Back in the USA (sorta beer / home report)



"Mark Hickey" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Anyone who's read their mission statement and charter knows. This is
> NOT a group that can be negotiated with or pacified with anything
> short of a world conversion to a Taliban-like society. I'm guessing
> most of us would prefer that didn't happen...
>

We're working hard on a cure but I don't see much happening for prevention.
Killing or threatening to kill people who are willing to die to kill us
doesn't seem like an effective strategy, especially if we aren't working to
prevent recruitment.

Glenn D.
 
Tom Carson wrote:
> "MattB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>>Agreed on all points, but I also don't think this is the place for the
>>discussion.
>>
>>Matt

>
>
> Then tell Gomer to keep quiet
>
>


I think you're missing the point. John's a longtime poster here and has
made many, many great contributions to the group. He posted a message
about how nice it is to be back home. It doesn't have to be a debate.

If you treat people with respect, your opinions might have a decent
chance of reaching someone. If not, then you're just another troll who
gets killfiled and ignored. Your choice.

Matt
 
Mark Hickey wrote:
<snip>

> History will prove GWB right or wrong
> on his approach to the radical Islam problem, no matter what political
> expediency says today.
>


Hey, we agree on something!

Matt
 
Glenn Dowdy wrote:
> "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>
>> Like I said, it's so 90s. Check out current dietary research, cut back on
>> all calories making the reduction more efficient by eating nutritious
>> foods
>> that keep your appetite suppressed for longer.

>
> Oh, I'm up on the new research. Just cutting out beer isn't the only change
> to my diet and activities.
>
>> Whether beer meets that
>> criteria is another matter.

>
> Beer means chips and salsa or popcorn to go with. That's my problem.
>


Beer usually means sunflower seeds for me so no troubles there. Can't
eat them fast enough to get too many calories. When beer means pizza
then I'm in trouble because even bad pizza is one food that I just can't
stop eating. Any other food I can say enough is enough but pizza I'll
just keep eating until it's gone or I've exploded, and, well, I haven't
exploded yet.

Greg
 
"G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Glenn Dowdy wrote:
>> "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> Like I said, it's so 90s. Check out current dietary research, cut back
>>> on
>>> all calories making the reduction more efficient by eating nutritious
>>> foods
>>> that keep your appetite suppressed for longer.

>>
>> Oh, I'm up on the new research. Just cutting out beer isn't the only
>> change to my diet and activities.
>>
>>> Whether beer meets that
>>> criteria is another matter.

>>
>> Beer means chips and salsa or popcorn to go with. That's my problem.
>>

>
> Beer usually means sunflower seeds for me so no troubles there. Can't eat
> them fast enough to get too many calories. When beer means pizza then I'm
> in trouble because even bad pizza is one food that I just can't stop
> eating. Any other food I can say enough is enough but pizza I'll just
> keep eating until it's gone or I've exploded, and, well, I haven't
> exploded yet.
>
> Greg


Commercial or homemade? If you make your own, it's typically much less salt
and fat than your typical boxed creations.
 
"small change" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Glenn Dowdy wrote:
>>> "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>> Like I said, it's so 90s. Check out current dietary research, cut back
>>>> on
>>>> all calories making the reduction more efficient by eating nutritious
>>>> foods
>>>> that keep your appetite suppressed for longer.
>>>
>>> Oh, I'm up on the new research. Just cutting out beer isn't the only
>>> change to my diet and activities.
>>>
>>>> Whether beer meets that
>>>> criteria is another matter.
>>>
>>> Beer means chips and salsa or popcorn to go with. That's my problem.
>>>

>>
>> Beer usually means sunflower seeds for me so no troubles there. Can't
>> eat them fast enough to get too many calories. When beer means pizza
>> then I'm in trouble because even bad pizza is one food that I just can't
>> stop eating. Any other food I can say enough is enough but pizza I'll
>> just keep eating until it's gone or I've exploded, and, well, I haven't
>> exploded yet.
>>
>> Greg

>
> Commercial or homemade? If you make your own, it's typically much less
> salt and fat than your typical boxed creations.
>


just you slow down Mrs. Home Ec.......... not all of us do that sort of
thing......

the thought is there, it's just easier to buy one!

Gary (learned a lot about what diabetics can and can't eat this past
weekend)
 
small change wrote:
> "G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Glenn Dowdy wrote:
>>
>>>"G.T." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>Like I said, it's so 90s. Check out current dietary research, cut back
>>>>on
>>>>all calories making the reduction more efficient by eating nutritious
>>>>foods
>>>>that keep your appetite suppressed for longer.
>>>
>>>Oh, I'm up on the new research. Just cutting out beer isn't the only
>>>change to my diet and activities.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Whether beer meets that
>>>>criteria is another matter.
>>>
>>>Beer means chips and salsa or popcorn to go with. That's my problem.
>>>

>>
>>Beer usually means sunflower seeds for me so no troubles there. Can't eat
>>them fast enough to get too many calories. When beer means pizza then I'm
>>in trouble because even bad pizza is one food that I just can't stop
>>eating. Any other food I can say enough is enough but pizza I'll just
>>keep eating until it's gone or I've exploded, and, well, I haven't
>>exploded yet.
>>
>>Greg

>
>
> Commercial or homemade? If you make your own, it's typically much less salt
> and fat than your typical boxed creations.
>
>


But I love the salt! I'm pretty sure I lose enough through sweat in the
summer that I can have all the salt I crave.

