Are mobile phones wiping out our bees?



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Mike Vandeman

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\Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:31:42 -0400

Yep, pretty scary... and impacts on humans too...

http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/wildlife/article2449968.ece

Independent.co.uk Online Edition: Home

Are mobile phones wiping out our bees?
Scientists claim radiation from handsets are to blame for mysterious
'colony
collapse' of bees
By Geoffrey Lean and Harriet Shawcross
Published: 15 April 2007

It seems like the plot of a particularly far-fetched horror film. But
some
scientists suggest that our love of the mobile phone could cause
massive
food shortages, as the world's harvests fail.

They are putting forward the theory that radiation given off by mobile
phones and other hi-tech gadgets is a possible answer to one of the
more
bizarre mysteries ever to happen in the natural world - the abrupt
disappearance of the bees that pollinate crops. Late last week, some
bee-keepers claimed that the phenomenon - which started in the US,
then
spread to continental Europe - was beginning to hit Britain as well.

The theory is that radiation from mobile phones interferes with bees'
navigation systems, preventing the famously homeloving species from
finding
their way back to their hives. Improbable as it may seem, there is now
evidence to back this up.

Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) occurs when a hive's inhabitants
suddenly
disappear, leaving only queens, eggs and a few immature workers, like
so
many apian Mary Celestes. The vanished bees are never found, but
thought to
die singly far from home. The parasites, wildlife and other bees that
normally raid the honey and pollen left behind when a colony dies,
refuse to
go anywhere near the abandoned hives.

The alarm was first sounded last autumn, but has now hit half of all
American states. The West Coast is thought to have lost 60 per cent of
its
commercial bee population, with 70 per cent missing on the East Coast.

CCD has since spread to Germany, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, Italy
and
Greece. And last week John Chapple, one of London's biggest
bee-keepers,
announced that 23 of his 40 hives have been abruptly abandoned.

Other apiarists have recorded losses in Scotland, Wales and north-west
England, but the Department of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs
insisted: "There is absolutely no evidence of CCD in the UK."

The implications of the spread are alarming. Most of the world's crops
depend on pollination by bees. Albert Einstein once said that if the
bees
disappeared, "man would have only four years of life left".

No one knows why it is happening. Theories involving mites,
pesticides,
global warming and GM crops have been proposed, but all have
drawbacks.

German research has long shown that bees' behaviour changes near power
lines.

Now a limited study at Landau University has found that bees refuse to
return to their hives when mobile phones are placed nearby. Dr Jochen
Kuhn,
who carried it out, said this could provide a "hint" to a possible
cause.

Dr George Carlo, who headed a massive study by the US government and
mobile
phone industry of hazards from mobiles in the Nineties, said: "I am
convinced the possibility is real."

The case against handsets

Evidence of dangers to people from mobile phones is increasing. But
proof is
still lacking, largely because many of the biggest perils, such as
cancer,
take decades to show up.

Most research on cancer has so far proved inconclusive. But an
official
Finnish study found that people who used the phones for more than 10
years
were 40 per cent more likely to get a brain tumour on the same side as
they
held the handset.

Equally alarming, blue-chip Swedish research revealed that radiation
from
mobile phones killed off brain cells, suggesting that today's
teenagers
could go senile in the prime of their lives.

Studies in India and the US have raised the possibility that men who
use
mobile phones heavily have reduced sperm counts. And, more
prosaically,
doctors have identified the condition of "text thumb", a form of RSI
from
constant texting.

Professor Sir William Stewart, who has headed two official inquiries,
warned
that children under eight should not use mobiles and made a series of
safety
recommendations, largely ignored by ministers.
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On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:20:23 -0700, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Are mobile phones wiping out our bees?



So what! I could live off cheese nips, beef jerky, pizza and ice cream.
--
Slack
 
?Slack wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:20:23 -0700, Mike Vandeman
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Are mobile phones wiping out our bees?

>
>
> So what! I could live off cheese nips, beef jerky, pizza and ice
> cream.


Good thing you're slow on climbs.

Bill "ain't 'splainin'" S.
 
Mike Vandeman wrote:
>
> Are mobile phones wiping out our bees?


No.

Next question?

