that's the question. all I know is it is a pump and glucose monitor all rolled into one unit. anyone got a picture or other info? dave
On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:26:44 GMT, in misc.health.diabetes Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>that's the question. all I know is it is a pump and >>glucose monitor all= =20 >>rolled into one unit. anyone got a picture or other info? >> >>dave Don't know about the 515, but if they've combined a pump with a meter all= in one, i hope they do a slicker job than the bd meter they've tied to my = new 712 paradigm pump. I like the pump well enough, but the meter sucks. It, = and it's case, are way to big for convenient carrying, yet the vial they put the = strips in is too small for even a small finger, making it tricky as hell to get = a strip out of the vial. Then the slot into which the strip fits in the meter is= hard to see, and a bit hard to find, at least when the light isn't so good. = Just not a good design. But the real kicker is that I don't think it's accurate. = I've got several meters already, and have been comparing them to the bd. = Yesterday, feelling a little jittery, I wondered if I'd maybe overbolused, and = checked with the bd meter. It beeped, and reported a bg of 140. Sent that via radio = link to the pump. All well and good. The pump suggested a bolus to bring it = back down. I, however, damn well know what an impending hypo feels like, even if the feelings aren't that reliable any more. So on a hunch, I checked again = with both my lifescan meter and my therasense one. These two reported a bg of respectively, 77 and 81, which rather matched well with how I felt. So I retested with the bd meter too, and this time it reported 102. All this = within the span of a couple minutes, without another bolus or carb intake. =20 Much though I like the bit of the meter automatically sending the reading= to the pump, frankly, I'm kinda deciding not to use the bd meter, and go back to= my thereasense tracker, which though it doesn't radio link to the pump, = makes keeping a logbook a lot simpler for me. And since actually doing = anything with the bg reading the pump recieves still requires pushing some buttons on = the pump, I don't think I'm missing too much of a feature. Any thoughts? Peter Rowe Seattle (new to the group, but not to diabetes. 37 years T1. first wore a pump = in the early 80s (the big blue brick I'm told it was called, though i recall a = charcoal color. Autosyringe brand... Had to go off it again after a couple years= after getting too many adhesions and knots in the fatty tissue due to = irritation from the steel infusion needles. Only just recently figured things had gotton= better in the years since, and no longer happy with A1C. It used to be around = 7, but has slowly edged up to 7.4. Endo isn't too unhappy, but I'd prefer = lower. Niaspan prolly has something to do with it, as did the sometimes dramatic= spikes I'd get. Hopeing the pump will let me better control things.)
Peter, relax, I'd imagine the technology will be either identical to or similar to the Guardian CGM, NOT the stupid BD meter! dave Peter W. Rowe wrote: > On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:26:44 GMT, in misc.health.diabetes > Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>that's the question. all I know is it is a pump and >>>glucose monitor all rolled into one unit. anyone got a >>>picture or other info? >>> >>>dave > > > Don't know about the 515, but if they've combined a pump > with a meter all in one, i hope they do a slicker job than > the bd meter they've tied to my new 712 paradigm pump. I > like the pump well enough, but the meter sucks. It, and > it's case, are way to big for convenient carrying, yet the > vial they put the strips in is too small for even a small > finger, making it tricky as hell to get a strip out of the > vial. Then the slot into which the strip fits in the meter > is hard to see, and a bit hard to find, at least when the > light isn't so good. Just not a good design. But the real > kicker is that I don't think it's accurate. I've got > several meters already, and have been comparing them to > the bd. Yesterday, feelling a little jittery, I wondered > if I'd maybe overbolused, and checked with the bd meter. > It beeped, and reported a bg of 140. Sent that via radio > link to the pump. All well and good. The pump suggested a > bolus to bring it back down. I, however, damn well know > what an impending hypo feels like, even if the feelings > aren't that reliable any more. So on a hunch, I checked > again with both my lifescan meter and my therasense one. > These two reported a bg of respectively, 77 and 81, which > rather matched well with how I felt. So I retested with > the bd meter too, and this time it reported 102. All this > within the span of a couple minutes, without another bolus > or carb intake. > > Much though I like the bit of the meter automatically > sending the reading to the pump, frankly, I'm kinda > deciding not to use the bd meter, and go back to my > thereasense tracker, which though it doesn't radio link to > the pump, makes keeping a logbook a lot simpler for me. > And since actually doing anything with the bg reading the > pump recieves still requires pushing some buttons on the > pump, I don't think I'm missing too much of a feature. > > Any thoughts? > > Peter Rowe Seattle (new to the group, but not to diabetes. > 37 years T1. first wore a pump in the early 80s (the big > blue brick I'm told it was called, though i recall a > charcoal color. Autosyringe brand... Had to go off it > again after a couple years after getting too many > adhesions and knots in the fatty tissue due to irritation > from the steel infusion needles. Only just recently > figured things had gotton better in the years since, and > no longer happy with A1C. It used to be around 7, but has > slowly edged up to 7.4. Endo isn't too unhappy, but I'd > prefer lower. Niaspan prolly has something to do with it, > as did the sometimes dramatic spikes I'd get. Hopeing the > pump will let me better control things.)
