Armstrong, Wife seperate

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  1. Brian Roth

    Brian Roth Guest

    Google can take up to 9 hours to post, so it's likely this will be old news, but here it is anyway.
    From the Austin American Statesman:

    By Suzanne Halliburton

    AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF

    Saturday, February 22, 2003

    Lance and Kristin Armstrong, one of the highest-profile couples in international sports, said Friday
    that they have separated after 4 1/2 years of marriage.

    Lance Armstrong, the Austin-based cyclist and four-time defending Tour de France champion, will
    leave for Spain on Monday to prepare for the European cycling season. Kristin Armstrong and the
    couple's three young children will remain in Austin.

    The Armstrongs, both 31, provided a statement to the American-Statesman on Friday that they were
    having unspecified marital difficulties.

    "We are working through these sensitive issues in the same way we have met other challenges in our
    life -- together with determination and dedication," the statement said. "We may experience a period
    of time apart from each other as we reflect on our relationship and work to preserve and protect the
    interests of our family and children."

    The two separated in late January and have been living apart since. Lance Armstrong has been staying
    at another house, a family retreat, that he owns southwest of Austin. The couple also owns a home in
    Girona, Spain, Armstrong's European base for the six-month-long cycling season.

    This summer, Armstrong could become only the second rider to win five straight Tour de France
    races. For each of the four previous titles, Kristin Armstrong was by his side on the victory
    stand in Paris.

    Their story -- his overcoming testicular cancer, her efforts to have children, their fund-raising
    for cancer survivors -- has been widely told and hailed as inspirational for thousands. The Lance
    Armstrong Foundation raised about $2.7 million last year; both of the Armstrongs have helped to
    raise money for the foundation, but neither is involved in itsdaily operations.

    Last weekend, the foundation raised about $500,000 at its Live to Ride Gala in Austin. But Kristin
    Armstrong was out of town and did not attend, the first public clue of their separation.

    For six years, the sporting world has watched Lance Armstrong's recovery and rise to the top of
    cycling, accompanied by his rise to the top of sports marketing. His autobiography was a best
    seller, and he was last year's Sportsman of the Year, as chosen by Sports Illustrated. His
    relationship with Kristin and their growing family has been a key part of the story.

    The two became friends in January 1997, when Kristin was working for a local advertising firm and
    met Lance through her volunteer work with the foundation. At the time, Lance was only one month
    removed from his chemotherapy treatments for advanced testicular cancer and still two years away
    from his first Tour title.

    The two started dating in June 1997 and were engaged that October. They married in May 1998 in Santa
    Barbara, Calif., near where Kristin and her family spent summer vacations when she was growing up.

    The two soon began talking about starting a family. Because Lance's cancer treatments could have
    made him sterile, he banked his sperm immediately after his diagnosis. Kristin began the in vitro
    fertilization process in December 1998, chronicling her story in a pull-no-punches diary published
    on Lance's official Web site.

    The couple's first child, Luke, was born in October 1999, three months after Lance Armstrong's first
    Tour de France victory. Twins Grace and Isabella -- also conceived through in vitro fertilization --
    were born in November 2001.

    Less than two months ago, the couple was featured in local advertising in support of the Fertile
    Hope 5K race to raise awareness for the infertility problems of female cancer survivors. Kristin was
    one of the main organizers of the event.

    Kristin Armstrong also appeared with her husband in 1999-2000 in a commercial for
    Bristol-Myers-Squibb, the pharmaceutical company that produced the chemotherapy drugs he credited
    with saving his life.

    In addition, Lance Armstrong has endorsement deals with Coca-Cola, Nike and several cycling
    equipment companies, and recently signed a $12.5 million endorsement deal with Subaru. The first of
    the six commercials featuring Armstrong will be aired in April.

    Armstrong's new Coke commercial premiered during Sunday's Daytona 500. He also is set to appear in
    regional commercials for Comcast.

    Bill Stapleton, Armstrong's Austin-based agent, said that Armstrong's major sponsors have been
    informed of the couple's separation.

    "I spoke to Lance's sponsors prior to their (separation) announcement," Stapleton said Friday. "They
    remain very supportive and are hoping for the best for the two of them and their children."
     
