Andrew Chung FAQ

Just do a google search. He's dumped so much junk here since I came here
back in April that I can't begin to remember it all. Little, if any, was
sound, heart healthy advice.

Do you have a cardiologist? If not, and you have chest pains, get one
yesterday. He's the one to get your advice from because he has the results
from your tests and knows your lifestyle. Chung, at best, could only be
taking wild guesses about your personal condition.

Budd

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OK, do you have one example of bad advice. (Outside of two pound diet

issues.)

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Bill

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Bill,

As a double bypass patient that had the pleasure of having an excellent
cardiologist, I have a bit of experience with cardiologists.

Chung is not person I would trust with my heart health. His advice is

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that good at best.

Budd Cochran

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> An individual who purports to be a board-certified cardiologist with
> an international reputation has been regularly posting to this and
> other health-oriented newsgroups over the last several years. The
> posts have been under the name Andrew Chung, with an originating
> domain of heartmdphd.com and (before that), emory.edu.
>
> Other names that this individual has apparently used include Michael
> Roose and "MU".
>
> The posts have the following characteristics:
>
> 1. They dispense medical advice on heart disease, diabetes, and
> weight-loss.
> 2. They are often off-topic, and are cross-posted freely.
> 3. They frequently contain threats of legal action for "libel",
> usually when someone else disagrees with Chung's views.
>
> There is an Andrew Chung who resides in the Atlanta area, living in

a

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> rather seedy suburb of Atlanta. This indiviudal is unaffiliated

with

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> any hospitals in the area, making it extremely unlikely that he has

an

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> active medical practice.
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> There is also a Web site, www.heartmdphd.com, that contains a great
> deal of self-serving information concerning Andrew Chung, and also
> features a so-called cyberstalking section that hosts insults

directed

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> at those who have criticized Chung's on-line articles hyping his
> "two-pound" diet and other recommended treatments.
>
> In all likelihood Dr. Chung is at worst a quack and at best a lonely
> and isolated individual who compensates for a feeling of failure and
> emptiness with his online shenanigans.
>
> In any case, his medical advice should be avoided, or at least
> verified by one's own physician.

Actually, from what I have seen his advice has been quite

knowledgeable

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helpful. Two pound diet issues aside - which seems to inflame a lot of
passion - can you provide some examples, or any example for that

matter,

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medical information that he has provided that is factually incorrect?

If not, why do you believe such advice should be avoided?

Bill

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Just do a google search. He's dumped so much junk here since I came here
back in April that I can't begin to remember it all. Little, if any, was
sound, heart healthy advice.

In your opinion, but I've not seen much better from anyone else lately...

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Chung, at best, could only be
taking wild guesses about your personal condition.

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Wild guessing is not surprising, as this is usenet and not a surgery. Most
posts are unspecific anyway, so what would you prefer - a reasoned answer
from a professional on the scant info given, or a mystical crystal ball
reading from the likes of Jai Maharaj ??

People that are worried come here first because they can get some general
idea of what they are wanting to know, before consulting for a fat fee.
This is a great service, and I wish more genuine doctors would participate
as there is a wealth of *hidden* information in the medical world to be
passed on, that the general public find hard to gain access to for free.

Nobody in their right mind would accept anything posted here as the
definitive answer, but you can certainly get an idea of what you need to
know from people like Dr.Chung, who give time freely to try to educate us
mere mortals. I posted a few questions, got an idea of what to be specific
about with the specialist, went to see one and got sorted out much quicker
than if I had gone there with little or no idea at all.

I do get the feeling that all the negativity here is about money, in that
some in the medical profession would rather we went to their office and
paid them for what we can mostly get here for free. In the last few months,
I've been smelling rats in the barrel, and I think I got an idea who it
is.....
My killfile is growing daily !

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You can't have it all -
Where would you put it ?

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Budd Cochran declared:

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Just do a google search. He's dumped so much junk here since I came here
back in April that I can't begin to remember it all. Little, if any, was
sound, heart healthy advice.

In your opinion, but I've not seen much better from anyone else lately...

And this adds even less than what I did.

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Chung, at best, could only be
taking wild guesses about your personal condition.

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Wild guessing is not surprising, as this is usenet and not a surgery. Most
posts are unspecific anyway, so what would you prefer - a reasoned answer
from a professional on the scant info given, or a mystical crystal ball
reading from the likes of Jai Maharaj ??

Would you rather be treated by a known quack? Chung is a quack.

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People that are worried come here first because they can get some general
idea of what they are wanting to know, before consulting for a fat fee.
This is a great service, and I wish more genuine doctors would participate
as there is a wealth of *hidden* information in the medical world to be
passed on, that the general public find hard to gain access to for free.

I agree, but you have to protect innocent people from the carnivorous
raptors disguised as quacks.

