sploush said:Organisers of the tour asked his Astana-Würth team to pull out of the race.
Major blow for Vinokourov.
The organizers cited the rule "damage caused to the image of a race".
After today's allegations in EL PAIS I think the image of racing is already damaged.
"asked to pull out"DiabloScott said:I hope they let me change my fantasy team if that happens!
I think Astana-Wurth will start. The only way to keep them out would be to yank their ProTour license and the UCI seems against that right now. Asking the team to pull out is ridiculous - they just landed a new sponsor that paid huge coin to be in it.
You beat me to it...... Let's look at this situation. Vino is going to another team ..... Let's think. He looks good in blue. DISCOVERY!!!!!! Bruyneel announces him as team captain on Thursday. Bruyneel has had this figured out all along. Ullrich gets pulled out of the TDF by his alleged problem, Basso rides under the limit to get people not to look at him, and Vino wins Bruyneels 8th TDF!!!!! YEAH!!!!!!bobke said:"asked to pull out"
"major blow"
Is this about doping or sex?
And I thought this was a family oriented forum!!
Say that again musette????musette said:No, it wouldn't be. It would just be a blow to Vino and AS.
What if he's not?seriouslydog said:On another conspiracy theory note, what if Jan is clean but is being framed?
davidbod said:Everyones been trying understandably to figure out what other rider "JAN" and "Son of Rudy" could mean, but we still have that news about Sevilla saying Jan is involved.
Why not let them ride, but force them to give DNA samples before the prologue. Then compare them to the blood bags seized by the Spanish. On the last day kick out whovever matches a blood bag and then let the clean riders continue to Paris for victory.
davidbod said:Everyones been trying understandably to figure out what other rider "JAN" and "Son of Rudy" could mean, but we still have that news about Sevilla saying Jan is involved.
Why not let them ride, but force them to give DNA samples before the prologue. Then compare them to the blood bags seized by the Spanish. On the last day kick out whovever matches a blood bag and then let the clean riders continue to Paris for victory.
limerickman said:DNA is a good solution.
But I go back to the UCI on this.
After 1998, the UCI should have legislated that each riders DNA be recorded and that all subsequent testing be cross-referenced to DNA to identify the blood of the rider tested.
The UCI refused to go down this route citing legal challenges etc.
i guess that is why comunidad valenciana volunteered their owned blood so that it could be compared against the blood collected to prove that they are not involved?whiteboytrash said:Agreed and French do this already to a degree. They are found beyond in other nation in terms of dope controls. Each rider has to report once a month and provide samples. Regardless of where they are in world.
They can't use DNA on the Spainish blood because they have nothing to match it with and they can't force riders give DNA samples. In addtion UCI rules state that they can't use the blood they collect for any other reason that for health tests. A rider cannot be suspended from the blood gathered for a health test.
Just like a crime scene, free flowing blood is fair game! You don't need a warrant to get a blood sample - all of these riders crash at some point. You just need to have teams of WADA staff out at the races with Q-tips and baggies collecting the blood on the pavement! You'd have the whole pro line up of riders catalogued in a season or two.limerickman said:DNA is a good solution.
But I go back to the UCI on this.
After 1998, the UCI should have legislated that each riders DNA be recorded and that all subsequent testing be cross-referenced to DNA to identify the blood of the rider tested.
The UCI refused to go down this route citing legal challenges etc.
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