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  2. I can't believe it. Who would of thought those two would ever break up based on just what you see on
    the media. They always look happy together, but yeah, what goes on behind closed doors is another
    matter. Well, that won't bode well for his squeaky clean image and his causes. But on the other
    hand, it shouldn't hurt them greatly either. It could hurt his chances for the TDF, [if] it really
    is bothering him. Nothing like problems at home to screw up a guy's head.

    Bruce

    -------------------
    "brian roth" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > Google can take up to 9 hours to post, so it's likely this will be old news, but here it is
    > anyway. From the Austin American Statesman:
    >
    >
    >
    > By Suzanne Halliburton
    >
    > AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
    >
    > Saturday, February 22, 2003
    >
    > Lance and Kristin Armstrong, one of the highest-profile couples in international sports, said
    > Friday that they have separated after 4 1/2 years of marriage.
    >
    > Lance Armstrong, the Austin-based cyclist and four-time defending Tour de France champion, will
    > leave for Spain on Monday to prepare for the European cycling season. Kristin Armstrong and the
    > couple's three young children will remain in Austin.
    >
    > The Armstrongs, both 31, provided a statement to the American-Statesman on Friday that they were
    > having unspecified marital difficulties.
    >
    > "We are working through these sensitive issues in the same way we have met other challenges in our
    > life -- together with determination and dedication," the statement said. "We may experience a
    > period of time apart from each other as we reflect on our relationship and work to preserve and
    > protect the interests of our family and children."
    >
    > The two separated in late January and have been living apart since. Lance Armstrong has been
    > staying at another house, a family retreat, that he owns southwest of Austin. The couple also owns
    > a home in Girona, Spain, Armstrong's European base for the six-month-long cycling season.
    >
    > This summer, Armstrong could become only the second rider to win five straight Tour de France
    > races. For each of the four previous titles, Kristin Armstrong was by his side on the victory
    > stand in Paris.
    >
    > Their story -- his overcoming testicular cancer, her efforts to have children, their fund-raising
    > for cancer survivors -- has been widely told and hailed as inspirational for thousands. The Lance
    > Armstrong Foundation raised about $2.7 million last year; both of the Armstrongs have helped to
    > raise money for the foundation, but neither is involved in itsdaily operations.
    >
    > Last weekend, the foundation raised about $500,000 at its Live to Ride Gala in Austin. But Kristin
    > Armstrong was out of town and did not attend, the first public clue of their separation.
    >
    > For six years, the sporting world has watched Lance Armstrong's recovery and rise to the top of
    > cycling, accompanied by his rise to the top of sports marketing. His autobiography was a best
    > seller, and he was last year's Sportsman of the Year, as chosen by Sports Illustrated. His
    > relationship with Kristin and their growing family has been a key part of the story.
    >
    > The two became friends in January 1997, when Kristin was working for a local advertising firm and
    > met Lance through her volunteer work with the foundation. At the time, Lance was only one month
    > removed from his chemotherapy treatments for advanced testicular cancer and still two years away
    > from his first Tour title.
    >
    > The two started dating in June 1997 and were engaged that October. They married in May 1998 in
    > Santa Barbara, Calif., near where Kristin and her family spent summer vacations when she was
    > growing up.
    >
    > The two soon began talking about starting a family. Because Lance's cancer treatments could have
    > made him sterile, he banked his sperm immediately after his diagnosis. Kristin began the in vitro
    > fertilization process in December 1998, chronicling her story in a pull-no-punches diary published
    > on Lance's official Web site.
    >
    > The couple's first child, Luke, was born in October 1999, three months after Lance Armstrong's
    > first Tour de France victory. Twins Grace and Isabella -- also conceived through in vitro
    > fertilization -- were born in November 2001.
    >
    > Less than two months ago, the couple was featured in local advertising in support of the Fertile
    > Hope 5K race to raise awareness for the infertility problems of female cancer survivors. Kristin
    > was one of the main organizers of the event.
    >
    > Kristin Armstrong also appeared with her husband in 1999-2000 in a commercial for
    > Bristol-Myers-Squibb, the pharmaceutical company that produced the chemotherapy drugs he credited
    > with saving his life.
    >
    > In addition, Lance Armstrong has endorsement deals with Coca-Cola, Nike and several cycling
    > equipment companies, and recently signed a $12.5 million endorsement deal with Subaru. The first
    > of the six commercials featuring Armstrong will be aired in April.
    >
    > Armstrong's new Coke commercial premiered during Sunday's Daytona 500. He also is set to appear in
    > regional commercials for Comcast.
    >
    > Bill Stapleton, Armstrong's Austin-based agent, said that Armstrong's major sponsors have been
    > informed of the couple's separation.
    >
    > "I spoke to Lance's sponsors prior to their (separation) announcement," Stapleton said Friday.
    > "They remain very supportive and are hoping for the best for the two of them and their children."
     
