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"Sparhawk" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 14:30:30 -0500, "Danny Callen" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Sparhawk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:25:10 -0500, "Danny Callen" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"TritonRider" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[email protected]...
> >> >> >From: "Ken Papai" [email protected]
> >> >>
> >> >> >So how does a cheap, lousy cat. III, without that much extra time on their hands measure
> >> >> >their power without going through a lot of trouble?
> >> >>
> >> >> The way they always have. Cat 3s are not elite racers. The young
ones
> >may
> >> >be on
> >> >> the way, but they are not there yet. Let's face it, the ones who are going to go Cat1/Pro
> >> >> have displayed
it
> >> >earlier
> >> >> and have been guided to a whole new level of testing, regimentation,
> >and
> >> >> training. My take was that this was targeted to Cat1/Pro riders. Andy would
> >have
> >> >to
> >> >> fill us in on this. We are getting into the Masters/Wannabe/Neverwas debate now. It is
> >> >possible to
> >> >> upgrade through sustained effort and picking your races. The people
who
> >> >are
> >> >> going to the top are indicated, and supported fairly young. They are
> >the
> >> >ones
> >> >> who get the support and equipment Andy is talking about. Your average 30 year old cat 3 is
> >> >> SOL. Bill C
> >> >
> >> >Did you do too many shots of tequilla today Bill? I can measure power
> >just
> >> >fine for less than $500. I bought a Polar S710 for $200 from ubid.com
and
> >> >then the power Option for $250 from ebay. You just need to look for
> >deals.
> >> >Power is not for the elite. It's as simple as measuring HR and as Andy
> >says
> >> >is not susceptible to "conditions". If the average 30 year old Cat 3
can
> >not
> >> >afford that maybe they're spending too much time on their bike trying
to
> >be
> >> >a wannabe and not enough time on a career??
> >> >
> >> >Danny Callen
> >>
> >> Measuring power is great but what do you compare it to, where is the data? The data bank?
> >>
> >> There just doesn't seem to be anyway to make an assessment based on power data because there
> >> isn't any.
> >>
> >> How does a Cat 1/2/3 racer know where he is in comparison to others in the same category?
> >>
> >> Or is power data so highly personal that it is worthless?
> >>
> >> Sparhawk
> >>
> >
> >You can do a Conconi test or step test on a trainer; comparisons are
fairly
> >well documented in Joe Friel's "Training Bible". It is more important
that
> >you use the power numbers to train your own strengths and weaknesses and track your progress..
> >
>
> I know my numbers and I record them daily from my Computrainer but I have no idea what your
> numbers are or what mine should be.
>
> Sure I can track my improvement in a number but the number has no meaning unless it is compared
> against a standard.
>
> Joe Friel's book does not establish any power standard.
>
> We may as well use speed, cadence or heart rate to track improvement as power in it's present form
> doesn't mean anything.
>
> The Polar power add-on is a $300 rip off as are all the other power gimmicks.
>
>
> Sparhawk
>
>
> >Danny Callen
> >
>
Joe Friel's book clearly states benchmarks for Conconi and Max Power testing. It's clearly written
in the "Testing" portion of the book. (I would cite the page but I don't have the book with me).
Anyway, Watts/kg is a pretty black and white scenario. You should probably read the wattage forum
to learn more about power training; but since you think it's all a waste; I assume you'll just be
wasting your time..
Danny Callen
> On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 14:30:30 -0500, "Danny Callen" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Sparhawk" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:25:10 -0500, "Danny Callen" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"TritonRider" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[email protected]...
> >> >> >From: "Ken Papai" [email protected]
> >> >>
> >> >> >So how does a cheap, lousy cat. III, without that much extra time on their hands measure
> >> >> >their power without going through a lot of trouble?
> >> >>
> >> >> The way they always have. Cat 3s are not elite racers. The young
ones
> >may
> >> >be on
> >> >> the way, but they are not there yet. Let's face it, the ones who are going to go Cat1/Pro
> >> >> have displayed
it
> >> >earlier
> >> >> and have been guided to a whole new level of testing, regimentation,
> >and
> >> >> training. My take was that this was targeted to Cat1/Pro riders. Andy would
> >have
> >> >to
> >> >> fill us in on this. We are getting into the Masters/Wannabe/Neverwas debate now. It is
> >> >possible to
> >> >> upgrade through sustained effort and picking your races. The people
who
> >> >are
> >> >> going to the top are indicated, and supported fairly young. They are
> >the
> >> >ones
> >> >> who get the support and equipment Andy is talking about. Your average 30 year old cat 3 is
> >> >> SOL. Bill C
> >> >
> >> >Did you do too many shots of tequilla today Bill? I can measure power
> >just
> >> >fine for less than $500. I bought a Polar S710 for $200 from ubid.com
and
> >> >then the power Option for $250 from ebay. You just need to look for
> >deals.
> >> >Power is not for the elite. It's as simple as measuring HR and as Andy
> >says
> >> >is not susceptible to "conditions". If the average 30 year old Cat 3
can
> >not
> >> >afford that maybe they're spending too much time on their bike trying
to
> >be
> >> >a wannabe and not enough time on a career??
> >> >
> >> >Danny Callen
> >>
> >> Measuring power is great but what do you compare it to, where is the data? The data bank?
> >>
> >> There just doesn't seem to be anyway to make an assessment based on power data because there
> >> isn't any.
> >>
> >> How does a Cat 1/2/3 racer know where he is in comparison to others in the same category?
> >>
> >> Or is power data so highly personal that it is worthless?
> >>
> >> Sparhawk
> >>
> >
> >You can do a Conconi test or step test on a trainer; comparisons are
fairly
> >well documented in Joe Friel's "Training Bible". It is more important
that
> >you use the power numbers to train your own strengths and weaknesses and track your progress..
> >
>
> I know my numbers and I record them daily from my Computrainer but I have no idea what your
> numbers are or what mine should be.
>
> Sure I can track my improvement in a number but the number has no meaning unless it is compared
> against a standard.
>
> Joe Friel's book does not establish any power standard.
>
> We may as well use speed, cadence or heart rate to track improvement as power in it's present form
> doesn't mean anything.
>
> The Polar power add-on is a $300 rip off as are all the other power gimmicks.
>
>
> Sparhawk
>
>
> >Danny Callen
> >
>
Joe Friel's book clearly states benchmarks for Conconi and Max Power testing. It's clearly written
in the "Testing" portion of the book. (I would cite the page but I don't have the book with me).
Anyway, Watts/kg is a pretty black and white scenario. You should probably read the wattage forum
to learn more about power training; but since you think it's all a waste; I assume you'll just be
wasting your time..
Danny Callen