I saw some sweat. I also saw a smile, but that could have been because Carlos was putting in the damage and they were making Cadel actually work from the front for a change.greg52 said:it's so obvious. Every mountain stage he is riding calmly at the front. Every attack today he countered. He looks like he isn't even breaking a sweat.
I would say he is as blatant as Contador.
That would have been too obvious, Riis is a smarter man than Gianettiserpico7 said:If Andy was in contention, I think he could have gone with Sastre. Extremely strong the last few days, and you know what that usually means.
greg52 said:it's so obvious. Every mountain stage he is riding calmly at the front. Every attack today he countered. He looks like he isn't even breaking a sweat.
I would say he is as blatant as Contador.
i thinks so to.Lonnie Utah said:Maybe he's just that good.
From next year, I think Frank will ride for Andy in the grand tours, and vice-versa in the Ardennes and Lombardy.serpico7 said:Frank's future is to be Andy's water boy.
interested said:Contador "won" last year, Andy is placed 12. in the GC 10.15 minutes after Sastre. So if he is juiced like Contador is then he should complain to his dope dealer.
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Hmm. You defend Damsgaards AD programm, but he must have failed if you claim Contador is doping, since he does the testing for Astana now too, and Contador did win the Giro???interested said:Contador "won" last year, Andy is placed 12. in the GC 10.15 minutes after Sastre. So if he is juiced like Contador is then he should complain to his dope dealer.
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I have been concerned to see the domination too.Aquamarinos said:Hmm. You defend Damsgaards AD programm, but he must have failed if you claim Contador is doping, since he does the testing for Astana now too, and Contador did win the Giro???
Raises serious clouds over CSC's performance in this Tour, very much USP/Disco like......
Saunier Duval-Scott also had a dominant team..hawkeye87 said:I have been concerned to see the domination too.
Sure, they have strong riders, but so do other teams.
Remember when Paris-Nice was going on and the discussion centered around the fact that no one team was dominating. The guess (or hope) was that perhaps it was a sign of less doping since you did not see a team rule the pelaton.
I see teams like Gerolsteiner seeming to be pretty good when they've always been kind of also-rans. Then, CSC seems to have endless energy and has 3-4 men up to the critical points of the race. Arveson did drop off eventually and he is regarded as a clean rider but the rest of them stuck it out.
For CSC to have 3 guys in the end, when all the other GC contenders are down to themselves is suspicious and I have always liked the team.
hawkeye87 said:I have been concerned to see the domination too.
Sure, they have strong riders, but so do other teams.
Remember when Paris-Nice was going on and the discussion centered around the fact that no one team was dominating. The guess (or hope) was that perhaps it was a sign of less doping since you did not see a team rule the pelaton.
I see teams like Gerolsteiner seeming to be pretty good when they've always been kind of also-rans. Then, CSC seems to have endless energy and has 3-4 men up to the critical points of the race. Arveson did drop off eventually and he is regarded as a clean rider but the rest of them stuck it out.
For CSC to have 3 guys in the end, when all the other GC contenders are down to themselves is suspicious and I have always liked the team.
Aquamarinos said:Hmm. You defend Damsgaards AD programm, but he must have failed if you claim Contador is doping, since he does the testing for Astana now too, and Contador did win the Giro???
Raises serious clouds over CSC's performance in this Tour, very much USP/Disco like......
That is interesting. Are you sure about this? I (and maybe some others) was under the impression that Damsgaard runs the same (or similar) program for Astana as they do for CSC.interested said:Regarding Damsgaards program for Astana, then please remember he has only given them a plan and a single speech, he doesn't run the Astana AD program at all. Since Astana gives no details on how the program is run, or which lab are performing the tests we might as well assume that it is a sham.
TheDarkLord said:That is interesting. Are you sure about this? I (and maybe some others) was under the impression that Damsgaard runs the same (or similar) program for Astana as they do for CSC.
I thought he volunteered to give a blood sample to put the OP mess behind him? Did he change his mind?interested said:The evidence against him is pile high, including refusing to get a DNA test to prove that some blood bags doesn't belong to him. But all this is way prior to Astana's alledged doping program that started in 2008.
That was just a smoke screen. He offered to give his DNA when he knew that there was no such plan. When the Spanish authorities later announced the plans to allow riders to clear themselves by offering DNA, our man didn't do anything. But then under JB's tutelage, what else would you expect?serpico7 said:I thought he volunteered to give a blood sample to put the OP mess behind him? Did he change his mind?
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