  3. Zeno

    Zeno Guest

    Bruce Johnston wrote:
    > Well, that won't bode well for his squeaky clean image and his causes. But on the other hand, it
    > shouldn't hurt them greatly either.

    Er "won't bode well" with who -- the Pope? "Clean" people don't separate? What century are you
    living in Dude? Who takes separation as a sign of moral turpitude any more? Even Conservative
    Christian Senators get divorced these days and LA is "only" separated.

    I'd say, unless it comes out that LA was physically abusing his wife, "it shouldn't hurt them
    greatly either" is a big understatement. ( When MJ separated from his wife, there was no sign of any
    drop in sneaker sales.) LA wrote a book about his experience with Cancer, not a marriage manual. And
    guess what, Cancer survivors get seperated and divorced too, just like "normal" people.

    zeno
     
  4. Xracer

    Xracer Guest

    On 22 Feb 2003 08:41:56 -0800, [email protected] (brian roth) wrote:
    >
    >Saturday, February 22, 2003
    >
    >Lance and Kristin Armstrong, one of the highest-profile couples in international sports, said
    >Friday that they have separated after 4 1/2 years of marriage.

    Just F-ing great....

    Now we will be barraged with the race analysts determination on how this is affecting his
    performace, along with all the cancer treatment stories. And there will be much less actual race
    coverage..

    X
     
  5. "zeno" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Bruce Johnston wrote:
    > > Well, that won't
    > > bode well for his squeaky clean image and his causes. But on the other
    hand,
    > > it shouldn't hurt them greatly either.
    >
    > Er "won't bode well" with who -- the Pope? "Clean" people don't separate?

    You're asking me?

    What century are you living in Dude? Who takes separation as
    > a sign of moral turpitude any more?

    Again, reading into it.

    Even Conservative Christian Senators
    > get divorced these days and LA is "only" separated.
    >
    > I'd say, unless it comes out that LA was physically abusing his wife, "it shouldn't hurt them
    > greatly either" is a big understatement.

    no it won't, but [if] she isn't there for the TDF, that could have an impact, plus any rumors could
    haunt any cycling star, as they have in the past, when they accused him of taking drugs. If he is
    really having problems at home during the TDF, then that will affect him. I am always suspect about
    any women that doesn't stand behind her man, especially Lance and his causes. Just because they are
    seperated doesn't mean that she doesn't support him but it doesn't help either, and it's not great
    for the Tour either. Remember how proud Lance was on the podium with his wife and child at the TDF.

    ( When
    > MJ separated from his wife, there was no sign of any drop in sneaker sales.)

    Lance doesn't carry the star power that MJ or MJ carries. When the other MJ was accused of
    fooling around with young boys, it didn't affect his star power. It all depends on how big of a
    star you are. Cycling is not a top sport here in the US, and in the huge scheme of things Lance
    is average star when compared to all the other big stars for Top Sports. Since he's on track to
    win 5 tours, that will put him up there with the biggest stars. At least for a while and
    especially if he wins six.

    LA wrote a book about his experience with Cancer, not a marriage
    > manual. And guess what, Cancer survivors get seperated and divorced too, just like
    > "normal" people.

    yes they do, as if you are implying it was Lances fault.

    >
    > zeno
     
  6. "Bruce Johnston" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    > Lance doesn't carry the star power that MJ or MJ carries. When the other
    MJ
    > was accused of fooling around with young boys, it didn't affect his star power. It all depends on
    > how big of a star you are. Cycling is not a top sport here in the US, and in the huge scheme of
    > things Lance is average
    star
    > when compared to all the other big stars for Top Sports.