My favorite snack lately (with or without beer) is bulk tamari almonds.
Salty good!

Matt
 
"Glenn Dowdy" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Mark Hickey" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> Anyone who's read their mission statement and charter knows. This is
>> NOT a group that can be negotiated with or pacified with anything
>> short of a world conversion to a Taliban-like society. I'm guessing
>> most of us would prefer that didn't happen...
>>

>We're working hard on a cure but I don't see much happening for prevention.
>Killing or threatening to kill people who are willing to die to kill us
>doesn't seem like an effective strategy, especially if we aren't working to
>prevent recruitment.


The strategy is to take away the state sponsorship, and to introduce
democracy (and alternative news sources) to an area where the local
woes are all blamed on Israel and the US (rather than the inept,
corrupt governments in those countries).

Will it work? Ask me again in 20 years (maybe longer). To me,
there's no good answer, but waiting until state sponsorship results in
REALLY deadly attacks isn't an option either. Kinda like the choice a
cancer patient has to make between chemo and radiation. Doing nothing
is a bad choice there as well.

But on a tangent - ever notice that the jihad leaders who are sending
out the guys willing to die gloriously normally throw down their
weapons and surrender when they're caught? Go figger.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame
 
"MattB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Tom Carson wrote:
>> "MattB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Agreed on all points, but I also don't think this is the place for the
>>>discussion.
>>>
>>>Matt

>>
>>
>> Then tell Gomer to keep quiet

>
> I think you're missing the point. John's a longtime poster here and has
> made many, many great contributions to the group. He posted a message
> about how nice it is to be back home. It doesn't have to be a debate.
>
> If you treat people with respect, your opinions might have a decent chance
> of reaching someone. If not, then you're just another troll who gets
> killfiled and ignored. Your choice.
>
> Matt


So,
Your pal JD's threatening to assault anyone who disagrees with him is ok?
 
Tom Carson wrote:
> "Raptor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> oil's got "nothing" to do with it. Lynn Wallace

>
> ********!! Oil is everything!!


You are being simple-minded. Oil plays a large role, but there is also
the existence of Israel, the vague threat posed by Iran, and of course
the old grudges against Saddam Hussein, and simple geopolitics. There
might actually be a bit of democracy in the motive.

--
Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall

If FDR fought fascism the way Bush fights terrorism, we'd all be
speaking German now.
 
Mark Hickey wrote:
> Raptor <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Al Qaeda is now about leading us Islam, or killing us.

>
> They always were, and always will be about that. It's in their
> charter.


I don't know about that. Have you read their charter?

If it's always been there, then it might well be no more than most
religions' proselytizing edicts. Only recently have they laid down that
particular gantlet. Before, it was about pushing "infidels" out of the
holy lands.

>> Maybe if we
>> vacated the area they'd get tired after a few years and stick to their
>> local flock, but who knows?

>
> Anyone who's read their mission statement and charter knows. This is
> NOT a group that can be negotiated with or pacified with anything
> short of a world conversion to a Taliban-like society. I'm guessing
> most of us would prefer that didn't happen...


It doesn't matter what they want. They've made themselves our enemy and
must be destroyed.

--
Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall

If FDR fought fascism the way Bush fights terrorism, we'd all be
speaking German now.
 
Mark Hickey wrote:
> Raptor <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Mark Hickey wrote:
>>> Well said, John. Though it will fall on the deaf ears of those
>>> convinced due to political expediency that they somehow know more of
>>> what's going on halfway around the world than those who are actually
>>> participating (and re-upping).

>> Why do you assume anyone calling for a change is ignorant?

>
> I'm not. I'm saying that those who claim to know more about local
> conditions in Iraq and Afghanistan are ignorant.


But we've seen a plethora of signs that the top leadership DON'T know
what's going on. And we've also seen the hard numbers, which indicate
that the only thing that's in our favor is the body count. That was
always in our favor, and means nothing against sufficiently determined
enemies.

>> Better
>> question: why do you assume Shrub or Rumsfeld will ever pull their heads
>> out of their asses? And why do you assume defeating radical Islam is
>> their top priority?

>
> Hey, for all I know lunch is their top priority. Other than that, all
> I can do is go by what they CLAIM is their top priority. And it's
> hard to imagine one that's higher right now.


Their claims are the only thing indicating their top priority is winning
the war. A smart person goes beyond claims. We can look at the patterns,
the facts, the reactions to facts. Based on all that, the top priority
of the current people currently in charge is staying in charge.

> But my participation in this thread has gone on long enough (as has
> the thread). Again, I heartily thank John for his service to our
> country, and welcome him home. History will prove GWB right or wrong
> on his approach to the radical Islam problem, no matter what political
> expediency says today.


We already have five years of history, as long as WWII took, and it
doesn't look good for Shrub.