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Nobody in their right mind would accept anything posted here as the
definitive answer, but you can certainly get an idea of what you need to
know from people like Dr.Chung, who give time freely to try to educate us
mere mortals. I posted a few questions, got an idea of what to be specific
about with the specialist, went to see one and got sorted out much quicker
than if I had gone there with little or no idea at all.

I haven't been so fortunate as some discussions have tended to degrade into
topics I do not wish to discuss. It's sometimes hard to even tell a joke in
here.

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I do get the feeling that all the negativity here is about money, in that
some in the medical profession would rather we went to their office and
paid them for what we can mostly get here for free. In the last few

months,

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I've been smelling rats in the barrel, and I think I got an idea who it
is.....
My killfile is growing daily !

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You can't have it all -
Where would you put it ?

Well, if you think I'm a rat, then fine, add me to your kill file. It's your
loss.

IMHO, Chung is a dangerous quack that doesn't care if his advice costs
someone their life or not.

Budd

You didn't answer the question you were asked. He asked you for one
example of bad advice. Appears you are just blowing smoke and have
nothing to back up your statement with .

Bob

Budd Cochran said:

Just do a google search. He's dumped so much junk here since I came here
back in April that I can't begin to remember it all. Little, if any, was
sound, heart healthy advice.

Do you have a cardiologist? If not, and you have chest pains, get one
yesterday. He's the one to get your advice from because he has the results
from your tests and knows your lifestyle. Chung, at best, could only be
taking wild guesses about your personal condition.

Budd

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You did not read my original post or did not pay attention to it. I
specifically requested that 2 pound diet issues be put asside - because it
inflames such passion - and that someone bring up ANY other piece of

medical

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information/advice that he has given out here that is factually incorrect.

I wasn't questioning ANYTHING about his '
two pound diet' .. specifically .. just his 'take' on the ability to

'control

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cravings' .. which IS part and parcel of medical advice.

His medical advice .. was for want of a better word .. lacking .. due to the
fact he specifically mentions the REASON for 'snipping' the discussion ..

and

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the reason FOR 'snipping' .. was incorrect.

Therefore ANY information given as to medical advice NOW becomes ..

suspect..?

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Logic ..

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So the request/challenge remains.

For someone who has blinders on .. maybe ..

Who loves ya.
Tom

Again, I did not say the two pound diet specifically. I requested that ANY
issues related to the two pound diet be put aside - because it inflames
passions - and another example of factually incorrect medical advice be
provided.

You have not done that. Instead you have begun to call me names. (Which is the
reason I requested that anything related to two pound diet issues not be
discussed in response to my post.)

The request/challenge remains.

Bill

Bill

Bill , he is just a horse's ass that is trolling on this newsgroup and
apparent;y likes to post [censored] that he can't back up.

I love it when jerks make a statement like, " He is giving out bad
advice or incorrect information," and when asked for one example, they
start trying to change the subject, telling you that you should
search for something. What an imbecile.

My Kill file on this newsgroup is starting to approach the size of
the Manhattan Phonebook 🙂

Bob

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"Harold McNamara" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > In all
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and isolated individual who compensates for a feeling of failure and
emptiness with his online shenanigans.

In any case, his medical advice should be avoided, or at least
verified by one's own physician.

What qualifications do you possess to make this statement?

Phil Holman

Folks who don't sign their posts generally have zero qualifications
and are
"at best a lonely and isolated individual who compensates for a
feeling of failure and emptiness with his online shenanigans."

Hi, you don't know me, but I have a question. Why do so many people
not like you? Is it normal for people to be so mean in here?

Thank you for answering. I know doctors are busy people. :-)

Bye for now, Sandee

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Just do a google search. He's dumped so much junk here since I came here
back in April that I can't begin to remember it all. Little, if any, was
sound, heart healthy advice.

Do you have a cardiologist? If not, and you have chest pains, get one
yesterday. He's the one to get your advice from because he has the results
from your tests and knows your lifestyle. Chung, at best, could only be
taking wild guesses about your personal condition.

Budd

Hi Budd,

I have a Cardiologist and a good one too. She and I have been working together
to keep me alive since my first heart attack about 14 years ago. So far, it
seems to have worked. 🙂

I try to keep up with what is going on in the field by attending lectures
occasionally, and reading some. I came to this newsgroup a few months ago and
got a good answer, from Dr. Chung, to a question I posed. Obviously, this is
not the place to be if you are having chest pains. I think I would prefer the
ER or at least my Cardiologist's office!

However, there are still many general questions which can be asked and
answered here. (I've even answered a few involving stuff I've been through.)
Two pound diet issues aside - which I refuse to discuss because of the
emotions that immediately ensue - I believe Dr. Chung's answers have been
accurate. But I am willing to be shown to be wrong.