    Bruce, you really have your head up your ass. Just because most racers get zero recognition doesn't
    mean that LANCE doesn't.

    From: http://www.msnbc.com/news/586866.asp

    EVANSTON, Ill., June 13 - Watch out, Tiger. Women are gaining on you. Tiger Woods ranks as sports'
    most appealing product endorser for the third straight year, beating out Michael Jordan, according
    to an annual survey by Burns Sports & Celebrities Inc., a sports marketing firm. But three women
    cracked this year's list for the first time: tennis' Anna Kournikova, soccer 's Mia Hamm and track's
    Marion Jones.

    They ranked fourth through sixth among vote-getters in the survey of more than 1,500 advertising
    agency and corporate marketing executives nationwide. Neither Jordan nor the No. 3 sports celebrity,
    cyclist Lance Armstrong, was close to Woods in the survey.

    <snip>

    Rounding out the top 10 endorsers were Andre Agassi, Muhammad Ali, Kobe Bryant and Wayne Gretzky.

    <snip><end>

    Note that LANCE ranked ahead of all football players, all baseball players and all hockey players,
    even ahead of Wayne Gretzky.

    thank you very much,

    K. Gringioni sports marketing executive
     
  7. Andy Coggan

    Andy Coggan Guest

    "zeno" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Bruce Johnston wrote:
    > > Well, that won't
    > > bode well for his squeaky clean image and his causes. But on the other
    hand,
    > > it shouldn't hurt them greatly either.
    >
    > Er "won't bode well" with who -- the Pope? "Clean" people don't separate? What century are you
    > living in Dude? Who takes separation as a sign of moral turpitude any more? Even Conservative
    > Christian Senators get divorced these days and LA is "only" separated.
    >
    > I'd say, unless it comes out that LA was physically abusing his wife, "it shouldn't hurt them
    > greatly either" is a big understatement. ( When MJ separated from his wife, there was no sign
    > of any drop in sneaker sales.) LA wrote a book about his experience with Cancer, not a
    > marriage manual. And guess what, Cancer survivors get seperated and divorced too, just like
    > "normal" people.

    Oh, the irony....

    Andy Coggan
     
  8. Trdina

    Trdina Guest

    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in message

    > Note that LANCE ranked ahead of all football players, all baseball players and all hockey players,
    > even ahead of Wayne Gretzky.
    >

    All that list is reflects is who dumbasses and dipshit chicks recognize. Take a look at Gretzky, for
    instance. When they were both in their prime, Lemieux was twice the player that Gretzky was (and
    Lemieux smoked). The only reason that Gretzky gets any attention from US advertisers is because he
    moved to LA and married Janet Jones (or whatever that Hollywood Trophy's name was before it was
    Janet Gretzky).

    BTW: Lemieux is also a cancer survivor....
     
  9. "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Bruce Johnston" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > Lance doesn't carry the star power that MJ or MJ carries. When the other
    > MJ
    > > was accused of fooling around with young boys, it didn't affect his star power. It all depends
    > > on how big of a star you are. Cycling is not a top sport here in the US, and in the huge scheme
    > > of things Lance is average
    > star
    > > when compared to all the other big stars for Top Sports.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Bruce, you really have your head up your ass. Just because most racers get zero recognition
    > doesn't mean that LANCE doesn't.

    No, you do. You are mostly just a troublemaker in this newsgroup and hardly worth responding too,
    but you just answered your own question. Lance is a superstar in cycling, but since cycling isn't
    Top Sport, Lance doesn't get the reconiztion he deserves. He's on comcast commericals and a few
    others but he doesn't command Top Sports superstar status that other's enjoy. Don't read too much
    into it, it's not worth arguing about. The survey you provided puts him at number 3, that's
    interesting, but that's just one survey by one sports marketing firm. Is that the best data you can
    provide? I be interested to see other surveys but it's not worth arguing about.