CC
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote:
> \Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:31:42 -0400
>
> CCD has since spread to Germany, Switzerland, Spain, Portugal, Italy
> and
> Greece. And last week John Chapple, one of London's biggest
> bee-keepers,
> announced that 23 of his 40 hives have been abruptly abandoned.


Astonishingly nothing can be found on any of Germanys beekeeper
websites not even on national association of beekeepers.
Doh!
Perhaps there were no more bees they could write about?
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> \Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:31:42 -0400
>
> Yep, pretty scary... and impacts on humans too...
>
> http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/wildlife/article2449968.ece
>



Actually, IF this turns out to be accurate, it is scary stuff indeed.

Sad thing is, it's probably not scary for the reason YOU think it's scary.
The problem becomes, the affect of loss of bees might have on human
populations. I'm certain that your view is that the loss of bees is
important to the bees, and that radio waves are bad for people. Radio waves
are not directly bad for people, but if they are bad for bees, then bad
things happening to bees might be bad for people.
 
On Apr 18, 1:58 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > \Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:31:42 -0400

>
> > Yep, pretty scary... and impacts on humans too...

>
> >http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/wildlife/article2449968.ece

>
> Actually, IF this turns out to be accurate, it is scary stuff indeed.
>
> Sad thing is, it's probably not scary for the reason YOU think it's scary.
> The problem becomes, the affect of loss of bees might have on human
> populations. I'm certain that your view is that the loss of bees is
> important to the bees, and that radio waves are bad for people. Radio waves
> are not directly bad for people, but if they are bad for bees, then bad
> things happening to bees might be bad for people.


The evidence that electromagnetic radiation at some wavelengths can
harm people is inconclusive - but it is clearly too early to wrote it
off. Some kinds of radio waves at modest intensity - microwaves for
example - can clearly cause short term harm. A UHF signal at close
range may have other effects that we'd rather not think about...

Having said this, I agree - the loss of bee populations is a very
frightening scenario. I doubt if global warming is responsible for
this one, since bees seem to do well in numerous habitats and
ecozones. So, it has to be something else, and it must be something
that has reared its ugly head in the last few years *where the bees
have been disappearing*. Massive cell phone connectivity could be the
culprit - but consider that lots of new broadcast technology has been
erupting (digital TV on a brand new set of frequencies, digital AM &
FM on their respective bands)...and in a few places, internet access
via powerline transmission is being bandied about...

Maybe it's even a new *something* brought about by Homeland Security!
How about that, Tinfoil-hat-types?

Until now I had always been under the impression that bees navigate
primarily through visual methods, but - well, learn somethng new every
day, eh?

Bruce Jensen
 
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> \Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:31:42 -0400
>>
>> Yep, pretty scary... and impacts on humans too...
>>
>> http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/wildlife/article2449968.ece
>>

>
>
> Actually, IF this turns out to be accurate, it is scary stuff indeed.
>
> Sad thing is, it's probably not scary for the reason YOU think it's
> scary. The problem becomes, the affect of loss of bees might have on
> human populations. I'm certain that your view is that the loss of bees
> is important to the bees, and that radio waves are bad for people. Radio
> waves are not directly bad for people, but if they are bad for bees,
> then bad things happening to bees might be bad for people.
>
>
>


The story appears to have something to it!

Central or Southern Canada is also having bee disappearance issues big
time. It is in the major Toronto newspapers this week.

Mike
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"Mike Romain" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>>
>> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> \Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:31:42 -0400
>>>
>>> Yep, pretty scary... and impacts on humans too...
>>>
>>> http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/wildlife/article2449968.ece
>>>

>>
>>
>> Actually, IF this turns out to be accurate, it is scary stuff indeed.
>>
>> Sad thing is, it's probably not scary for the reason YOU think it's
>> scary. The problem becomes, the affect of loss of bees might have on
>> human populations. I'm certain that your view is that the loss of bees is
>> important to the bees, and that radio waves are bad for people. Radio
>> waves are not directly bad for people, but if they are bad for bees, then
>> bad things happening to bees might be bad for people.
>>
>>
>>

>
> The story appears to have something to it!
>
> Central or Southern Canada is also having bee disappearance issues big
> time. It is in the major Toronto newspapers this week.
>



FINALLY, Vandeman is worried about something that appears to have merit. The
sad thing is, he is probably not worried about the aspects that carry the
merit.

