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Pete Biggs
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Mads Hilberg wrote:
>> Because they're commonly available and cheap, and robust. They're especially good in hilly towns
>> as well.
>
> And why do you think they're commonly available?
Partly (if not largely) because people like them. I do not accept that it's all marketing. At the
very least, they're a big, big improvement on what most people went about on before in the UK.
> Or more to the point why do you think hybrids as I describe are so widely available on the
> continent but not in the UK?
One reason they're more popular in certain countries is because it's flatter there. It's also a
cultural thing!!
> I agree that in hilly towns you need many gears, but a hybrid with 21-27 gears works just as well
> if not better for most people who ride only short distances and rarely go off road.
I'm not particularly knocking those sort of hybrids, I'm merely sticking up for MTB's and those
who choose them - I borrow one sometimes and might even get one myself. I think mountain bikes
are practical bikes for casual and short-distance general road use, and it doesn't matter if they
have more or lower gears and wider tyres than strictly needed. Much better that way round than
the opposite.
>> Not that much. Bolt upright can be uncomfortable (and inefficient) for many people.
>
> Hybrids aren't bolt upright (except maybe a Pedersen bike, but that's quite a rare design and not
> really a hybrid). Exaggeration to the point of inaccuracy doesn't enlighten anyone.
No, but it illustrates the fact that more upright doesn't necessarily mean more comfortable
for everyone.
>> Not really - although more than hub-geared bikes - but at least the maintenance is easy to do
>> when it is required.
>
> Most people don't find it easy (although you and I and most of the regulars on this newsgroup
> probably do).
The maintenance is *relatively* easy for anyone compared to maintaining a bike with hub gears -
WHEN/IF it does eventually need any.
> Clearly you've never bought a hybrid with hub gears, ridden it for over 4 years and never had to
> do anything other than oil the chain.
I do accept that these bikes usually need very little maintenance (and it's a plus point I
mentioned), but even changing a rear tyre or inner tube is a bloody nightmare!!
By the way, at one time, the sole bike I owned was a Sturmey Archer 3-speed roadster; I've also
bought, fixed up, and sold all sorts of used ordinary bikes in my time; and I now occasionally help
look after relatives' bikes with Nexus hub gears - so I do have relevant experience.
>> Wide tyres are great for casual and town use as they provide a comfortable ride and soak-up the
>> potholes.
>
> They're pointlessly inefficient.
I disagree. The point is comfort and rim protection. The efficiency difference is minimal (or even
debatable) - especially when non-very-knobbly versions are used.
>> Not if you tuck trousers into socks!
>
> This is essentially an admission of the impracticality of an MTB.
One tiny thing like that does not make an MTB impractical. I still like to tuck trousers in socks
anyway (when not using cycling clothes) - more aero, apart from anything else!
>> Chain guards are a big nuisance when they get bent or knocked out of position, and make
>> maintenance more awkward.
>
> I think most people who cycle very little don't do maintenance themselves anyway.
That's a fair point - except it's a shame when they can't even fix a puncture because the bikes are
so (relatively) difficult to work on. Also, many MTB owners also get a shop to fix everything.
> And they're not likely to damage their chain guard just cycling on normal roads.
They often come loose or out of place on their own due to road bumps and poor design & assembly.
Clank clank clank!
~PB
>> Because they're commonly available and cheap, and robust. They're especially good in hilly towns
>> as well.
>
> And why do you think they're commonly available?
Partly (if not largely) because people like them. I do not accept that it's all marketing. At the
very least, they're a big, big improvement on what most people went about on before in the UK.
> Or more to the point why do you think hybrids as I describe are so widely available on the
> continent but not in the UK?
One reason they're more popular in certain countries is because it's flatter there. It's also a
cultural thing!!
> I agree that in hilly towns you need many gears, but a hybrid with 21-27 gears works just as well
> if not better for most people who ride only short distances and rarely go off road.
I'm not particularly knocking those sort of hybrids, I'm merely sticking up for MTB's and those
who choose them - I borrow one sometimes and might even get one myself. I think mountain bikes
are practical bikes for casual and short-distance general road use, and it doesn't matter if they
have more or lower gears and wider tyres than strictly needed. Much better that way round than
the opposite.
>> Not that much. Bolt upright can be uncomfortable (and inefficient) for many people.
>
> Hybrids aren't bolt upright (except maybe a Pedersen bike, but that's quite a rare design and not
> really a hybrid). Exaggeration to the point of inaccuracy doesn't enlighten anyone.
No, but it illustrates the fact that more upright doesn't necessarily mean more comfortable
for everyone.
>> Not really - although more than hub-geared bikes - but at least the maintenance is easy to do
>> when it is required.
>
> Most people don't find it easy (although you and I and most of the regulars on this newsgroup
> probably do).
The maintenance is *relatively* easy for anyone compared to maintaining a bike with hub gears -
WHEN/IF it does eventually need any.
> Clearly you've never bought a hybrid with hub gears, ridden it for over 4 years and never had to
> do anything other than oil the chain.
I do accept that these bikes usually need very little maintenance (and it's a plus point I
mentioned), but even changing a rear tyre or inner tube is a bloody nightmare!!
By the way, at one time, the sole bike I owned was a Sturmey Archer 3-speed roadster; I've also
bought, fixed up, and sold all sorts of used ordinary bikes in my time; and I now occasionally help
look after relatives' bikes with Nexus hub gears - so I do have relevant experience.
>> Wide tyres are great for casual and town use as they provide a comfortable ride and soak-up the
>> potholes.
>
> They're pointlessly inefficient.
I disagree. The point is comfort and rim protection. The efficiency difference is minimal (or even
debatable) - especially when non-very-knobbly versions are used.
>> Not if you tuck trousers into socks!
>
> This is essentially an admission of the impracticality of an MTB.
One tiny thing like that does not make an MTB impractical. I still like to tuck trousers in socks
anyway (when not using cycling clothes) - more aero, apart from anything else!
>> Chain guards are a big nuisance when they get bent or knocked out of position, and make
>> maintenance more awkward.
>
> I think most people who cycle very little don't do maintenance themselves anyway.
That's a fair point - except it's a shame when they can't even fix a puncture because the bikes are
so (relatively) difficult to work on. Also, many MTB owners also get a shop to fix everything.
> And they're not likely to damage their chain guard just cycling on normal roads.
They often come loose or out of place on their own due to road bumps and poor design & assembly.
Clank clank clank!
~PB