atkins vs SCD

Discussion in 'Food and nutrition' started by [email protected], Dec 27, 2005.

  1. Hey now, I've been on SCD for the past 3 years, and its nothing even
    close to Atkins.

    The main difference between Atkins, and SCD, is this.....

    Atkins people count carb points, SCD people DO NOT count points.

    Atkins people eat any type of carb they want, they just have to count
    the points for it.
    SCD people, however, exclude "specific" types of carbs from the diet,
    thats ALL we do.
    We exclude what we call "complex" or "chain molecule" sugars and
    carbohydrates from the diet.

    This isn't any more restrictive then Atkins, because there are recipes
    for breads, cereals, yogurts, all sorts of things that aren't covered
    under Atkins. Basically, there's a recipe for "everything" except
    chocolate, but we have brownies, cookies, cakes, all sorts of stuff.

    The thing thats bad about Atkins, is the high amounts of Protein.
    High amounts of Protein, are not safe for the liver and kidneys,

    we on SCD, don't take this approach, we simply excluse complex and
    chain molecule sugars from the diet, which never hurt anyone, because
    its what the small intestines absorbs and exits as waste material thru
    the large intestines anyway. We still get sugar in our diet, the
    allowed sugars are "natural" sugars, found in fresh fruits and
    vegetables, bananas, honey, anything thats got "natural" sugar in it.
    Man-made, or table sugars, is what we stay away from. Only
    disadvantage of the diet is everything has to be prepared homemade,
    which isn't a big deal since alot of diets are like that.

    You guys can find out more about this diet at my forum:
    http://www.crohnsdaily.com

    I have Crohn's Disease, which is how I got started on the diet in the
    first place, since things like immune suppressors, Remicade, Asacol,
    antibiotics, etc don't work very well for me.

    The idea behind SCD is quite simple:

    "by excluding table-sugars from the diet, we attempt to starve the bad
    bacteria in the body. This apprach, helps to balance out the bacteria
    levels in the body, responsible for intestinal disorders and
    inflammation. Once the bad bacteria is being starved, then we use
    whats called Acidophilus, to get the good bacteria back into the body,
    that the bad bacteria and antibiiotics stole from us to begin with.
    This disruptive bacterial inbalance is whats believed to cause crohn's
    disease and the immune system to get all thrown out of wack so to
    speak"

    or by visiting Elaine's webiste at:
    http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

    take care,

    Tom (bubazoo)
     
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  2. Marengo

    Marengo Guest

    [email protected] wrote:

    || The thing thats bad about Atkins, is the high amounts of Protein.
    || High amounts of Protein, are not safe for the liver and kidneys,
    ||
    || Tom (bubazoo)

    Where do these brain-dead idiots come from? They could at least read up on
    a subject before they run their mouth spreading grosss misinformation in
    absolute, moronic ignorance of the subject. Even newbies to Atkins know
    that it is high-fat, moderate protein, low carb. There is nothing "high
    protein" about it. It is about reducing carbs, not increasing protein. And
    even if it were -- which it is not -- high protein diets are perfectly safe
    for anyone with normal kidneys or liver. I can't beleieve these freaking
    trolls actually believe the utter nonsense that they try to spreadd!.
    --
    Peter
     
  3. "Marengo Dec 28, 1:44 am show options

    There is nothing "high protein" about it. It is about reducing carbs,
    not increasing protein. "

    I guess that depends on how you define high protein. If you reduce
    carbs, which for many was very high before starting LC, then the diet
    has to shift to more fat and/or protein. Precentage wise, I would
    expect that the diet of people following Atkins is significantly higher
    in protein than it was before they started.
     
  4. [email protected] wrote:
    >
    > Atkins people eat any type of carb they want, they just have to count
    > the points for it.


    You clearly don't have the slightest clue what Atkins is. Are you
    aware that there are books on the topic? You know. Printed
    sheets of paper with cardboard covers. You do seem to have
    read some of those book things on subjects other than Atkins,
    so why not try the ones on Atkins?

    > The thing thats bad about Atkins, is the high amounts of Protein.
    > High amounts of Protein, are not safe for the liver and kidneys,


    Utter nonsense. Not what Atkins is combined with a completely
    false statement about how non-Atkins effects organs.