Maybe he'll grace us with a logical explanation of his position.
 
On Apr 18, 2:58 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
> > \Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:31:42 -0400

>
> > Yep, pretty scary... and impacts on humans too...

>
> >http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/wildlife/article2449968.ece

>
> Actually, IF this turns out to be accurate, it is scary stuff indeed.
>
> Sad thing is, it's probably not scary for the reason YOU think it's scary.
> The problem becomes, the affect of loss of bees might have on human
> populations. I'm certain that your view is that the loss of bees is
> important to the bees, and that radio waves are bad for people. Radio waves
> are not directly bad for people, but if they are bad for bees, then bad
> things happening to bees might be bad for people.


I saw where there was one European Researcher in electromagnetic
radiation - cell phones! He now wears a metal suit to keep the
electromagnetic radiation from him! Anybody else hear about that?
 
"chatnoir" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Apr 18, 2:58 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> > \Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:31:42 -0400

>>
>> > Yep, pretty scary... and impacts on humans too...

>>
>> >http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/wildlife/article2449968.ece

>>
>> Actually, IF this turns out to be accurate, it is scary stuff indeed.
>>
>> Sad thing is, it's probably not scary for the reason YOU think it's
>> scary.
>> The problem becomes, the affect of loss of bees might have on human
>> populations. I'm certain that your view is that the loss of bees is
>> important to the bees, and that radio waves are bad for people. Radio
>> waves
>> are not directly bad for people, but if they are bad for bees, then bad
>> things happening to bees might be bad for people.

>
> I saw where there was one European Researcher in electromagnetic
> radiation - cell phones! He now wears a metal suit to keep the
> electromagnetic radiation from him! Anybody else hear about that?
>


I just wear a foil hat ...

Cell phones put out so little power there is very little, if any, real risk
of harm from them. Especially on older people. There is a remote possibility
that very young children might be exposed to radiation hazards from cell
phones, but I think it takes multiple continuous hours a day of use, and
that has to take place day after day. The random 30-second cell phone to
call Mom to get a ride home from Suzi's house isn't a problem.

PS
I don't really wear a foil hat.
 
Jeff Strickland wrote:

> Actually, IF this turns out to be accurate, it is scary stuff indeed.
>
> Sad thing is, it's probably not scary for the reason YOU think it's scary.
> The problem becomes, the affect of loss of bees might have on human
> populations. I'm certain that your view is that the loss of bees is
> important to the bees, and that radio waves are bad for people. Radio waves
> are not directly bad for people, but if they are bad for bees, then bad
> things happening to bees might be bad for people.


No, it's scary because of the possible effect on the bee population.
Anyone raised on a farm as I was knows that we depend heavily on bees
for our food supply - and not just honey. They pollinate *many*
plants, including many we depend on for food.

A possible positive note is that there are mason bees which do not
live in hives. I don't know if they are affected by cell phones or
whatever is reducing the honey-bee population, but they are also
effective pollinaters. They won't make honey for us but they do help
with plant propagation.
 
On 4/18/07 12:20 AM, "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Scientists claim radiation from handsets are to blame for mysterious
> 'colony
> collapse' of bees
>


Time to hand out tiny little tinfoil helmets.
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> \Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:31:42 -0400
>
> Yep, pretty scary... and impacts on humans too...
>
> http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/wildlife/article2449968.ece
>
> Independent.co.uk Online Edition: Home
>
> Are mobile phones wiping out our bees?
> Scientists claim radiation from handsets are to blame for mysterious
> 'colony
> collapse' of bees
> By Geoffrey Lean and Harriet Shawcross
> Published: 15 April 2007
>



Another PhD that cannot find a real job so they con the government out of
some research grant money to study a useless subject.

I wasn't aware cell phones had been miniaturized enough so they could be
carried by bees.
 
di wrote:
>>

>
>
>
> Another PhD that cannot find a real job so they con the government out of
> some research grant money to study a useless subject.
>
> I wasn't aware cell phones had been miniaturized enough so they could be
> carried by bees.


