This specific example may well be true. I would like you to back up the argument when trying to tell me how that could have evolved into the many dozens of breeds we have in only the 4000 or so years that the bible says the Earth is old.wiredued said:
Let's not get into a semantics debate here, but if you must, no noone is forcing me to spread creation "science," not that I would if they did. I was not talking about governments doing so, although I do believe that the current administration would love to do just that. I was merely pointing out that, on an individual level, I do not going around trying to convert believers....by trying to instill some imaginary fears of an eternity in Hell or other nonsense. Yet I am constantly bombarded with said practices, even from my own family....before you put words into my mouth, perhaps you need to go read the "christian cyclist thread." I will not bother rehashing my views here. They have already been made known. I will say this one more time....If you choose to believe in God or whatever yout choice of deity, and are happy with it, then I am happy for you. Most importantly, I will respect your beliefs. I will not call you a zealot, fanatic, idiot or any other disparaging name I have seen some of the faithful called. I will however demand that you extend the same courtesy to me. I am not so pompous as to say that Atheists and agnostics have the market cornered on tolerance...far from it in fact. But there are many christians who need to take a serious look at the company they keep....what with certain groups perpetrating heinous acts against various segments of humanity in the name of "their" God (ie: The KKK, The Conquistadors, The Inquisition, etc.) Even their God cautions his flock about glass houses.wiredued said:
It's not my theory that steel is the best frame material. I'm simply a believer and I don't need logic to justify it.meehs said:Very good point. I didn't mean to single out "believers" really. Sorry if it came across that way. Lots of folks tend to hang onto any argument to support whatever theory it is that they're pitching. I've seen it applied to the positive attributes of carbon fiber, titanium, steel, etc. on this very forum!
Anyway, good observations.
It's not my theory that steel is the best frame material. I'm simply a believer and I don't need logic to justify it.meehs said:Very good point. I didn't mean to single out "believers" really. Sorry if it came across that way. Lots of folks tend to hang onto any argument to support whatever theory it is that they're pitching. I've seen it applied to the positive attributes of carbon fiber, titanium, steel, etc. on this very forum!
Anyway, good observations.
baj32161 said:
baj32161 said:
wheelist said:It's not my theory that steel is the best frame material. I'm simply a believer and I don't need logic to justify it.
Does this make me an aliminium atheist and/or a carbon agnostic?
(p.s. I'm in agreement - some great observations from the Beast.)
wheelist said:It's not my theory that steel is the best frame material. I'm simply a believer and I don't need logic to justify it.
Does this make me an aliminium atheist and/or a carbon agnostic?
(p.s. I'm in agreement - some great observations from the Beast.)
wheelist said:It's not my theory that steel is the best frame material. I'm simply a believer and I don't need logic to justify it.
Does this make me an aliminium atheist and/or a carbon agnostic?
(p.s. I'm in agreement - some great observations from the Beast.)
wheelist said:It's not my theory that steel is the best frame material. I'm simply a believer and I don't need logic to justify it.
Does this make me an aliminium atheist and/or a carbon agnostic?
(p.s. I'm in agreement - some great observations from the Beast.)
