Lucero82 said:
No trim on the front mech?! Have you ever actually used Shimano?! There has been sufficient trim on the front mech for years and the new 11 speed mechs have loads of trim!
And what's this rubbish about needing new tools for Shimano?! I have run a workshop for 10 years, every year Campagnolo bring out a new BB that requires a stupidly expensive tool to fit and remove it.
And if you had any clue about Campagnolo, you would know that it is massively frowned upon to call it 'CAMPY' ! It should only ever be shortened to campag!
WOW!?!
I think that
some statements need to be corrected ...
I have several generations of Campagnolo BBs & Cranksets ...
And, the ONLY
non-standard BB tool I have is the same tool which is used for Campagnolo's Cassette Lockrings ...
Okay, THAT obviously means that I don't have a Veloce/Mirage/
whatever second-tier Campagnolo cartridge BB, but if I did have one I would simply buy a PARK TOOL wrench ... I would NOT consider those to be "stupidly expensive."
And, there are certainly other tool brands which are less expensive than Campagnolo's tools ...
So, there is NO NEED to buy a tool which has "Campagnolo" stamped-or-cast on-or-in it.
FYI. The Ultra Torque & Power Torque BB cups use the same wrench which Shimano Hollowtech II BB cups use ...
So, there was NO NEED to buy a separate tool for the Campagnolo BB cups.
AND, aren't the more recent Campagnolo BBs pseudo-standard press fit?
Now, despite my advanced age, my knowledge of the Italian language hasn't reached the kindergarten-level, yet ...
I
know that (
if a person knows Spanish) you can probably, simply replace "dove" for "donde" + affect a Italian-American accent and probably communicate well enough with a native Italian speaker who will probably presume you are from a different,
rustico part of the peninsula OR realize that you are an American and ask YOU if you speak English!
BUT, I think that after reading various people repeatedly suggest "campag" as a better diminutive nickname for Campagnolo there are many people who are more ignorant of the Italian language than I am ...
Because, the "g" with which you are ending the
word "campag" with is, in Italian, NOT phonetically pronounced when it precedes the letter "n" ... and the "gn" letter pairing is pronounced in the manner that the accent mark over the Spanish "ñ" &"Ñ" modifies the letter "n" ...
So,
gnocchi is pronounced closer to "n'yo-chi" and not "ga'no-chi" ...
Hence, I think that people who disdain the nickname "Campy" should be (
awkwardly) scribbling "Campagn" (pronounced
Kahm Pahn) and NOT simply the linguistically non-sensical "Campag" if they don't feel that "Campy" is an acceptable diminutive AND if they don't want to write out the entire name or UNLESS they want to extend the stereotype of the
Ugly American.