The comment about defending France in the WWs is not necessary with this issue. That is an issue far different then any sporting issue.scotty72 said:What has been proved is that you will jump on any ant- LA bandwagon you can find.
A dodgy test by a dodgy agency sponsored by a news agency in a dodgy country determined to nail LA.
How can a degraded 7 y.o sample prove anything?
Perfect catch 22. There is no B sample to verify that this isn't a stitch up.
French MO, try to nail a guy who can't defend himself with manufactured, unverifiable evidence.
And to think, we actually defended these guys in 2 world wars !
Scotty
Now I keep reading there is a copy of these numbered files of samples available at various French agency, and L'Equipe has revealed this documents they found. IS there some type of link to see these papers they are referring to that someone can provide?
I htink the part that is scrutinized the most is the fact their are 12 total "positive" test, but only 6 has been found out. This is very skeptical to many because it would be only logical to presume that all the 1999 records are together, or if they were thrown away, found in the same bags.
If you have a page of records of such urine samples, you would imagine the page would look like this
Sample Rider Team
PROLOGUE
000001A Lance Armstrong USPS
000001B Lance Armstrong USPS
000002A Alex Zulle Banesto
000002B Alex Zulle Banesto
000003A Rik Verbrugghe Lotto-Mobistar
000003B Rik Verbrugghe Lotto-Mobistar
000004A
...... These Samples would be those of the randomly Selected
...... Teams Tested.
......
000033B
Stage 1
100001A Jaan Kirsipuu Casino
......
......
So On
The names I included would be The Stage Winner, Yellow, Green, and White Jersey holder (Or the person wearing i.e. Zulle after Stage 1)
The skepticism thus is if you find the pages with the appropiate data on it, how can you not already find at least 1 other person on it with a positive test. Sounds suspicious. Could it because the other riders are French or maybe members of French Teams? ITs perfectly logical to see why it does look like a witchhunt. As long as the test are reliable, this doesn't take away the results of them though, showing the traces of EPO in 6 samples belonging to Armstrong.
You can understand why many members in the cycling community are reacting like Indurain, and are quite puzzled. There is a ton of mistrust between the Cyclists and the Governing Body. The test is under great scrutiny as it has already been shown that it can provide false positives, as found out recently. I would image that over the next 3-4 years we will find out more details about the test, and possibly EPO. Maybe with more detailed testing, you might can find presence of it up to a couple of months later. ITs just a wait and see approach.
WBT: to clarify your statement, its been found a fact that Traces of EPO has been found in 6 samples of Armstrong in the 1999 TDF. But, BY the UCI rules, Armstrong has not broken the rules of the Tour, because with out a confirmed positive test on a second sample, it can not be ruled as a positive test in the eyes of the sanction bodies (I.E. Tyler's Olympic Gold). You are welcome to and in many people's eyes justified in believe and voice the opinion of he did take EPO and if you desire to use the word, "Cheated", but in techincal sense, he has not been found guilty of doping.
It will certainly interesting to see how this unfolds over the next few days, because im sure this is a story that will be completely balloon, forcing some type of confirmation from a Governing Body and or the Lab on the Test. The longer it takes for this confirmation, the more it will look like its a "witchhunt" on Armstrong. Releasing the names of the other 6 samples will help the creditibility of the report by L'Equipe in the eyes of the public. UCI has a reason to hide a positive test on Armstrong. Eventhough Cycling is big in Europe, and its not just about Armstrong, UCI wants to expands its horizons around the world, and no current athlete is more identified with its sport then Armstrong is to Cycling ( Obviously especailly in North America). If these allegation is true, the money generated by the American, Canadiens and other countries would quickly disappear if these tests are confirmed, and could cost the Cycling Industries a good bit of money.