    B-

    >
    > From: http://www.msnbc.com/news/586866.asp
    >
    > EVANSTON, Ill., June 13 - Watch out, Tiger. Women are gaining on you.
    Tiger
    > Woods ranks as sports' most appealing product endorser for the third straight year, beating out
    > Michael Jordan, according to an annual survey
    by
    > Burns Sports & Celebrities Inc., a sports marketing firm. But three women cracked this year's list
    > for the first time: tennis' Anna Kournikova,
    soccer
    > 's Mia Hamm and track's Marion Jones.
    >
    > They ranked fourth through sixth among vote-getters in the survey of more than 1,500 advertising
    > agency and corporate marketing executives
    nationwide.
    > Neither Jordan nor the No. 3 sports celebrity, cyclist Lance Armstrong,
    was
    > close to Woods in the survey.
    >
    > <snip>
    >
    > Rounding out the top 10 endorsers were Andre Agassi, Muhammad Ali, Kobe Bryant and Wayne Gretzky.
    >
    > <snip><end>
    >
    >
    >
    > Note that LANCE ranked ahead of all football players, all baseball players and all hockey players,
    > even ahead of Wayne Gretzky.
    >
    >
    >
    > thank you very much,
    >
    >
    >
    > K. Gringioni sports marketing executive
     
  10. Dave

    Dave Guest

    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Bruce Johnston" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > Lance doesn't carry the star power that MJ or MJ carries. When the other
    > MJ
    > > was accused of fooling around with young boys, it didn't affect his star power. It all depends
    > > on how big of a star you are. Cycling is not a top sport here in the US, and in the huge scheme
    > > of things Lance is average
    > star
    > > when compared to all the other big stars for Top Sports.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Bruce, you really have your head up your ass. Just because most racers get zero recognition
    > doesn't mean that LANCE doesn't.
    >
    > From: http://www.msnbc.com/news/586866.asp
    >
    > EVANSTON, Ill., June 13 - Watch out, Tiger. Women are gaining on you. Tiger Woods ranks as sports'
    > most appealing product endorser for the third straight year, beating out Michael Jordan, according
    > to an annual survey by Burns Sports & Celebrities Inc., a sports marketing firm. But three women
    > cracked this year's list for the first time: tennis' Anna Kournikova, soccer 's Mia Hamm and
    > track's Marion Jones.
    >
    > They ranked fourth through sixth among vote-getters in the survey of more than 1,500 advertising
    > agency and corporate marketing executives nationwide. Neither Jordan nor the No. 3 sports
    > celebrity, cyclist Lance Armstrong, was close to Woods in the survey.
    >
    > <snip>
    >
    > Rounding out the top 10 endorsers were Andre Agassi, Muhammad Ali, Kobe Bryant and Wayne Gretzky.
    >
    > <snip><end>
    >
    >
    >
    > Note that LANCE ranked ahead of all football players, all baseball players and all hockey players,
    > even ahead of Wayne Gretzky.
    >
    >
    >
    > thank you very much,
    >
    >
    >
    > K. Gringioni sports marketing executive

    When Lance gets 1/2 as much as Tiger gets from AMX or Nike, Then I may remotely agree with you. MJ
    retired from the sport and STILL had huge endorsement contracts. When Lance retires...I doubt he
    gets anywhere near what he is getting now. Dave
     
  11. "Bruce Johnston" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >
    > >
    > > Bruce, you really have your head up your ass. Just because most racers
    get
    > > zero recognition doesn't mean that LANCE doesn't.
    >
    > No, you do. You are mostly just a troublemaker in this newsgroup and
    hardly
    > worth responding too, but you just answered your own question. Lance is a superstar in cycling,
    > but since cycling isn't Top Sport, Lance doesn't get the reconiztion he deserves. He's on
    > comcast commericals and a few others but he doesn't command Top Sports superstar status that
    > other's enjoy.

    First of all, let me say that people who have their head up their ass will cling to an opinion at
    all costs, no matter what evidence there is to the contrary.

    Mutlinational corporations do not pay Niche cycling stars $10 million/year for endorsements.

    >Don't read too much into it, it's not worth arguing about. The survey you
    provided
    > puts him at number 3, that's interesting, but that's just one survey by
    one
    > sports marketing firm. Is that the best data you can provide?

    It's infinitely better than the data you provided which was: NONE. Here's another survey:

    From: http://www.bermudasun.org/archives/2000-08-09/03Business11/

    TIGER and MJ are on any short list of the top sports-ad spokespersons, but pedaling up from the pack
    is Lance Armstrong, winner of back-to-back Tour de France bike races. Armstrong, who courageously
    won a bout with cancer, ranks No. 4 on a top 10 list of endorsers who have the most appeal to ad
    agency and corporate marketing execs. He trails only Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan and Shaquille
    O'Neal, respectively

    <snip>

    So Bruce, until you can show some data other than your-head-up-your-ass opinion, perhaps you should
    shut up. That would be good for you, but bad for
    me.