--
Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall

If FDR fought fascism the way Bush fights terrorism, we'd all be
speaking German now.
 
Mark Hickey wrote:
> The strategy is to take away the state sponsorship, and to introduce
> democracy (and alternative news sources) to an area where the local
> woes are all blamed on Israel and the US (rather than the inept,
> corrupt governments in those countries).


The strategy is okay, virtually a no-brainer. The tactics and
implementation is stunningly bad.

> Will it work? Ask me again in 20 years (maybe longer). To me,
> there's no good answer, but waiting until state sponsorship results in
> REALLY deadly attacks isn't an option either. Kinda like the choice a
> cancer patient has to make between chemo and radiation. Doing nothing
> is a bad choice there as well.


Add about five years based on our performance so far. We've lost ground
overall.

> But on a tangent - ever notice that the jihad leaders who are sending
> out the guys willing to die gloriously normally throw down their
> weapons and surrender when they're caught? Go figger.


We don't know the details of the capture of those we've caught. By
contrast, we've killed quite a few. I think it will take a very crafty
operation to capture bin Laden alive, if we ever find him. Again.

Of course, I have more time in uniform than Cheney, Kristol & Wolfowitz.

--
Lynn Wallace http://www.xmission.com/~lawall

If FDR fought fascism the way Bush fights terrorism, we'd all be
speaking German now.
 
Raptor <[email protected]> wrote:

>Mark Hickey wrote:
>> Raptor <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Al Qaeda is now about leading us Islam, or killing us.

>>
>> They always were, and always will be about that. It's in their
>> charter.

>
>I don't know about that. Have you read their charter?


Yes.

>If it's always been there, then it might well be no more than most
>religions' proselytizing edicts. Only recently have they laid down that
>particular gantlet. Before, it was about pushing "infidels" out of the
>holy lands.


No, it's always been about conversion at the edge of a sword, or death
for the infidels. They're opportunistic enough to co-opt other causes
if it helps their end goals (think "Palestine").

>> Anyone who's read their mission statement and charter knows. This is
>> NOT a group that can be negotiated with or pacified with anything
>> short of a world conversion to a Taliban-like society. I'm guessing
>> most of us would prefer that didn't happen...

>
>It doesn't matter what they want. They've made themselves our enemy and
>must be destroyed.


I disagree entirely. It's not necessary to destroy them because
they're our enemies - it's necessary because of their goals. Say you
have two neighbors - one on each side. One hates your car, your
religion (or lack thereof), your kids and your music. Flips you off
every chance he gets. The other has sworn to kill you, your wife and
your kids. I'm guessing you're going to deal with 'em differently.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $795 ti frame
 
JD wrote:
> If you were standing in front of John and
> myself and this was a real conversation, I would punch your lights out.
> That would shut you up.


I'ts not worth the effort.
 
Tom Carson wrote:
> "MattB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>>Tom Carson wrote:
>>
>>>"MattB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Agreed on all points, but I also don't think this is the place for the
>>>>discussion.
>>>>
>>>>Matt
>>>
>>>
>>>Then tell Gomer to keep quiet

>>
>>I think you're missing the point. John's a longtime poster here and has
>>made many, many great contributions to the group. He posted a message
>>about how nice it is to be back home. It doesn't have to be a debate.
>>
>>If you treat people with respect, your opinions might have a decent chance
>>of reaching someone. If not, then you're just another troll who gets
>>killfiled and ignored. Your choice.
>>
>>Matt

>
>
> So,
> Your pal JD's threatening to assault anyone who disagrees with him is ok?
>


It's not always how I might handle a disagreement (and your assessment
is over-simplified IMO) but he does run that risk of people not liking
what he says and killfiling him.
The big difference here is he's a big contributor to the group in terms
of quality on topic posts. That buys some leeway.

What have you contributed in terms of on-topic posts?

Matt
 
Craig Brossman wrote:
> How does it compare to Dog Fish Head 90 and 120 IPA's?


I've only ever found the 60 minute bottled... I had the 90 Minute at
the Boston Beer Festival ,when they tapped the second and las Keg,
several years ago and it was the best (hoppiest) ale I aver tasted, I
can only imagine a 120 Minute. The 60 minute is quite acceptible. (Sure
beats the cap out of Ballentine Ale -)


> Those are some tasty, strong beers.


Aye!
 

>> I'll keep going
> > out putting my life on the line to defend your rights to express your
> > opinions without fear of public execution for daring to express them.


Tom Carson wrote:
> This war has nothing to do with any of that.


Tell that to the people who were lined up against this wall by the
Taliban, in front of thier wives and children:
http://www.shavings.net/images/kuwait/the_wall.jpg

Ohh wait, you can't because they were murdered because they dared to
have a different point of view, and expressed it..... Is that the type
of world you want to live in?

Yes, I stood in that place and took that picture and I cried real
tears.... And it was then that I really felt and confirmed, why I was
there. I know I am doing my part to make this world a better place...
a place where sh!t like this will not be tolerated.


I hate to quote Ozzy, but he had it right when he wrote:
Millions of people living as foes
Maybe its not to late
To learn how to love
And forget how to hate


I'll drink to THAT.

--
JG, out.
 

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