I saw a bee using a Blackberry®. Does that count? :)

WM

>
>
 
<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
>> Actually, IF this turns out to be accurate, it is scary stuff indeed.
>>
>> Sad thing is, it's probably not scary for the reason YOU think it's
>> scary.
>> The problem becomes, the affect of loss of bees might have on human
>> populations. I'm certain that your view is that the loss of bees is
>> important to the bees, and that radio waves are bad for people. Radio
>> waves
>> are not directly bad for people, but if they are bad for bees, then bad
>> things happening to bees might be bad for people.

>
> No, it's scary because of the possible effect on the bee population.
> Anyone raised on a farm as I was knows that we depend heavily on bees
> for our food supply - and not just honey. They pollinate *many*
> plants, including many we depend on for food.
>


Sorry, I meant to say that. What I said was that Mike Vandeman would
overlook the importance of bees in our lives, and focus on the affect of the
loss of bees to bees, not to humans.

I understand why the loss of bees is scary, I wonder if Mike knows why the
loss of bees is a problem. You articulated that which I already know.
 
"Wild Monkshood" <[email protected]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:U%[email protected]...
>
>
> di wrote:
> >>

> >
> >
> >
> > Another PhD that cannot find a real job so they con the government out of
> > some research grant money to study a useless subject.
> >
> > I wasn't aware cell phones had been miniaturized enough so they could be
> > carried by bees.

>
> I saw a bee using a Blackberry®. Does that count? :)


Enough of evidence.
Please make a petition to IPCC so they can cherrypick the negatives
for their Report for Policymakers and then perhaps we can hope
for great political speech and accordingly a nice tax, that will bring
our bees back. ;)
 
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:55:40 -0700, Bill Sornson <[email protected]> wrote:

> ?Slack wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 21:20:23 -0700, Mike Vandeman
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Are mobile phones wiping out our bees?

>>
>>
>> So what! I could live off cheese nips, beef jerky, pizza and ice
>> cream.

>
> Good thing you're slow on climbs.
>
> Bill "ain't 'splainin'" S.
>
>


Hey, I've had a vomit session.... or two before.


Btw, where have you been lately? I was beginning to think you
accidentally ingested a bottle of Nair or something.
--
Slack
 
On Apr 18, 5:03 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "chatnoir" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:[email protected]...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 18, 2:58 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> "Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>
> >>news:[email protected]...

>
> >> > \Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:31:42 -0400

>
> >> > Yep, pretty scary... and impacts on humans too...

>
> >> >http://news.independent.co.uk/environment/wildlife/article2449968.ece

>
> >> Actually, IF this turns out to be accurate, it is scary stuff indeed.

>
> >> Sad thing is, it's probably not scary for the reason YOU think it's
> >> scary.
> >> The problem becomes, the affect of loss of bees might have on human
> >> populations. I'm certain that your view is that the loss of bees is
> >> important to the bees, and that radio waves are bad for people. Radio
> >> waves
> >> are not directly bad for people, but if they are bad for bees, then bad
> >> things happening to bees might be bad for people.

>
> > I saw where there was one European Researcher in electromagnetic
> > radiation - cell phones! He now wears a metal suit to keep the
> > electromagnetic radiation from him! Anybody else hear about that?

>
> I just wear a foil hat ...
>
> Cell phones put out so little power there is very little, if any, real risk
> of harm from them. Especially on older people. There is a remote possibility
> that very young children might be exposed to radiation hazards from cell
> phones, but I think it takes multiple continuous hours a day of use, and
> that has to take place day after day. The random 30-second cell phone to
> call Mom to get a ride home from Suzi's house isn't a problem.
>
> PS
> I don't really wear a foil hat.


Spock: Insufficient facts always invite danger.
 
Jeff Strickland wrote:
>


>
> FINALLY, Vandeman is worried about something that appears to have merit.
> The sad thing is, he is probably not worried about the aspects that
> carry the merit.
>
> Maybe he'll grace us with a logical explanation of his position.
>

If all bees were to suddenly vanish, we'd have maybe three years food
supply. This isn't a joke or funny at all if there really is an epidemic
of hive collapse we do need to find out why.