great! thanks! i'll check out your recommendations. i tried the ride from stone mtn to kelly town that is listed on saddlebred, but it took forever to find the beginning of the route, and the road was far from scenic. i made it to lithonia, and after many rude motorists, decided to turn around. the only cool thing about the ride was the buck that ran about 100 feet from me for awhile. but i'll look up the route from stone mtn to downtown. i've ridden part of silk sheets, and i really liked that. maybe i'll do the whole ride. i love riding in cartersville, but it's so far away...so i hoped to find something similar a little closer to lilburn. thanks for the advice!!