Armstrong doping question

"Kim Lambert" <[email hidden]@xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
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If someone said to me that it was possible to beat a 3000 metre individual
pursuit record by almost 5 secs I would have said it was impossible but

New

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Zealands Sarah Ulmer did it, and all down to bloody single mindedness and
hard work. I beleive that is what Lance has, unfortunatly a celebrity
profile means that people who do not have that ability, see arrogance, and
set out to bring him down. Tall poppy syndrome.
Ride on
Kim

Yep. He's a hyper-competitive individual with a high pain tolerance and
off-the-chart genetic gifts. You could pump all the EPO in the world into
another cyclist and not create a Lance.

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Why not he reveal his medical record so that we can see
what kind of anti-cancer chemo he takes.

He's done with chemotherapy. Do you think he takes an anti-cancer vaccine,
or something? Your troll attempts are pathetic.

On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 08:12:08 -0600, "Paul Turner" <[email hidden]> wrote
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There is a new story circulating today that a former assistant of Lance
Armstrong claims that he found a bottle of anabolic steroids while
cleaning Lance's bathroom.

So what's the story? That Armstrong takes drugs? I'd be astonished
if any pro cyclist did not. Why single out Lance?

Guy
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: I don't know why people have to just believe that he is totally clean.
:
Here's the difference: he is innocent until proven guilty. It's that simple.
Your view is that everyone is guilty--and it would be moronic to think
otherwise.

What we of the "prove it or shut up" group think is this: we don't know why
people have to just believe that he is totally drugged---without one
scintilla of proof. Bring us proof.

Pat in TX

: Why not he reveal his medical record so that we can see
: what kind of anti-cancer chemo he takes. And he should
: reveal his personal doctor. Current anti-doping method is not
: effective. The medial test lab is trying to improve better way
: to find the doping espcially when you are dealing with the guy
: know about the drug and the body chemistry. Lance is a trained
: body chemistist and knows how to get away from the doping
: than most peopl could. No matter Lance keeps total innocent, there
: is always a hole to escape.

He doesn't have to reveal anything to you. He has done so to the proper
authorities and they are satisfied. He owes you nothing. He is not taking
any anti-cancer drugs. You would know that if you would get a copy of his
books and read---not just speculate.

Pat in TX
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Why not he reveal his medical record so that we can see
what kind of anti-cancer chemo he takes. And he should
reveal his personal doctor. Current anti-doping method is not
effective. The medial test lab is trying to improve better way
to find the doping espcially when you are dealing with the guy
know about the drug and the body chemistry. Lance is a trained
body chemistist and knows how to get away from the doping
than most peopl could. No matter Lance keeps total innocent, there
is always a hole to escape.

Chartreuse [censored] expert on holes.

(Nice relapse re. English language, BTW.)

Again, he's given permission to authorities to KEEP HIS SAMPLES
indefinitely. When better testing methods are developed, they can try again
and again to find something.

Sure doesn't SOUND like a cheater to me. (Compare his plain-spoken denials
to the tap-dancing baseball players are /still/ doing; nice to see a man get
right out there, and not hide behind publicists, lawyers, agents, etc.)

Shoeless Bill

On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 13:15:41 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]>

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On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 08:12:08 -0600, "Paul Turner" <[email hidden]> wrote
in message <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

There is a new story circulating today that a former assistant of Lance
Armstrong claims that he found a bottle of anabolic steroids while
cleaning Lance's bathroom.

So what's the story? That Armstrong takes drugs? I'd be astonished
if any pro cyclist did not. Why single out Lance?

Ironically, of everyone in the peloton he's the one with the least need of
drugs. Lance can build his entire life around the TdF and enough racing to make
himself ready for it and a couple of post-Tour Crits to cash in on it. IOW he
races maybe 40 days a year. The rest of'em are racing 100 - 130 days a year.

Lance doesn't need the HGH and EPO to recover, he has the luxury of showing up
fresh.

Ron

bikeguy11968 said:

This is a toughie. Turd density drugs aside. Looking at the recent
balco scandal... That's a tough one. Look at recent findings in gene
therapy. More tough ones. The honest truth I believe is that is is
very possible for him to be on something that people just don't know
about now and test for. Yes he is the most tested athlete on the
planet. What does that really mean? He is NOT failing tests for the
drugs we know about. It doesn't mean that he isn't taking something
that we DON"T know about however.

How do we know you're not a pedophile? There are lots of 'em out
there that we don't know about, after all. Why should we give you the
benefit of the doubt instead of just assuming you ARE a pedophile?
Better to just let it be known that you are a pedophile since you
spend a lot of time on the computer (since other computer users have
been found to be pedophiles).

Hope that puts your "logic" in perspective.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

Just zis Guy said:

So what's the story? That Armstrong takes drugs? I'd be astonished
if any pro cyclist did not. Why single out Lance?

I didn't intend to single out Lance. The story came up because he sued a
former assistant Friday for defamation after the assistant claimed to have
found a box labeled androstenin in Armstrong's bathroom.

It simply struck me a little like accusing a golfer of using EPO or a
tennis playing of using heroin. Not impossible, but somehow not what you
would expect from someone trying to use drugs to win. Setting aside
legality and morality, it seems like an unsophisticated approach to
performance enhancement for an athlete who makes his living, in part, from
being light. Part of the whole Armstrong cancer story is supposedly that
the disease had the side effect of letting a triathlete's overdeveloped
upper body waste away, allowing him to rebuild along road cycling lines.

