opinion unless you are a
> cardiologist.
>
> Are you a cardiologist or an MD or exactly what are you, Matti?


Atkins was a cardiologist.

Thorsten

--
"Nothing in biology makes sense, except in the light of evolution"

(Theodosius Dobzhansky)
 
Mars at the Mu_n's Edge schrieb:
>
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:36:12 +0100, Thorsten Schier
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> Are you a cardiologist or an MD or exactly what are you, Matti?

> >
> >Atkins was a cardiologist.
> >
> >Thorsten

>
> Thank you.
>
> <rolling eyes>
>

You are welcome.

Thorsten

--
"Nothing in biology makes sense, except in the light of evolution"

(Theodosius Dobzhansky)