    > The idea behind SCD is quite simple:
    >
    > "by excluding table-sugars from the diet, we attempt to starve the bad
    > bacteria in the body. This apprach, helps to balance out the bacteria
    > levels in the body, responsible for intestinal disorders and
    > inflammation. Once the bad bacteria is being starved, then we use
    > whats called Acidophilus, to get the good bacteria back into the body,
    > that the bad bacteria and antibiiotics stole from us to begin with.
    > This disruptive bacterial inbalance is whats believed to cause crohn's
    > disease and the immune system to get all thrown out of wack so to
    > speak"


    Good stuff. You really need to stick with what you DO know so
    you come across as a well informed expert rather than blithering
    on about stuff you don't have a clue so you come across as an
    idiot. Care to cut away all the incorrect commetary about Atkins
    and repost only the stuff you do know about?

    The parts about getting the balance of intestinal floral correct is a
    small portion of the Atkins process and it is one of the parts that
    is poorly written in the book. It doesn't seem like Dr A knew the
    topic nearlyas well as you do. You should expand on that part
    and completely drop your Atkins commentary.
     
  5. <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    > Hey now, I've been on SCD for the past 3 years, and its nothing even
    > close to Atkins.
    >
    > The main difference between Atkins, and SCD, is this.....
    >
    > Atkins people count carb points, SCD people DO NOT count points.
    >
    > Atkins people eat any type of carb they want, they just have to count
    > the points for it.
    > SCD people, however, exclude "specific" types of carbs from the diet,
    > thats ALL we do.
    > We exclude what we call "complex" or "chain molecule" sugars and
    > carbohydrates from the diet.
    >
    > This isn't any more restrictive then Atkins, because there are recipes
    > for breads, cereals, yogurts, all sorts of things that aren't covered
    > under Atkins. Basically, there's a recipe for "everything" except
    > chocolate, but we have brownies, cookies, cakes, all sorts of stuff.
    >
    > The thing thats bad about Atkins, is the high amounts of Protein.
    > High amounts of Protein, are not safe for the liver and kidneys,


    Nonsense. No need to read further. Poster is a troll.
     
  6. Tara

    Tara Guest

    "Tom Coburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:D[email protected]
    > anyways, atkin "IS" low carb, low fat, and "HIGH" protein!


    Um, there's no way that Atkins is low fat. People can manage it so that it
    is low fat, but Dr Atkins never designed it that way.

    Tara
     
  7. Quit calling Atkins high protein, you TROLL!! You keep doing that around
    here and you'll get your ass kicked!

    --
    Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW


    "Tom Coburn" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:D[email protected]ews.uswest.net...
    >
    > anyways, atkin "IS" low carb, low fat, and "HIGH" protein!
    >
     
  8. [email protected] wrote:

    > There is nothing "high protein" about it. It is about reducing carbs,
    > not increasing protein. "
    >
    > I guess that depends on how you define high protein. If you reduce
    > carbs, which for many was very high before starting LC, then the diet
    > has to shift to more fat and/or protein. Precentage wise, I would
    > expect that the diet of people following Atkins is significantly higher
    > in protein than it was before they started.


    I don't think so.

    It seems to me, on low-carb I eat way more of my diet as veggies.
    Granted, that's not more in terms of percentage of calories, but as the
    actual volume of food. Likely, the largest increase in a low-carb diet
    for me is in fiber, vitamins and minerals.

    In terms of calories, it's a high-fat diet for me. Raw veggies are
    generally dressed with ranch dressing or oil and vinegar, cooked
    veggies have butter added or are stir-fried in oil. I insist my
    veggies be yummy, so if I'm eating sliced cucumbers, I'm dipping them
    in sour cream. So, for me, eating more veggies increases my fat
    consumption significantly.

    Given the actual serving size of meats, eggs and dairy that I eat, I
    believe I'm ingesting *less* protein than on a high-carb diet. For
    example, I could easily eat 8 oz of hamburger (or more) with buns
    and/or fries, but 4 oz is satisfying stir-fried with a quarter of a
    cabbage head, some ginger, garlic and soy sauce.

    My recent intake is about 60-70% calories from fat, 20-30% from protein
    and 10-15% from carbs at 1300-1500 kilocalories. I am not restricting
    calories, just that the high level of fat and large bulk of veggies
    results in a relatively low-calorie diet.
     
  9. Marengo

    Marengo Guest

    Tom Coburn wrote:
    ||
    ||
    || I am NOT a troll! I posted this on Google groups
    ||
    || NOT HERE!!
    ||
    || how the **** it got here I have NO ****ING IDEA!!
    ||
    || don't call me a troll again, I am warning you!
    ||

    Not only are you a troll, but you are an ignorant troll.
     
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