Any vegitarians on here?!

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  1. imalightweight

    imalightweight New Member

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    I am new to the forum , im a road cyclist, im 18 and only weigh 110lbs, i am very athletic but until recently i hadnt worried much about my diet, ive been vegitarian for a couple years now and was wondering if anyones got any good advice as far as their diets go?
     
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  2. philk1

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    i am also vegitarian. need to eat fresh fruits for good diets.
     
  3. steve

    steve Administrator
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    There is no way you'll get enough protein if your vegetarian. High consumption of meat and dairy is the key to athletic performance, i'm a believer in eating food that matches the type of athlete you want to become. A fast lean cyclist should eat race horses or greyhounds only, i'm not wasting my sharp powerful canine teeth.

    What does everyone think is the perfect diet for a cyclist?
     
  4. danfoz

    danfoz Well-Known Member

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    Uh huh.
     
  5. urge2kill

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    My shopping habits are almost vegan, but I occasionally eat meat or dairy if there's not much of a choice.

    Protein is a bigger problem for athletic vegetarians than non-athletic vegetarians. Actually, the protein argument has been given undue weight. The biggest problem was nervous system diseases until scientists realized the importance of b12.

    Dr. Michael Gregor is a great source for general vegetarian nutrition. There's probably some bias, but he usually cites the studies he's talking about.

    The rest of this post is just off-topic information about beta-glucans.

    He's how I learned that nutritional yeast can protect the immune systems of athletes!
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22575076

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18614945 oops, cross it out. That's against the claim, but it's also older research from 2008.
    I can't find the 2nd study he talks about in the video. Maybe it isn't peer-reviewed/published yet?


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    WebMD has some cautionary notes about taking beta-glucan.
    http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-1041-BETA%20GLUCANS.aspx?activeIngredientId=1041&activeIngredientName=BETA%20GLUCANS
     
  6. urge2kill

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    I typed that whole response to the OP thinking this was a recent thread! [​IMG]
     
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  7. danfoz

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    At least it wasn't 5 years old... I've seen it happen.
     
  8. steve

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    I think Dr Gregor's website is on of the best sources of nutritional info available http://nutritionfacts.org/ it's worth a visit.
     
  9. urge2kill

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    It got a nasty comment on MyWOT. https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/nutritionfacts.org

    "He even asks for your donation to keep his propaganda machine afloat."

    It's an ad-free site!
     
  10. jaygeephoto

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    Welcome to the forum.

    I think you will find as much contradictory "information" and passionate debates on the subject of nutrition as anything out there. Some on either side are almost violent in their fervent beliefs. My suggestion is that you look to the most conservative and medically informed opinions that you find acceptable to your lifestyle and metabolism. Typically teenage males consume a lot of calories which means that vegetarianism or vegan-ism entails a lot of constant eating and food preparation. I wish I had the discipline to do so. After seeing Ringo and Paul (both vegetarians, ages 73 and 71) on stage, I think they are living proof of good eating!

    A word of caution about nutritional supplements however is in order even if prescribed by so called "doctors". Remember, nutritionists and chiropractors are not doctors.

    Adding to this cautionary note I would ask that you read this NYT article from a couple of months ago:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/22/us/spike-in-harm-to-liver-is-tied-to-dietary-aids.html?_r=0
     
  11. steve

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    There are haters and trolls everywhere [​IMG]
     
  12. urge2kill

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    The thread is a year old.

    Quote: Adding to this cautionary note I would ask that you read this NYT article from a couple of months ago:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/22/us/spike-in-harm-to-liver-is-tied-to-dietary-aids.html?_r=0


    http://www.fda.gov/Food/DietarySupplements/default.htm

    The FDA (the Food & Drug Administration of the United States) isn't allowed to regulate supplements as strictly. Supplements are innocent until proven guilty.
    It's dangerous, but a lot of people believe the FDA is corrupt, so they're glad to have its powers restricted.
     
  13. danfoz

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    Several years ago the government almost buckled to the pharmaceutical lobby to have vitamins taken off the shelves and regulated. Vitamins.

    There is a level of onus free people should have with regard to making decisions that includes common sense. That skill is learned, with enough hand holding it can be unlearned, and then I pity the fool...
     
  14. urge2kill

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    Let's make consumers sign a form and thereby acknowledge the risks.
     
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by danfoz .

    Several years ago the government almost buckled to the pharmaceutical lobby to have vitamins taken off the shelves and regulated. Vitamins.

    There is a level of onus free people should have with regard to making decisions that includes common sense. That skill is learned, with enough hand holding it can be unlearned, and then I pity the fool...


    I didn't find good information on the FDA restricting access to vitamins, but I did find a Forbes article about FDA regulation vs disregulation.
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonentine/2012/08/20/fda-spygate-new-revelations-challenge-the-new-york-times-investigation-of-agency-enemies-list-raise-more-questions-about-the-governments-most-dysfunctional-agency/

    Part of the article describes the FDA's attempt to expand its regulatory powers to genetic screening technology. The FDA recieved dozens of complaints from organizations who thought the new regulations would severely restrict entrepreneurial innovation and access to life-saving technologies.

    Does the FDA over-reach? Perhaps so.


    Well here's an essential nutrient that I never knew about and am probably deficient in!

    Choline!

    I was reading research that connected eggs with the progression of prostate cancer in its early stages. The researchers suspected that the connection was due to the choline in eggs (especially the yoke). I looked up this choline, however, and found that, when choline isn't fueling the growth & division of cancerous prostate cells, it's a good guy that plays important roles in the prostate and the brain.
     
  16. urge2kill

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    [​IMG]

    no copyright


    By the way, eggs are really high in choline. Look at page 11 on the USDA's database.
    https://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/12354500/Data/Choline/Choln02.pdf
    which I found here
    https://www.ars.usda.gov/services/docs.htm?docid=6232

    Maybe they have too much.
     
  17. RonSwanson

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    Tried it, but it just wasn't for me. My wife has had better luck and can stick with it. Beans, spinach, cantaloupes, and broccoli are good choices for protein.
     
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    Ron,your avatar is pure evil. I love it.
     
  19. ambal

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    That is completly false Ron, there is no protein in any of those foods. Broccoli is a plant, it's not made from animals and therefor can't have any protein. Protein is the most important vitamin, humans are at the top of the food chain and should eat a diet based on grass fed proteins. We're genetically carnivores, which explains why so many of us start watering at the mouth when we walk past the meat section of a super market.
     
  20. danfoz

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    Beans have no protein? ok.

    While many beans (and the foods Ron mentions above) aren't a complete protein, they contain amino acids (the building blocks of proteins) and combining them with something like rice will make them complete. It's the reason substantial portions of the worlds population can subsist on rice and beans. Although I prefer a medium rare cheeseburger myself.

    Furthermore most of us consume more protein than can be digested at each meal overworking the kidneys for something we'll just piss out. And bet you didn't know but meats and cheeses are highly acidic perpetuating muscle loss due to degrading kidney function as we age. Luckily that can be easily offset by eating alkaline foods such as raisins, bananas, spinach, potatoes, celery, broccoli, and many other fruits and vegetables to normalize the body's nitrogen balance, reducing acidity levels, so we can hold onto that precious muscle.
     
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