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Pete Biggs
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Peter Clinch wrote:
>> Exluding full sus and the very worst cheapo examples, even with knobbly tyres, a typical modern
>> inexpensive MTB rides nicely on the roads, in my experience.
>
> It depends how you define "nice".
I define it as making a grin appear on the rider's face and making them say "ooh, that's nice!". I
found my brother's bog standard MTB rode much nicer (more comfortable and quicker, smoother) than my
Raleigh Royal tourer. This experience helped encourage me to upgrade the old tourer - but it still
doesn't seem to ride as "nice". (I've got to do some more tweaking!).
>> Racks and mudguards can be fitted to MTB's to make them practical.
>
> As with tyres, "can be" is moot when "aren't" is what happens in practice AFAICT. I'm on about
> what actually happens judging by the majority of bikes I see, not what can happen.
Fair point - although job is easy and /some/ people do fit them. Manuf's and bike shops certainly
should fit more racks & guards before the bikes are even put in the show room and sell them as
"standard".
>> I'm sure a great many people (in towns at least) aren't concerned about looking sporty as such
>> and don't buy bikes just to make themselves look better. That's not to say the *image* of certain
>> types of bikes does put them off - but the general image is "bad" partly becasue it's well known
>> that the bikes are genuinely inferior in some ways (as detailed in my previous post) and they
>> don't want to be seen on a naff bike, rather than actively wanting to look sporty.
>
> The sort of bike Mads is suggesting is, as I detailed in my reply to that previous post, very far
> from being "inferior" for typical urban use. I'd say that avoiding a bad image where it's
> unjustified and buying into a good one that's irrelevant are effectively the same, and basically
> daft at that.
The bikes are genuinely inferior in /some/ ways for typical urban use. People are not totally daft.
~PB
>> Exluding full sus and the very worst cheapo examples, even with knobbly tyres, a typical modern
>> inexpensive MTB rides nicely on the roads, in my experience.
>
> It depends how you define "nice".
I define it as making a grin appear on the rider's face and making them say "ooh, that's nice!". I
found my brother's bog standard MTB rode much nicer (more comfortable and quicker, smoother) than my
Raleigh Royal tourer. This experience helped encourage me to upgrade the old tourer - but it still
doesn't seem to ride as "nice". (I've got to do some more tweaking!).
>> Racks and mudguards can be fitted to MTB's to make them practical.
>
> As with tyres, "can be" is moot when "aren't" is what happens in practice AFAICT. I'm on about
> what actually happens judging by the majority of bikes I see, not what can happen.
Fair point - although job is easy and /some/ people do fit them. Manuf's and bike shops certainly
should fit more racks & guards before the bikes are even put in the show room and sell them as
"standard".
>> I'm sure a great many people (in towns at least) aren't concerned about looking sporty as such
>> and don't buy bikes just to make themselves look better. That's not to say the *image* of certain
>> types of bikes does put them off - but the general image is "bad" partly becasue it's well known
>> that the bikes are genuinely inferior in some ways (as detailed in my previous post) and they
>> don't want to be seen on a naff bike, rather than actively wanting to look sporty.
>
> The sort of bike Mads is suggesting is, as I detailed in my reply to that previous post, very far
> from being "inferior" for typical urban use. I'd say that avoiding a bad image where it's
> unjustified and buying into a good one that's irrelevant are effectively the same, and basically
> daft at that.
The bikes are genuinely inferior in /some/ ways for typical urban use. People are not totally daft.
~PB