Another cyclist killed, another injured - hit & run :(

See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2656023.stm

"Tuesday, 14 January, 2003, 06:49 GMT Cyclist killed by hit-and-run driver

Police are hunting the driver a a Ford Focus after a cyclist was killed and another left seriously
injured in a hit-and-run accident in Leeds. The two victims were cycling along Pontefract Lane, near
the Cross Green Industrial Estate, in east Leeds at 1850GMT, Monday when the accident happened.

The car, which police say was travelling from the Newsam Green end of Pontefract Lane towards East
End Park, collided with the men close to the junction with New Market Lane.

One of the riders, a 55-year-old man, died as a result of the collision while the other, a
47-year-old sustained serious injuries.

The car, a Ford Focus, was driven away and later found abandoned in O-Grady Square, in the Richmond
Hill area of the city.

Police are appealing for any witnesses to contact Killingbeck Police Station."

According to the West Yorkshire Police website, the number 0845 6060606 can be used to get connected
to a local station - and of course, there's always Crimestoppers on 0800 555 111

Hoping the person is caught... helen s

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wafflycathcsdirtycatlitter wrote:

> The two victims were cycling along Pontefract Lane, near the Cross Green Industrial Estate, in
> east Leeds at 1850GMT, Monday when the accident happened.

Except it wasn't an accident, was it? A crash can be an accident (although it usually isn't), hit
and run is definitely a crime. Where are the bolt croppers? It's time to CUT THEIR GOOLIES OFF!

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In news:[email protected], Just zis Guy, you know?
<[email protected]> typed:
> wafflycathcsdirtycatlitter wrote:
>
>> The two victims were cycling along Pontefract Lane, near the Cross Green Industrial Estate, in
>> east Leeds at 1850GMT, Monday when the accident happened.
>
> Except it wasn't an accident, was it? A crash can be an accident (although it usually isn't), hit
> and run is definitely a crime.

This unfortunately happens quite often in some urban areas; I remember just a few months ago a
similar incident in Hantspol (Hampshire) area (the offenders were all caught)

I have also been told (when I lived in a rough part of London) that it was not uncommon for local
firms to take out rivals by *running them over* Motorcars are of course far easier to obtain than
guns, an old jalopy is cheaper than a pistol and raises less eyebrows if it is seen before the deed.
And if the ped who is run over is a drug user, its easier to convince the Coroner they may have
"just run into the road".

There is of course the other common incident outside nightclubs where cars are deliberately driven
at the door staff or other punters as a reprisal for being refused entry by the door staff (or a
follow-up attack for fights that have occured inside) - this also happens at private parties,
incidents like the one Guys legal eagle friend had to deal with.

this shows that not only do some cagers *realise* their car is a lethal weapon, they are prepared to
*use it as such*.

I think things are slowly starting to change in some areas; if you read cops press releases the
Traffic divisions often mention that when they set up checkpoints on roads they find people they
catch driving badly tend to have committed other crimes, and very often the more violent and
predatory ones. This finding is understandable, given a lot of motorists seem to believe in
"survival of the fittest" on the roads.

Incidentally I think when coppers are trained that *every* officer who wants to specialise in
Traffic should be *obliged* to ride a pedal cycle as part of their training. I bet the offending
and collision rate (and even the amount of polaccs, where coppers prang their panda cars) may
soon decrease!

Alex

 

On Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:35:08 -0000, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote:

>wafflycathcsdirtycatlitter wrote:
>
>> The two victims were cycling along Pontefract Lane, near the Cross Green Industrial Estate, in
>> east Leeds at 1850GMT, Monday when the accident happened.
>
>Except it wasn't an accident, was it? A crash can be an accident (although it usually isn't), hit
>and run is definitely a crime.

The initial collision could have been an accident. We do not know, we weren't there. The subsequent
"failure to stop" as hit and run is called I believe, is of course a crime.

Encouragingly, here in West Sussex, the info signs the police put up after a fatal crash no longer
say ACCIDENT, they say CRASH.

> Where are the bolt croppers? It's time to CUT THEIR GOOLIES OFF!

This, unfortunately, doesn't stop people driving. However, anecdote (our well loved tool) suggests
there may be a link between testosterone and agressive driving.

Tim
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> writes:
> wafflycathcsdirtycatlitter wrote:
>
> > The two victims were cycling along Pontefract Lane, near the Cross Green Industrial Estate, in
> > east Leeds at 1850GMT, Monday when the accident happened.
>
> Except it wasn't an accident, was it? A crash can be an accident (although it usually isn't), hit
> and run is definitely a crime.

The running bit is a deliberate crime, but the hit might be as accidental as any other crash.

 

>Except it wasn't an accident, was it? A crash can be an accident (although it usually isn't), hit
>and run is definitely a crime. Where are the bolt croppers? It's time to CUT THEIR GOOLIES OFF!
>

Guy - don't forget - it's socially acceptable to kill using a car in the UK

helen s

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wafflycathcsdirtycatlitter wrote:

> Guy - don't forget - it's socially acceptable to kill using a car in the UK

Yes - and I aim to make it socially acceptable to CUT THEIR GOOLIES OFF when they do

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about it perhaps you could think when we talk of bicycles, that you see them printing their proud
wheels i' the receiving earth; thanks awfully.

 

wafflycathcsdirtycatlitter wrote:
>> Incidentally I think when coppers are trained that *every* officer who wants to specialise in
>> Traffic should be *obliged* to ride a pedal cycle as part of their training.

> Now that is a good idea. They should be pedal everywhere for 6 months minimum...

Alex & I both know a PC Stratton of Caversham whose official vehicle is a bike. I'm a big fan of
bikes for police - it's a human-scale mode of transport, gets you around, but slow enough that you
can see the details and can wave a cheery good morning to folks as you pass - perfect community
policing stuff.