    What the hell am I talking about? Bruce Johnston knows more about that stuff than advertising and
    marketing executives.

    I apologize for challenging your exalted opinion. Please forgive me

    n. Gringioni former rbr troublemaker now a disciple of head-up-his-ass Bruce Johnston

    http://members.aol.com/evank40767/arguing.jpg
     
  12. "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...

    > When Lance gets 1/2 as much as Tiger gets from AMX or Nike, Then I may
    remotely agree with you. MJ
    > retired from the sport and STILL had huge endorsement contracts. When
    Lance retires...I doubt he
    > gets anywhere near what he is getting now.

    LANCE isn't #3 on the list because he's won the TdF 4 times.

    LANCE is #3 because of the Cancer Deathbed Story. Soccermom doesn't know the difference between 2
    TdF victories and 10 TdF victories. Neither do most of those who agonize because a friend or
    relative has the disease. If LANCE retires with his image intact (no USPS drug scandals) he will
    still be the living symbol of hope for the Cancer Victims.

    It has very little to do with cycling. A mere bike racer could never make it that high on the list
    in America.

    K. Gringioni rbr sociologist
     
  13. Uh, Brian, just because Jordan is playing now doesn't change the fact that he did in fact retire
    previously. Played a little baseball, remember?

    -CM

    Christopher Moyer

    On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, hold my beer and watch this... wrote:

    >
    > "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >
    > > MJ retired from the sport
    >
    > Douchebag:
    >
    > http://www.nba.com/playerfile/michael_jordan/index.html?nav=page
    >
    > Thanks, Brian
     
  14. On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, hold my beer and watch this... wrote:

    >
    > "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >
    > > MJ retired from the sport
    >
    > Douchebag:
    >
    > http://www.nba.com/playerfile/michael_jordan/index.html?nav=page

    which states:

    CAREER TRANSACTIONS Selected after junior season by the Chicago Bulls in the first round (third pick
    overall) of the 1984 NBA Draft....Announced retirement on
    10/6/93....Activated from retirement on 3/18/95....Announced retirement on
    10/6/94....Activated from retirement on 9/25/01....Signed as a free agent with the Washington
    Wizards on 9/25/01.

    -CM

    > Thanks, Brian
     
  15. "trdina" <[email protected]> wrote in news:[email protected]:

    > All that list is reflects is who dumbasses and dipshit chicks recognize. Take a look at Gretzky,
    > for instance. When they were both in their prime, Lemieux was twice the player that Gretzky was
    > (and Lemieux smoked). The only reason that Gretzky gets any attention from US advertisers is
    > because he moved to LA and married Janet Jones (or whatever that Hollywood Trophy's name was
    > before it was Janet Gretzky).
    >
    > BTW: Lemieux is also a cancer survivor....

    You're showing your ignorance of hockey here.

    I'm not expert, but I know Gretzky holds the record for most goals scored (among others). He also
    won the Stanley Cup (the NHL championship, for the hockey illiterate out there) at least a couple of
    times with the Edmonton Oilers.

    Last time I checked, Lemieux had done neither of these.

    - Boyd
     
  16. Steve

    Steve Guest

    Appeal and $ received for endorsements are 2 different things assclown......

    Quit trying so hard. I thought you said you were leaving for good before??