So again I ask that - two pound diet issues aside - can you (or anyone)
provide examples of factually incorrect medical information that Dr. Chung has
provided on this board?

Bill

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In any case, his medical advice should be avoided, or at least
verified by one's own physician.

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What qualifications do you possess to make this statement?

Phil Holman

common sense and an ability to read?

And this is equivalent to how many years of medical school? Instead of
picking lint out of your bellybutton, learn something about medicine.
You might then know enough to draw an intelligent conclusion.

Phil Holman

Budd Cochran said:

Chung is not person I would trust with my heart health. His advice is not
that good at best.

My question has always been...if Dr Chung has such a busy practice and
he is such a good cardiologist, how does he have so much time to spend
in front of a computer arguing with strangers about whether or not he
is a good doctor? I would hate to think that *any* doctor of mine
spent so much time *playing* on the computer. Doesn't he have
something better to do like reading the latest journals on cardiology?
JMO.

Dana

"The leading cause of death among fashion models is
falling through street grates." ~Dave Barry~

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> In any case, his medical advice should be avoided, or at least
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What qualifications do you possess to make this statement?

Phil Holman

common sense and an ability to read?

And this is equivalent to how many years of medical school? Instead of
picking lint out of your bellybutton, learn something about medicine.
You might then know enough to draw an intelligent conclusion.

Phil Holman

I think for her to be claiming "common sense" is pushing the envelope
quite a bit.

Bob

On 30 Aug 2003 22:48:16 -0700, [email hidden] (Dr. Andrew B.

Chung said:

[email hidden] (Harold McNamara) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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for someone who claims to be a PFD you sure don't know how to read.
The post was signed.

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More hissing...

The rest of Dr Dung's hissing snipped.

Budd Cochran said:

Just do a google search. He's dumped so much junk here since I came here
back in April that I can't begin to remember it all. Little, if any, was
sound, heart healthy advice.

Do you have a cardiologist? If not, and you have chest pains, get one
yesterday. He's the one to get your advice from because he has the results
from your tests and knows your lifestyle. Chung, at best, could only be
taking wild guesses about your personal condition.

Budd

chung has claimed in the past that all he needs to do is review your
case via the net and that constitutes all the so called proper case
history he needs to treat and prescribe and subsequently bill for your
heart problems.

Dr Dung discussions are off topic every except sci.med.cardiology

No, Bill, I can't because I've never seen anything from him worth
remembering or safe for me as a heart patient. OK?

If you want more than that do the search.

Budd

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"Budd Cochran" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Just do a google search. He's dumped so much junk here since I came here
back in April that I can't begin to remember it all. Little, if any, was
sound, heart healthy advice.

Do you have a cardiologist? If not, and you have chest pains, get one
yesterday. He's the one to get your advice from because he has the

results

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from your tests and knows your lifestyle. Chung, at best, could only be
taking wild guesses about your personal condition.

Budd

Hi Budd,

I have a Cardiologist and a good one too. She and I have been working

together

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to keep me alive since my first heart attack about 14 years ago. So far,

it

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seems to have worked. 🙂

I try to keep up with what is going on in the field by attending lectures
occasionally, and reading some. I came to this newsgroup a few months ago

and

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got a good answer, from Dr. Chung, to a question I posed. Obviously, this

is

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not the place to be if you are having chest pains. I think I would prefer

the

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ER or at least my Cardiologist's office!

However, there are still many general questions which can be asked and
answered here. (I've even answered a few involving stuff I've been

through.)

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Two pound diet issues aside - which I refuse to discuss because of the
emotions that immediately ensue - I believe Dr. Chung's answers have been
accurate. But I am willing to be shown to be wrong.

So again I ask that - two pound diet issues aside - can you (or anyone)
provide examples of factually incorrect medical information that Dr. Chung

has

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provided on this board?

Bill

Good morning Bob,
On 31-Aug-2003, Bob Cardone <cardone1!@!mindspring.com> wrote:

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Anyone can assign any name to a Hotmail Account..

Carmen said:

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True. But then again anyone can assign a name to *any* ISP account
too. There's no guarantee that your name is Bob Cardone, nor is there
any
guarantee that my ISP email (chthomp AT bellsouth DOT net) has any
relation to my name either. The only one of my email addresses that
I can't change my name on is my AKO email address that ends in AT us
DOT army DOT mil (Army one through my husband - he's an active duty
soldier).

Bob said:

Well, if you realize that , then why did your statement that really
means nothing. ? Here is your sentence that I was replying to.

<Carmen's earlier statement>

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Point of order: Harold McNamara *did* have his name on his post (see
above in the attributions).