I'm pretty sure it was PC Stratton I saw on a police bike recently - a newish looking thing,
mountain bike based. I've also seen a tallish woodentop on a bike - looked about 8 ft tall! Scared
the bejasus out of me, and I wasn't doing anything wrong

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about it perhaps you could think when we talk of bicycles, that you see them printing their proud
wheels i' the receiving earth; thanks awfully.

 

wafflycathcsdirtycatlitter scribed after much navel searching:

>
> Now that is a good idea. They should be pedal everywhere for 6 months minimum...

EVERY potential driver should be obliged to spend at least six months either on a bicycle or
motorcycle.......

 

wafflycathcsdirtycatlitter wrote:

> >Except it wasn't an accident, was it? A crash can be an accident (although it usually isn't), hit
> >and run is definitely a crime. Where are the bolt croppers? It's time to CUT THEIR GOOLIES OFF!
> >
>
> Guy - don't forget - it's socially acceptable to kill using a car in the UK
>

To be fair, that's true only if you say "sorry" afterwards; ...or are a grandmother; ...or need the
car to take the children to school.

John Buckley

 

In article <[email protected]>, one of infinite monkeys at the keyboard of
"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>As it is I live near the dangerous corner where the 4x4s double- park to deliver Tarquin and
>>Felicity to a much posher school,
>
> OI! Watch it! My better half is called Felicity

Shut up, you whingeing wannabe-toff!

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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote: ( > Guy - don't forget - it's socially
acceptable to kill using a car in ) > the UK ( Yes - and I aim to make it socially acceptable to
CUT THEIR GOOLIES OFF when ) they do

What about women drivers? Would you CUT THEIR GOOLIES OFF too?

 

John B <[email protected]> wrote: ( To be fair, that's true only if you ... ) ...or need
the car to take the children to school.

One of the primary schools in North Oxford is being moved to a site in the "posh housing" for London
commuters, between the canal and the railway. The obvious access to it (other than up the canal) is
over a narrow canal bridge that with the best will in the world can only be described as one car
wide. I was entertained to see that the bridge is closed to motor vehicles by rising bollards for
the periods of the morning school delivery and the afternoon school collection.

Ah, the reason I was entertained is that the bridge is from a junction with a mini-roundabout on it
where one of the other roads is closed by permanent bollards, except to cycles, and the other two
roads are effectively reduced to a single lane by staggered parking bays and chicanes. If I had the
energy I would go up there to watch.

As it is I live near the dangerous corner where the 4x4s double- park to deliver Tarquin and
Felicity to a much posher school, and so know better than to try to go to work before half past
eight or home in the middle of the afternoon.

 

"wafflycathcsdirtycatlitter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> >wafflycathcsdirtycatlitter scribed after much navel searching:
>
> My god, there's a webcam hidden in the office! Must tell Vernon he really should stop wearing
> women's clothes in the office - someone might see...
>
> >EVERY potential driver should be obliged to spend at least six months either on a bicycle or
> >motorcycle.......
>
> I don't have a problem with that. Seems reasonable to me.
>
> Cheers, helen s
>
I put forward a proposal several months ago that around 10 yrs after passing one's driving test, one
should have 6 months where the only available form of transport is cycle / foot (given one is
generally healthy). I found it to be of great benefit, following 23 years of driving (hands up, 6
months ban following successive speeding offences under totting up procedure<blush>). It reminded me
just how scary it is to be beside great lumps of metal moving at ridiculous speeds, how healthy
walking / riding can be (the furthest I'd walked for years was once round the supermarket, once a
week!!) and the fact that cycling isn't as 'bad' as memory would have me believe. I now choose
cycling as my primary transport option and drive a lot more considerately. I sent a copy to the
local press who printed it. Unfortunately the only response was a letter decrying me as a social
engineering nazi!!! - bit over the top I thought, Dave.

 

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote: ( > Guy - don't forget - it's socially
> acceptable to kill using a car in ) > the UK ( Yes - and I aim to make it socially acceptable
> to CUT THEIR GOOLIES OFF when ) they do
>
> What about women drivers? Would you CUT THEIR GOOLIES OFF too?

Yes, after first sewing some on with a blunt rusty needle!

Mr Reasonable

 

On 14 Jan 2003 17:15:23 -0000, [email protected] (Geraint Jones) wrote:

>As it is I live near the dangerous corner where the 4x4s double- park to deliver Tarquin and
>Felicity to a much posher school,

OI! Watch it! My better half is called Felicity and she was born in Derby

Guy
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Colin Blackburn wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says..
>>
>>What about women drivers? Would you CUT THEIR GOOLIES OFF too?
>
>
> Yes, after first sewing some on with a blunt rusty needle!
>
> Mr Reasonable
>

All extremists should be taken out and shot.

Daniel.

 

"Daniel Wilcox" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> Colin Blackburn wrote:
> > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected] says..
> >>
> >>What about women drivers? Would you CUT THEIR GOOLIES OFF too?
> >
> >
> > Yes, after first sewing some on with a blunt rusty needle!
> >
> > Mr Reasonable
> >
>
> All extremists should be taken out and shot.

Much to good for them!!

 

Daniel Wilcox <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
> All extremists should be taken out and shot.
>
> Daniel.

That's a bit extreme

Tony ;-)

 

Nick Kew wrote:

> Shut up, you whingeing wannabe-toff!

Curses, discovered!

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I wonder if you wouldn't mind piecing out our imperfections with your thoughts; and while you're
about it perhaps you could think when we talk of bicycles, that you see them printing their proud
wheels i' the receiving earth; thanks awfully.