    On 2/22/03 2:38 PM, in article [email protected], "Kurgan Gringioni"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    > "Bruce Johnston" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >>
    >>>
    >>> Bruce, you really have your head up your ass. Just because most racers
    > get
    >>> zero recognition doesn't mean that LANCE doesn't.
    >>
    >> No, you do. You are mostly just a troublemaker in this newsgroup and
    > hardly
    >> worth responding too, but you just answered your own question. Lance is a superstar in cycling,
    >> but since cycling isn't Top Sport, Lance doesn't get the reconiztion he deserves. He's on
    >> comcast commericals and a few others but he doesn't command Top Sports superstar status that
    >> other's enjoy.
    >
    > First of all, let me say that people who have their head up their ass will cling to an opinion at
    > all costs, no matter what evidence there is to the contrary.
    >
    > Mutlinational corporations do not pay Niche cycling stars $10 million/year for endorsements.
    >
    >> Don't read too much into it, it's not worth arguing about. The survey you
    > provided
    >> puts him at number 3, that's interesting, but that's just one survey by
    > one
    >> sports marketing firm. Is that the best data you can provide?
    >
    >
    > It's infinitely better than the data you provided which was: NONE. Here's another survey:
    >
    > From: http://www.bermudasun.org/archives/2000-08-09/03Business11/
    >
    > TIGER and MJ are on any short list of the top sports-ad spokespersons, but pedaling up from the
    > pack is Lance Armstrong, winner of back-to-back Tour de France bike races. Armstrong, who
    > courageously won a bout with cancer, ranks No. 4 on a top 10 list of endorsers who have the most
    > appeal to ad agency and corporate marketing execs. He trails only Tiger Woods, Michael Jordan and
    > Shaquille O'Neal, respectively
    >
    > <snip>
    >
    >
    > So Bruce, until you can show some data other than your-head-up-your-ass opinion, perhaps you
    > should shut up. That would be good for you, but bad for
    > me.
    >
    > What the hell am I talking about? Bruce Johnston knows more about that stuff than advertising and
    > marketing executives.
    >
    > I apologize for challenging your exalted opinion. Please forgive me
    >
    >
    >
    > K. Gringioni former rbr troublemaker now a disciple of head-up-his-ass Bruce Johnston
    >
    > http://members.aol.com/evank40767/arguing.jpg
     
  17. Steve

    Steve Guest

    Wrong again assclown..........

    It is because of his cancer AND he went on to be the worlds best cyclist.........

    Too many people have had cancer. How many people survived cancer AND accomplished his
    physical feats??

    On 2/22/03 2:54 PM, in article [email protected], "Kurgan "AssClown"
    Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    > "Dave" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    >
    >> When Lance gets 1/2 as much as Tiger gets from AMX or Nike, Then I may
    > remotely agree with you. MJ
    >> retired from the sport and STILL had huge endorsement contracts. When
    > Lance retires...I doubt he
    >> gets anywhere near what he is getting now.
    >
    >
    >

    >
    > LANCE isn't #3 on the list because he's won the TdF 4 times.
    >
    > LANCE is #3 because of the Cancer Deathbed Story. Soccermom doesn't know the difference between 2
    > TdF victories and 10 TdF victories. Neither do most of those who agonize because a friend or
    > relative has the disease. If LANCE retires with his image intact (no USPS drug scandals) he will
    > still be the living symbol of hope for the Cancer Victims.
    >
    > It has very little to do with cycling. A mere bike racer could never make it that high on the list
    > in America.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > K. Gringioni rbr sociologist
     
  18. Listen you jackass sack of shit. If you were to say that to my face, I would put you on your back in
    a texas second. You are a sports marketing executive that probaby sits on his ass all day. You
    probably don't even ride a bike. It's nice to sit behind a PC and talk shit and say things you would
    not normally say in public. Do you normally go around telling people in the office that they have
    their heads up their ass? I didn't train in Martial Arts for 12 years to take shit like that from
    you. I hope I don't run into your sorry ass, because I am sure I will kick it!!

    kiss off sports marketing executive jackass...
    --------------------
    "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    >
    > "Bruce Johnston" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...

    > So Bruce, until you can show some data other than your-head-up-your-ass opinion, perhaps you
    > should shut up. That would be good for you, but bad
    for
    > me.
    >
    > What the hell am I talking about? Bruce Johnston knows more about that
    stuff
    > than advertising and marketing executives.
    >
    > I apologize for challenging your exalted opinion. Please forgive me
    >
    >
    >
    > K. Gringioni former rbr troublemaker now a disciple of head-up-his-ass Bruce Johnston
    >
    > http://members.aol.com/evank40767/arguing.jpg
     
  19. "Bruce Johnston" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    > Listen you jackass sack of shit. If you were to say that to my face, I
    would
    > put you on your back in a texas second.

    How many Texas seconds are in a New York minute? Are drawls a factor?
     
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