Are MA3 rims any good ?

[Dave Larrington]

Dave Larrington wrote:

> Task,

Task? /Stupid/ spilling chucker...

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[wheelsgoround]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with using levers to get tyres on.
The only mistake is to use them wrongly and pinch the tube.


Ian

 

[Just zis Guy, you know?]

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 01:08:57 +0100, "AndyMorris"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>> I have to add I use tyre levers - but then, surely only those who
>> genuinely have no need, or those who are utterly insanely worried
>> about their macho image, would not use them... ;-)

>Once you get the knack, its as easy as using tyre levers.

For various values of easy, obviously, strongly dependent on the rim
and tyre. 26" is usually OK, but try getting a 406 Stelvio off with
your fingers

 

[Monkey Hanger]

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 01:08:57 +0100, "AndyMorris"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> I have to add I use tyre levers - but then, surely only those who
>>> genuinely have no need, or those who are utterly insanely worried
>>> about their macho image, would not use them... ;-)
>
>>Once you get the knack, its as easy as using tyre levers.
>
> For various values of easy, obviously, strongly dependent on the rim
> and tyre. 26" is usually OK, but try getting a 406 Stelvio off with
> your fingers

And some 26" tyres aren't that easy. I've managed to bend some Park Tools
plastic levers on a 26" tyre. :-/

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Chris

 

[Velvet]

Pete Biggs wrote:
> Velvet wrote:
>
>>I have to add I use tyre levers - but then, surely only those who
>>genuinely have no need, or those who are utterly insanely worried
>>about their macho image, would not use them... ;-)
>
>
> Tyre levers can damage tubes.
>
> ~PB
>
>

Yes, I know that. S'why I use them with care

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Velvet

 

[Velvet]

wheelsgoround wrote:

> There's absolutely nothing wrong with using levers to get tyres on.
> The only mistake is to use them wrongly and pinch the tube.
>
>
> Ian
>

On? I only use 'em to get tyres OFF. Putting tyres on gets done with
bare hands...

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Velvet

 

[Pete Biggs]

Velvet wrote:
> wheelsgoround wrote:
>> There's absolutely nothing wrong with using levers to get tyres on.
>> The only mistake is to use them wrongly and pinch the tube.

That's all very well until you get a combination that is so frustrating
that you use the lever wrongly in desperation because there seems to be no
other way.

> On? I only use 'em to get tyres OFF. Putting tyres on gets done with
> bare hands...

That's what we were talking about, I thought. You've been lucky. Some
tyres are soooo tight (on some rims) that a lever has to be used to get
the damn thing ON. I've recently found that's the case with Panaracer
Pasela on MA3 and A719. Perhaps I could have managed without if I
struggled enough but I couldn't be bothered, so used a lever, carefully.

With Open Pros on the other hand, I don't need any levers to get Open
Corsa or Stelvio Light 700x23 tyres OFF, let alone on.

~PB

 

[Simon Brooke]

in message <[email protected]>, Pete Biggs
('pblackcherry{remove_fruit}@biggs.tc') wrote:

> Velvet wrote:
>> wheelsgoround wrote:
>>> There's absolutely nothing wrong with using levers to get tyres on.
>>> The only mistake is to use them wrongly and pinch the tube.
>
> That's all very well until you get a combination that is so
> frustrating that you use the lever wrongly in desperation because
> there seems to be no other way.
>
>> On? I only use 'em to get tyres OFF. Putting tyres on gets done
>> with bare hands...
>
> That's what we were talking about, I thought. You've been lucky.
> Some tyres are soooo tight (on some rims) that a lever has to be used
> to get
> the damn thing ON. I've recently found that's the case with Panaracer
> Pasela on MA3 and A719.

Interesting. I couldn't get Hutchinson Flash 700x20s onto my Mavic
Ksyriums at all - with levers or without. I got Panaracer Technova
700x20s on without any difficulty (or any levers). The Hutchinsons fit
on the old Weinmann 700C rims on my Record without difficulty, either.

700C seems a surprisingly variable standard!

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[MSeries]

Pete Biggs wrote:
> Velvet wrote:
> > wheelsgoround wrote:
> >> There's absolutely nothing wrong with using levers to get tyres
on.
> >> The only mistake is to use them wrongly and pinch the tube.
>
> That's all very well until you get a combination that is so
frustrating
> that you use the lever wrongly in desperation because there seems to
be no
> other way.
>
> > On? I only use 'em to get tyres OFF. Putting tyres on gets done
with
> > bare hands...
>
> That's what we were talking about, I thought. You've been lucky.
Some
> tyres are soooo tight (on some rims) that a lever has to be used to
get
> the damn thing ON. I've recently found that's the case with
Panaracer
> Pasela on MA3 and A719. Perhaps I could have managed without if I
> struggled enough but I couldn't be bothered, so used a lever,
carefully.
>
> With Open Pros on the other hand, I don't need any levers to get Open
> Corsa or Stelvio Light 700x23 tyres OFF, let alone on.
>
> ~PB

And thats my experience too. My MA2s with Hutchinson or Michelin 23mm
tyres are complete *****es, on and off. Mavic Reflex with Vittoria and
Hutchinsons 23mm tyres easy with no tools, off and on.

 

[David E. Belcher]

Simon Brooke <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
>
> Interesting. I couldn't get Hutchinson Flash 700x20s onto my Mavic
> Ksyriums at all - with levers or without. I got Panaracer Technova
> 700x20s on without any difficulty (or any levers). The Hutchinsons fit
> on the old Weinmann 700C rims on my Record without difficulty, either.
>
> 700C seems a surprisingly variable standard!

Magazine reviews suggest Campag's factory-built wheels are absolute
swines in this regard, being fractionally over-diameter compared to
your average 700c.

David E. Belcher

 

[JBB]

"Pete Biggs" <pblackcherry{remove_fruit}@biggs.tc> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Velvet wrote:
> > wheelsgoround wrote:
> >> There's absolutely nothing wrong with using levers to get tyres on.
> >> The only mistake is to use them wrongly and pinch the tube.
>
> That's all very well until you get a combination that is so frustrating
> that you use the lever wrongly in desperation because there seems to be no
> other way.
>
> > On? I only use 'em to get tyres OFF. Putting tyres on gets done with
> > bare hands...
>
> That's what we were talking about, I thought. You've been lucky. Some
> tyres are soooo tight (on some rims) that a lever has to be used to get
> the damn thing ON. I've recently found that's the case with Panaracer
> Pasela on MA3 and A719. Perhaps I could have managed without if I
> struggled enough but I couldn't be bothered, so used a lever, carefully.
>
> With Open Pros on the other hand, I don't need any levers to get Open
> Corsa or Stelvio Light 700x23 tyres OFF, let alone on.
>
> ~PB
>
I specifically use vVttorias on Pete's recommendation for ease of
"taking-off-and-putting-back-on". However I am in a bit of a quandary what
to use for winter - especially as I like to have blue on my tyres to match
the fork colour!