--
Paul Turner

Hickey- That's got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen on
this site. Heck, you and your 595$ ti frame post waay more than me.
You must be TWICE the pedophile I am.. what a dumbass.

I'm not singling out armstrong, as the last writer politely noted. I
am reminding people that he is whipping the [censored] out of elite ahtletes
that do dope. Unless of course you are all dumb enough to believe that
a pidgeon flying by dropped an EPO turd in the eye of camenzind, and
that made the test. Or that Tyler ate some really really rare beef and
that blew his test. Or that Museeuw was eating wasps cause the
stingers keep him regular. Or that Vandenbroucke's dog desperately
needed EPO. Or that Jeanson has a naturally high hematocrit of 56 and
hasn't won anything since her sanction. Or that Richard Virenque
really didn't do it. Or that Raimondus' mother in law really really
needs EPO and HGH to mow the lawn in Uzbekistan or wherever the hell
he's from. Or that Tammy Thomas chopped up bull testicles for dinner
and that made her (his?) test. Or that Garzelli's positive was the
result of a contaminated twinkie.

C'mon people. No one (well almost No one) is going to jump up and
say, "Yup, I doped. that's me. done". Denial is current code.
Decanio in his own bizzare sick demeneted way are at least trying. As
someone that has had a lot of exposure to both doping controls, drug
tests, and banned lists, as an athlete, promoter, and lab worker, there
are ways to cheat. Tests are not perfect, they are simply the best
available science we have now. While I don't have proof of anything,
any reasonably intelligent person has to look at the recent BALCO
scandals and at least have doubts. Couple that with allegations,
performances, etc, and you should have more. There's a lot of money at
stake here, and money makes people do crazy things.

Maybe someday the truth will come out. True, it will likely be the day
after we figure out who reall shot Kennedy, but someday perhaps it
will. Till then, I have doubts, and I'm not afraid to say it. As an
educated person, I am entitled to my ideas. At least I'm not a lemming
believing every crumb of information passed down to him by others.

On 3 Apr 2005 09:25:45 -0700, "bikeguy11968" <[email hidden]>
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Maybe someday the truth will come out. True, it will likely be the day
after we figure out who reall shot Kennedy,

Hey, we already know. It was Elvis Presley taken through a timewarp
by alien abductors in the pay of the CIA and KGB. The backup shooter
on the grassy knoll was Lord Lucan.

The ability of conspiracy theories to survive alternative rational and
prosaic explanations is a source of constant amusement to me :-)

Guy
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I thought it was colonel mustard in the library with the candlestick.

On 3 Apr 2005 11:04:30 -0700, "bikeguy11968" <[email hidden]>
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I thought it was colonel mustard in the library with the candlestick.

This possibility should not be discounted. He it was, after all, who
murdered Rasputin.

Guy
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85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

bikeguy11968 said:

Hickey- That's got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen on
this site. Heck, you and your 595$ ti frame post waay more than me.
You must be TWICE the pedophile I am.. what a dumbass.

Well, I'm glad you got the point that it's ludicrous (or really,
really dumb) to accuse someone of something with absolutely no proof.

Now realize that I was doing it facetiously to make a point, and you
weren't.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 03:58:27 GMT in rec.bicycles.misc, "Bill

Sornson said:

He also made the point that, after facing near-death due to cancer, he would
never jeopardize his health just to gain an athletic edge. Flat out not
worth it.

as a fellow cancer survivor, i can tell you that he means it.
every day is so much more precious once you've been that close to
death.

"Bill Sornson" <[email hidden]>
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Again, he's given permission to authorities to KEEP HIS

SAMPLES

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indefinitely. When better testing methods are developed,

they can try again

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and again to find something.

I hadn't heard that. Would you happen to have a citation or
rough date handy? I'm not doubting you. I just would like to
read more.

"Mark Hickey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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How do we know you're not a pedophile? There are lots of

'em out

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there that we don't know about, after all. Why should we

give you the

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benefit of the doubt instead of just assuming you ARE a

pedophile?

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Better to just let it be known that you are a pedophile

since you

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spend a lot of time on the computer (since other computer

users have

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been found to be pedophiles).

On bicycle newsgroups, this should be "pedalphile".

Sat, 02 Apr 2005 07:59:02 -0700,
<[email hidden]>, Mark Hickey

possibly citing party policy guidelines said:

Those who've made up their minds on the issue can gleefully
ignore facts, common sense and history.

"The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

- Donald Rumsfeld
--
zk

: >Hickey- That's got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen on
: >this site. Heck, you and your 595$ ti frame post waay more than me.
: >You must be TWICE the pedophile I am.. what a dumbass.
:
: Well, I'm glad you got the point that it's ludicrous (or really,
: really dumb) to accuse someone of something with absolutely no proof.
:
: Now realize that I was doing it facetiously to make a point, and you
: weren't.
:
: Mark Hickey

Don't be silly, Mark. He's an "educated person"...he told us so, after all.
How dare you challenge him to come up with logic or proof! Evidently, all
this "educated person" needs is a lot of flaming emotion.

Pat in TX

bikeguy11968 said:

I'm not singling out armstrong, as the last writer politely noted. I
am reminding people that he is whipping the [censored] out of elite ahtletes
that do dope.

From everything I've read he also trains harder then any other cyclist
out there. Combine that with a lot of natural abilty and it's not
surprising he wins. Plus, he's always focused almost entirely on the TdF.

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Maybe someday the truth will come out.

Maybe the truth is already out.

Rich