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This Harold whatever his name is, could have signed it Abraham
Lincoln, or Bob Hope or anything. So it indicates nothing, as far as
the persons identity. People that want to hide their real identity for
one reason or another , go to places like Hotmail and can get many
Email addresses. You and this Harold person may be the same person for
all we know.

Carmen wrote:
I was trying to be subtle, but it didn't work. I was trying to gently
point out that the original statement (that people with no
qualifications don't sign their posts) doesn't hold any water, because
there's no guarantee that *anybody* is who they say they are - you, me,
*or* Dr. Andrew Chung. "Dr. Andrew B. Chung" exists, but there's no
guarantee that the person who posts here is him, any more than the
person who posted as "Harold McNamara" is really a Harold McNamara, or
the person who posts as "Bob Cardone" is really a Bob Cardone.
To ascribe any higher validity to identities that post from one ISP or
Web based email system than any other is pointless.

"Harold Mc Namara" used a Hotmail address, but a cursory glance at his
headers shows that he posted from Cinema Internet Network, Inc.
"Carmen" posts from a Hotmail address, but a glance at my headers will
show that I post from a BellSouth account.
"Dr. Andrew Chung" posts from a Google account, but his headers show he
too posts from BellSouth.
The person who posts as "Mu" also posts from BellSouth according to the
header information.

If you have children you may remember the old Sesame Street song "One of
these things is not like the others".
"Harold McNamara" is the only one of the above group who doesn't post
from BellSouth. The likelihood that Harold and I are the same person is
quite slim. A much higher possibility exists that I am Chung, or Mu, or
both. I'm neither one of those two gentlemen however - but I *could*
be.
Can you see now how pointless discounting any one poster's ID is, when
the fact is that *nobody's* ID is certain?

Take care,
Carmen

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IMHO,

TROLL.

Mack said:

you forgot to mention that we now refer to him as Dr Dung.

No, you refer to him as that when you are not faking my posts, Mack
The Troll.

I have posted this to your home newsgroup ASD so your "crowd" can be
oh so proud of you. I would hate for you to hang out and TROLL
Chung all day long without your buddies knowing about it.

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Please do not cross post anything to sci.med.cardiology and this
newsgroup.

Up yours, TROLL.

Mack said:

Dr Dung's advice to diabetics on how to reduce meds both oral and
insulin on his diet quackery website.

Mack is a troll from alt.support.diabetes.

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"Harold McNamara" is the only one of the above group who doesn't post
from BellSouth. The likelihood that Harold and I are the same person is
quite slim. A much higher possibility exists that I am Chung,

I doubt that is a much higher possibility.

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or Mu,

MUCH lower possibility.

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or
both.

No possibility whatsoever.

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I'm neither one of those two gentlemen however - but I *could*
be.

You could also be a cat but you would have a better chance of being
Mu.

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chung has claimed in the past that all he needs to do is review your
case via the net and that constitutes all the so called proper case
history he needs to treat and prescribe and subsequently bill for your
heart problems.

Dr Dung discussions are off topic every except sci.med.cardiology

Mack is a troll from alt.support.diabtetes who sneaks over to scm to
do his business.

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An individual who purports to be a board-certified cardiologist with
an international reputation has been regularly posting to this and
other health-oriented newsgroups over the last several years. The
posts have been under the name Andrew Chung, with an originating
domain of heartmdphd.com and (before that), emory.edu.

Other names that this individual has apparently used include Michael
Roose and "MU".

The posts have the following characteristics:

1. They dispense medical advice on heart disease, diabetes, and
weight-loss.
2. They are often off-topic, and are cross-posted freely.
3. They frequently contain threats of legal action for "libel",
usually when someone else disagrees with Chung's views.

There is an Andrew Chung who resides in the Atlanta area, living in a
rather seedy suburb of Atlanta. This indiviudal is unaffiliated with
any hospitals in the area, making it extremely unlikely that he has an
active medical practice.

There is also a Web site, www.heartmdphd.com, that contains a great
deal of self-serving information concerning Andrew Chung, and also
features a so-called cyberstalking section that hosts insults directed
at those who have criticized Chung's on-line articles hyping his
"two-pound" diet and other recommended treatments.

In all likelihood Dr. Chung is at worst a quack and at best a lonely
and isolated individual who compensates for a feeling of failure and
emptiness with his online shenanigans.

In any case, his medical advice should be avoided, or at least
verified by one's own physician.

Looks good to me:

http://www.ama-assn.org/iwcf/iwcfmgr206/SESSION_ID=1917642/SESSION_AR=56/frm_name=aps_result?action_detail.x=hello&row=0&key=0&amap=N&form_type=r&mem=N

And if that doesn't get you there, go to the American Medical
Association's website and search under his name. I'm a newbie to this
group, and to computers too, still I was able to find out Dr. Chung is
'real' with more than basic creds.

MFG (Janey Canuck)