Peter W. Rowe <[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:26:44 GMT, in misc.health.diabetes > Bay Area Dave <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>that's the question. all I know is it is a pump and >>>glucose monitor all rolled into one unit. anyone got a >>>picture or other info? >>> >>>dave > Don't know about the 515, but if they've combined a pump > with a meter all in one, i hope they do a slicker job than > the bd meter they've tied to my new 712 paradigm pump. I > like the pump well enough, but the meter sucks. It, and > it's case, are way to big for convenient carrying, yet the > vial they put the strips in is too small for even a small > finger, making it tricky as hell to get a strip out of the > vial. Then the slot into which the strip fits in the meter > is hard to see, and a bit hard to find, at least when the > light isn't so good. Just not a good design. You've joined the not so elite club of everyone who has been misled into trying one of these clunkers. All of your points are known to them, but they don't seem to care, nor desire to do anything about it. > But the real kicker is that I don't think it's accurate. > I've got several meters already, and have been comparing > them to the bd. Yesterday, feelling a little jittery, I > wondered if I'd maybe overbolused, and checked with the bd > meter. It beeped, and reported a bg of 140. Sent that via > radio link to the pump. I've had the same experience. > All well and good. The pump suggested a bolus to bring it > back down. I, however, damn well know what an impending > hypo feels like, even if the feelings aren't that > reliable any more. So on a hunch, I checked again with > both my lifescan meter and my therasense one. These two > reported a bg of respectively, 77 and 81, which rather > matched well with how I felt. So I retested with the bd > meter too, and this time it reported 102. All this within > the span of a couple minutes, without another bolus or > carb intake. It would seem that you either need to be an engineer, or a laboratory scientiest to force the meter to read correctly. Apparently, it can be done, but only with precisely 3 microlitres of blood. Too much or too little blood will give a very erroneous reading. This is anything but user friendly. > Much though I like the bit of the meter automatically > sending the reading to the pump, frankly, I'm kinda > deciding not to use the bd meter, and go back to my > thereasense tracker, which though it doesn't radio link to > the pump, makes keeping a logbook a lot simpler for me. > And since actually doing anything with the bg reading the > pump recieves still requires pushing some buttons on the > pump, I don't think I'm missing too much of a feature. This meter has only 2 things going for it. The radio link to the pump, which would be awesome if the readings were worthwhile, and the speed in which you can get erroneous readings. I can get 10 bad readings with this meter in the time it takes me to get 1 good reading from my Bayer. I still rely on the Bayer. Best, Randy
Peter W. Rowe wrote: > Much though I like the bit of the meter automatically > sending the reading to the pump, frankly, I'm kinda > deciding not to use the bd meter, and go back to my > thereasense tracker, which though it doesn't radio link to > the pump, makes keeping a logbook a lot simpler for me. > And since actually doing anything with the bg reading the > pump recieves still requires pushing some buttons on the > pump, I don't think I'm missing too much of a feature. My first meter was a OneTouch Ultra. About a month before I got my Minimed 512 and the accompanying meter by BD, I upgraded the Ultra to an UltraSmart. I love my UltraSmart and still use it to this day. I did a couple of side by side tests between my UltraSmart and the piece of junk BD calls a meter and was shocked to see how different they were. I put the BD meter back in the box and put it on a shelf in my medicine cabinet - it might see use if my UltraSmart ever gives up the ghost. That is, it will see use only until I get a replacement UltraSmart. Sure it has the convenience of the radio link, but given its innacuracy, I can not bring myself to even think of using it when I have an alternative. Peace
My wife and I both use the UltraSmart. we LOVE it. She tried the BD but got tired of the E-3's. Besides, we've never found another brand of meter that was as reliable, repeatable, and fast as the Ultras. dave southpaw wrote: > Peter W. Rowe wrote: > >> Much though I like the bit of the meter automatically >> sending the reading to the pump, frankly, I'm kinda >> deciding not to use the bd meter, and go back to my >> thereasense tracker, which though it doesn't radio link >> to the pump, makes keeping a logbook a lot simpler for >> me. And since actually doing anything with the bg reading >> the pump recieves still requires pushing some buttons on >> the pump, I don't think I'm missing too much of a >> feature. > > > My first meter was a OneTouch Ultra. About a month before > I got my Minimed 512 and the accompanying meter by BD, I > upgraded the Ultra to an UltraSmart. I love my UltraSmart > and still use it to this day. > > I did a couple of side by side tests between my UltraSmart > and the piece of junk BD calls a meter and was shocked to > see how different they were. I put the BD meter back in > the box and put it on a shelf in my medicine cabinet - it > might see use if my UltraSmart ever gives up the ghost. > That is, it will see use only until I get a replacement > UltraSmart. Sure it has the convenience of the radio link, > but given its innacuracy, I can not bring myself to even > think of using it when I have an alternative. > > > Peace
